Glock 18?


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Warren
June 26, 2004, 02:13 PM
So there I was at glock.com looking at their products and they have a Glock 17 with a FA selector switch that they call the G18.

Okay that's cool and all but what does one do with it?

Yeah, I know "have loads of fun" but I mean in a tactical situation. Firing FA from such a short weapon it seems like you would lose control.

Is there anything that firing it FA gives you that rapid pulling of the trigger does not?



Just curious, since I'm a Californian I'm considered not stable enough to own one, might start shooting up schools and all.

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Nick1911
June 26, 2004, 02:17 PM
Just curious, since I'm a Californian I'm considered not stable enough to own one, might start shooting up schools and all.

I don't think that there are any transferable ones in the US anyway...


Nick

chevrofreak
June 26, 2004, 05:30 PM
I believe there are one or two legally transferable ones, but they go for about $25,000

Nightcrawler
June 26, 2004, 05:38 PM
A well trained user, firing in short bursts, can really make the most out of a small machine pistol with a big magazine. Two or three rounds at 1500rpm (which I think is about the G18's cyclic rate) is faster than the fastest "controlled pair" you could manage.

However, it takes quite a bit of practice and effort to get good enough with such a gun to make it worthwhile.

Zak Smith
June 26, 2004, 06:05 PM
A friend of mine is a Class III dealer and FFL, and owns a 17C with the "18" selector. I've shot a few hundred rounds through this gun. It is surprisingly controllable.

Burts or full-auto dumps (30 rounds) can be kept on an IPSC target at 7 yards by anyone with some handgun experience. After a little practice with the FA Glock, an experienced pistol shooter should be able to keep them on at 15 or 25 yards pretty easily.

I heard someone say that some of the Pueblo CO police carry the 18.

-z

Hkmp5sd
June 26, 2004, 06:29 PM
Glock 17 converted to full auto (http://www.thegunzone.com/video/glock2.mpg)
Glock 18 (http://www.thegunzone.com/video/glock1.avi)

Warren
June 26, 2004, 06:49 PM
Cool.

Dionysusigma
June 26, 2004, 06:59 PM
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Courtesy of http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/

azrael
June 26, 2004, 09:57 PM
Glock= Legal to own

Conversion device=legal to own as long as you dont own a GLOCK!!lol

digitalpaladin10
June 26, 2004, 11:25 PM
Here is a G17 with full-auto switch.

Click Me (http://www.autoweapons.com/photosv/nglock18.html)

It's $1895, but for LEO's only.

JohnKSa
June 27, 2004, 12:00 AM
I have handled a G18C that is owned by a dealer in the Dallas area.

It's very hard on front night sights... ;)

carpettbaggerr
June 27, 2004, 02:00 AM
Okay that's cool and all but what does one do with it?
Break ambushes. Lay down suppressive fire. Defend yourself against lynchmobs.

E357
June 27, 2004, 03:32 AM
My buddy just picked up a front hand grip that attaches to the rail and to the bottom of the magazine. Easy shooting. It was actually made for the "airsoft" crowd as many of their Glock products are made better than the real Glock accessories (ie. the magazines).

I think his next "project" is a Beretta 93.

Elliot

CleverNickname
June 27, 2004, 11:50 AM
My buddy just picked up a front hand grip that attaches to the rail and to the bottom of the magazine.

FYI, legally putting a foregrip on a handgun requires registering it as an AOW.

wildehond
June 27, 2004, 11:50 AM
I think it is a great backup for HK MP5 for the CQ Combat assault teams. Small enough to carry easily and with enough punch to help you out in a very bad situation.

wildehond

wardog
June 27, 2004, 12:17 PM
I had a chance to fire one a couple of months ago. It had the little shoulder stock on it. It was an absolute blast to shoot and wasn't hard to control. It was a "C" model and I'm sure that helped. (17C with the 18 selector)

FSCJedi
June 27, 2004, 07:11 PM
Ok, so let me get this straight. If you are LEO, you can purchase a Glock 17C with the Glock 18 full-auto selector switch installed? I think this may be my first Glock purchase (ever) when I join the force. I'm assuming that it is cheaper than an actual G18, but why is this the case?

Is there any way to purchase one of these weapons with a Class III stamp if you are not LEO?

boofus
June 27, 2004, 07:27 PM
Individual officers can not purchase post 1986 machine guns, but their department or agency can. It gets transfered to the dept and they retain ownership of it. I've heard of some places giving LE only duty weapons to officers on retirement, just depends on the dept and whoever is in charge.

Zach S
June 27, 2004, 09:21 PM
Is there any way to purchase one of these weapons with a Class III stamp if you are not LEO? Become a class III dealer, get a dealer sample. I think you have to have a letter from a LEA to get a post-86 MG, cant say for sure. Also, when the shop no longer operates, it has to be transfered to another dealer or something because you cant keep it.

I'm not sure on any of this, maybe a CIII dealer or someone with a title II collection whos more familiar with the BS involved can confirm/correct what I said...

megatronrules
June 27, 2004, 10:34 PM
What if I were to just get a class II manufactuers permit and simply install a Glock 18 selector switch in a glock 17 then just register the gun that would be my gun and non transfeable like a dealer sample woulden't this be legal to do?

azrael
June 27, 2004, 10:42 PM
Megatron,
I asked that same question about 6 months ago...The answer was...It is illegal to make a class III weapon for personal use...or something like that...

I simply wanted to make a Sten MKIII "Demill" into a working weapon..Wanted to do it legal though...Before I was the best looking holster maker from NC, I was a machinist by trade..So I figured why pay someone 2000.00 for a weapon that took an hour to fix?? BUT.. alas, it was not meant to be :(

pauli
June 27, 2004, 10:58 PM
Before I was the best looking holster maker from NC,

i'm shuddering at the thought of your competition... :uhoh:

azrael
June 27, 2004, 11:20 PM
ooppsss....Forgot to put the obligatory (thats from Staley..lol) thingy in the middle of that....

Lighten up guy..Its all good:neener:

Lone_Gunman
June 27, 2004, 11:52 PM
I've heard of some places giving LE only duty weapons to officers on retirement, just depends on the dept and whoever is in charge.

And more importantly, it depends on whether they want to comply with the law. It is my understanding that retired LEOs dont even get to keep their full capacity mags.

Hkmp5sd
June 28, 2004, 06:25 PM
The LEO retirement option deals only with Title I weapons and specifically with semi-automatic assault weapons and high capacity ammunition feeding devices. Machineguns are not included. If the agency wishes, a retiring LEO may keep his post-ban AW and "LEO ONLY" magazines.

What if I were to just get a class II manufactuers permit and simply install a Glock 18 selector switch in a glock 17 then just register the gun that would be my gun and non transfeable like a dealer sample woulden't this be legal to do?
The only way you are going to get a manufacturers SOT is to open a legitimate manufacturing shop with all applicable licenses and other business requirements. If you did go this route and manufactured a Glock 18 as a dealer sample and then closed your shop, you cannot keep the Glock 18. Only pre-86 dealer samples can be kept by the licensee after giving up his license.

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