[molonlabe]

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico complained on Saturday that U.S. authorities allow Mexican drug gangs to buy arms in the United States "as if they were candy" due to lax controls of gun sales in border states.
The Mexican attorney general's office said Mexican gangs make drug runs into the United States in light aircraft and return loaded up with weapons.

"Unfortunately, the United States does not have adequate control of guns shops in the border area and they sell arms as if they were candy," senior prosecutor Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos told a news conference.

He said the attorney general's office is working with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives against arms trafficking.

Mexico is particularly concerned about arms like the Barrett .50 caliber rifle. he said. The semi-automatic weapon, dubbed "The Widowmaker," can penetrate armored vehicles and aircraft.

"The big problem is that this type of weapon does not have adequate control in the United States. The trafficking of arms from the United States to Mexico unfortunately costs a lot of lives," said Vasconcelos, head of the organized crime unit.

A Barrett .50 caliber was among a number of assault weapons seized in a raid that captured the alleged main hit man of the infamous Arellano Felix drug gang in the border city of Tijuana on Thursday.

The suspect, Mario Alberto Rivera, was wanted for the murder of a journalist in the city who campaigned against the drug cartels, which smuggle marijuana, cocaine and other narcotics across the border into the United States.

© Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved.

[armoredman]

Balls. There are NO gunshops in the couple of border towns in AZ that I have seen. As for our gun laws being thier problem, balls. The Mex military makes illegal incursions supporting drug and alien smuggling every day, and sometimes will fire on Border Patrol. This is a simple attempt to influence our laws due to thier own incompetance and corruption. Also, disarmed Arizonans, New Mexicans and Texans cannot defend themselves from border crossers, drug lords, and Mexican military invasions.
C'mon, thier gun control works so well, why do the Chiapas rebels have full auto AKs? This is total garbage designed to disarm those of us who whould stem thier tide.

[rick_reno]

This article is worrisome - especially given the close relationship that King George and his soul mate, President Fox, seem to enjoy. But no, I seem to have forgotten King George is a rock solid supporter of the 2nd Amendment and given he's the current poster boy of the RKBA movement. Nothing to worry about here...

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

:what: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

The audacity to claim that the US does not have adequate border security because DRUG DEALERS and GANGS come to the US, sell their booty and buy GUNS and return to Mexico. It is OUR fault that their criminals come here and buy guns. I just love this. I mean, really. :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

[Rebar]

The fact that the former Soviet Union dumped millions of AK-47s into Central America has nothing to do with this, I assume?

And exactly how many "widows" did the Barretts make I wonder? I'm thinking it's like the famous "cop-killer" bullets, for which there's not one documented case of them killing or injuring any police.

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

This article is worrisome - especially given the close relationship that King George and his soul mate, President Fox, seem to enjoy. But no, I seem to have forgotten King George is a rock solid supporter of the 2nd Amendment and given he's the current poster boy of the RKBA movement. Nothing to worry about here...

Get ready for a steady stream of news reports over the coming years of a low-level slaughter of American motorists. The killing will be by Mexican truckers driving unsafe rigs all accross the US, courtesy of George W. Bush.

Expect Bush's abject sellout to the Mexicans to eventually include a push to allow Mexican trucking firms to haul loads point-to-point within the US.

Bush's sellouts to the Mexicans has come to represent a clear danger to America's national security which, in my opinion, substantially undoes any progress made on the War on Terror.

The craven way in which Bush toadies to the El-Presidente of a third-world piss hole like Mexico is genuinely disgusting.

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

Mexico is particularly concerned about arms like the Barrett .50 caliber rifle. he said. The semi-automatic weapon, dubbed "The Widowmaker," can penetrate armored vehicles and aircraft.


"Widowmaker"

I've never heard the Barrett called that. Sounds like more propaganda dreamed up by the writers at Reuters and thier fellow hard-line extremists in the gun confiscation movement.

Reuters has to be one of the most relentlessly fraudulent, hard-left propaganda mills that I have ever seen. Their reporters all seem to be people who usually write for the pro-communist screed "The Nation."

[fix]

Get ready for a steady stream of news reports over the coming years of a low-level slaughter of American motorists. The killing will be by Mexican truckers driving unsafe rigs all accross the US, courtesy of George W. Bush.

Yep. That, and a few truck bombs driven by Arab truckers. Now here's an issue we can all share frustration on. The Repubicans aren't doing anything about it. The Democrats think it's just dandy. The Libertarians think the policy is too restrictive. We REALLY don't have anywhere to turn for help on border security. That kind of helpless feeling is what leads to armed rebellion folks.

Bush - :banghead:

Kerry - :cuss:

Nader - :scrutiny:

Peroutka - :rolleyes:

Baradnik - :what:

[Antlurz]

Seems like maybe the solution would be to shoot the offending smugglers airplanes from the skies at every opportunity?

maybe not, but is sounds like fun, anyhow.

Ron

[Norton]

Well, if those .50 Barrett's are so effective at shooting down aircraft:rolleyes: , then let's use them to shoot down some drug runners' planes.....I'd volunteer.

Widowmaker......hmmm, I must have missed that pamphlet while I was at the Barrett booth at the NRA Meeting;)

[grislyatoms]

My suggestion to Vicente Fox is to post Mexican Army and Federales on THEIR side of the border to interdict the drugs before they can cross.

No drugs = no sales = no money = no guns

Why is it always our bloody responsibility?

If they REALLY don't like it, close the damn border!

"The trafficking of arms from the United States to Mexico unfortunately costs a lot of lives," said Vasconcelos, head of the organized crime unit.

"The trafficking of drugs from Mexico to the United States unfortunately costs a lot of lives," said grislyatoms, head of his own household.

The hell with Vicente Fox.

[armoredman]

No nation ever defended itself to victory - invade.

[Waitone]

I smell a UN Small Arms conference press release.

Its got all the elements; international trafficing, the evil .50 cal rifle, attacks on civilians, US is the cause of Mexico's woes, and gun running.

I hope Bush eventually gets bored with Fox tongue his ear and starts playing tough with the goober.

Propaganda. not legitimate news. . . . .Reuters? That explains it.

[fix]

I hope Bush eventually gets bored with Fox tongue his ear and starts playing tough with the goober.

:scrutiny:

[grislyatoms]

I only hope that if it comes to yet another small arms conference, the U.S. will tell them to stuff it.

If I remember correctly, this same thing happened in 2000 and the Bush administration DID tell the U.N. to stuff it.

[Hawkmoon]

The Mex military makes illegal incursions supporting drug and alien smuggling every day, and sometimes will fire on Border Patrol. This is a simple attempt to influence our laws due to thier own incompetance and corruption. Also, disarmed Arizonans, New Mexicans and Texans cannot defend themselves from border crossers, drug lords, and Mexican military invasions.
That's a big part of it. They want to reduce their risk when they violate our border. I do, however, agree with them that our border is too porous. I think we should patrol with regular Army units and Air Force flights.

As to the comment that there are no gun shops in the towns near the border: define "near." Remember, this is Mexico talking. They think the border is up by the great lakes and everything south of that is Mexico anyway. Sadly, events seem to be proving them right.

[Standing Wolf]

Maybe it's time to finish the Mexican War.

[WilderBill]

Hey, speaking of the Barret .50, wouldn't one them do something nasty to one of those water tanks in the dessert?
Just a random thought about reducing traffic across the border. :evil: :neener:

[YammyMonkey]

Whaddya think they'd say if we put up two 20' fences topped with consentina (sp?) wire with a 20' deep trench between the two bottom filled with more of the fun wire? Wouldn't stop the aircraft, but it would probably slow down the on-foot trafficing of drugs, guns and illegals.

Oh wait, that's not PC, nevermind:fire:

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

concertina

[ahenry]

Whaddya think they'd say if we put up two 20' fences topped with consentina (sp?) wire with a 20' deep trench between the two bottom filled with more of the fun wire? Wouldn't stop the aircraft, but it would probably slow down the on-foot trafficing of drugs, guns and illegals. Fences don’t stop them; they go through. Walls don’t stop them; they go under. Rivers (moats) don’t stop them; they swim across. Vast deserts and high mountains don’t stop them; they walk on even after members of their group die from the weather and terrain. There is only one way to stop them; eliminate the carrot that the United States unknowingly dangles. Couple that with effective punishment for each and every illegal crossing and illegal immigration can be brought under control. If one is done without the other, watch us fight this battle for generations to come.

[Langenator]

Seems like maybe the solution would be to shoot the offending smugglers airplanes from the skies at every opportunity?

I think this would be a great idea-and you could even justify it on national security/anti-terrorism grounds. I'm reasonably sure that drug smuggling aircraft don't file or follow proper flight plans, and we have the right to intercept and if necessary shoot down any unidentified/unauthorized aircraft entering our airspace.

And exactly how are these druggie supposedly buying guns from FFL gun dealers?

[sturmruger]

This makes me so mad I could just SPIT!! That takes a lot of nerve to say that our borders are too open and that these damn smugglers are our fault!!

[Firethorn]

Yeah, terrain doesn't stop them.

But if you put a moat before a wall, then landmine the area behind the wall.

While I might be a libertarian, my entry requirements mean you should be legal. It should be easy to enter legally, but minimal security checks should still be done.

[Waitone]

Ahenry has it right. Illegal immigration, excuse me criminal immigration, will end when we stop providing incentive to break the law.

I favor draconian law pointed directly and personally at employers who hire criminal immigrants. All welfare benefits must stop, period.

Third step will be controversial. The US needs to destabilize the Mexican government. It is clear Mexico is a narco republic. They want to play in that game? The penalty is destruction of the government.

Meanwhile, the US federales need to get busy with a reasonable work permit program. Trouble is the president would have to convince that a work permit program would not lead to amnesty. He has already done something really unsanitary to his messkit so I doubt his credibility would be bought by a lot of Americans.

[Kharn]

So are they willing to go half-ses on a large supply of land mines and buying a half-mile wide strip of land from the Pacific to the Gulf?

If not, they need to shut their pie-holes.

Kharn

[Jay Kominek]

The Mex military makes illegal incursions supporting drug and alien smuggling every day, and sometimes will fire on Border Patrol.
Is there anywhere one can read up on this?

[Langenator]

Meanwhile, the US federales need to get busy with a reasonable work permit program. Trouble is the president would have to convince that a work permit program would not lead to amnesty.

Here's how you do it: Work visas must be obtained at a U.S. consulate or embassy in the workers' home country, subject to the usual background check, security screening, whatever they do. I won't pretend to know what one has to do to get an entry visa of any sort.

Here's the catch: nobody currently in this country illegally is eligible for a visa. The reason is simple: we don't give entry visa of any sort to criminals, and these people are committing a crime. Easy enough.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

I keep looking at the title "porous boarders" and I think is may be a psychobabble slip :uhoh: Ahoy Mate

[R.H. Lee]

I keep looking at the title "porous boarders" and I think is may be a psychobabble slip

If you rented a room to Sponge Bob Square Pants, you would have a "porous boarder".

Mexico can resolve the problem after it annexes the Southwest U.S. (Aztlan). They are well on their way via occupation without a shot being fired.

[molonlabe]

Heres some I found
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39fab4e86461.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26852
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&story_id=021404a1_incursions
http://www.ranchrescue.com/maupin.htm

Of course don't beleive everything you read on te internet but this is a start.

[moa]

"Unfortunately, the United States does not have adequate control of guns shops in the border area and they sell arms as if they were candy," senior prosecutor Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos told a news conference.

Similar remarks were in the June 28th Washington Post article devoted to huge demonstrations Sunday in Mexico city. Hundreds of thousands of residents of Mexico City demonstrated against the rampant lawlessness of Mexico City.

Title of the article is: "Thousands in Mexico City Protest Rampant Kidnappings, Violence."

In some instances the Police are too incompentent to control the streets, or they are in league with the criminals, or are the criminals themselves.

Mexican officials are trying to deflect blame for the awful security conditions of their capital with a population of 20 million.

[jefnvk]

My simple reply: The dug runners are coming into America, dumping their drugs, and returning to Mexico with guns. Why doesn't the Mexican border patrol stop them from returning, if we are the problem?

[joe sixpack]

RileyMc:
Mexico can resolve the problem after it annexes the Southwest U.S. (Aztlan). They are well on their way via occupation without a shot being fired.
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Unfortunately, that is what it is coming to.
There have already been several amnestys. "Latino activists" are fighting
to ensure that illegals can continue to come into this country, and not only
that but get drivers licenses et al. Whenever guys start doing something (witness recent sweeps conducted by the San Diego Border Patrol) that gets squelched. Most of our congress people do not want to alienate a huge voter base (with the likelyhood of it getting much larger with amnesties etc) and basically ignore the situation as not enough people
are in their reps faces all the time except latino activists and their supporters.
The right enjoy the "low cost employees" (we fund their accidents
and illnesses with workers comp and free medical). And the left want
to hand your money out to whoever is the poorest, most deprived
and bleeding whether they legally immigrated or not.

We have large problems in California due to our porous borders and illegal
immigration. Many citizens leave, more and more illegals arrive, drivers
licenses are granted, another amnesty issued. Hey, guess what? Your
voter base has been overwhelmed and you are the minority.

I believe it has become politikally uncorrect to say something about it
and protest the tide of illegal immigration. And no doubt there are many
who would see this post as "racist' though it is not, nor am I.
For those who would cry "racism", it is through that label they apply
to discourage anyone who sees this as wrong and to keep them from doing something.

But then, I could be wrong.

Maybe those who have concern here with this whether they live in Michigan
or Maine, can become involved. Just because you don't live in the same
place as where it is going on, doesn't mean you should not do something
about it.
Links at bottom

cheers, ab

ps: MALDEF's (Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Foundation) co-founder Mario Obledo said in June 1998 "California is going to be a Hispanic state an anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go
back to Europe."


http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/CannonWatch.html
http://www.illegalaliens.us/
http://www.dslextreame.com/users/surferslim/text1.html

[armoredman]

Invade, end it. Iraquify Mexico. Lots of oil and natural gas there, too...

[Harve Curry]

Mexico is just jealous of the United States. They are to embarrassed and can't admit that they cannot provide for their own people, that a illegal immigrant can do better in the USA as an outlaw then where they were born. So they come up with these silly ass excuses to put blame on the USA. Yes I know there's plenty of corrupt US goverment dudes at all levels. But that doesn't lessen the fact that the Mexican goverment cannot not even learn from a successful example just north of them how to run a country.
They always side on the wrongside during any war. WWI and WWII the dumbasses sided with Germany.
Now where are they when we need some of them in Iraq or Afganistan to fight terrorism. Oh wait I have'nt heard of any jihad terrorist in Old Mexico. Maybe there's a news blackout.
Mexico has everything the upper part of North America has, they just are so corrupt they can't do anything right with it generation after generation.

[wingman]

Mexico is as much or more of a threat then Iraq, only difference is it is more
long term action. The mexican government has no shame in "dumping"
it's poor on the American taxpayer and the rich in this country is using
the same poor for there benefit. Uncontrolled immigration is and will be
the biggest threat to American freedom in the coming years, why, because
we no longer live in the 1800's when a family could enter, farm, raise 6
kids and not be a burden on society, we cannot provide for the world it
is impossible while we can help in areas we must remember if we fail
like much of the world would like to see, then many more will starve.

If anyone believes Mexico is a good neighbor come live in the southwest
for a couple years I believe you would change your mind.