Handled some .22's, need opinions


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Moparmike
June 27, 2004, 09:54 PM
Ok, I went gun shopping with my mom (who finally got scared enough one night to take my advice) where we started looking at target .22's (as well as an ugly, beat-up, but functioning .357mag*). I started feeling how they felt, and to be honest, the Mark II steel frame didn't float my boat, and was very heavy (target barrel). The polymer frame felt better but top heavy, but then I felt the Walther P22. WOW. I will want to handle it again before I am absolutely sure, but I think I like it.

So, if and when I get some cash to pick one of these up, which should I get? Please give your opinions on all of them. Thanks!


*Starting out on .38's

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Shmackey
June 27, 2004, 10:08 PM
So, if and when I get some cash to pick one of these up, which should I get?

Probably neither. That Ruger is pretty heavy, and it doesn't get any lighter after shooting a few boxes. I had one that was a tackdriver and utterly reliable, but I couldn't get used to the balance.

The Walther is cute and good for small hands, but the DA pull is an abomination, it's not all that accurate, and it has a well-deserved reputation for unreliability. You might get a winner, but I wouldn't count on it.

If your mom's never shot before, a .22 revolver would be good. Alternatively, a better-balanced Ruger (there are at least a dozen models), a Buckmark, a good old Colt, a Trailside with the new magazines... Lots out there.

tc300mag1
June 27, 2004, 10:21 PM
I myself like the heavy barrel mark II in 5.5 length just seems 5.5 is good for me love my vaquero in 5.5 too

JimJD
June 27, 2004, 10:44 PM
If it has to be a semi-auto, also check out the four inch barrel version of the Beretta Neos. It might do the trick. I do have to mention though... My sisters had some difficulty racking the slide on My Neos.
Shmackey mentioned a revolver. That sounds good to Me. How about one in .22 Mag?

JCM298
June 27, 2004, 11:06 PM
Try a Browning Buckmark, if you can. I had a Ruger and it was a good gun but a real pain to field strip. I traded it for a Buckmark 15-20 years ago and I'm very satisfied with it,

John

Nick1911
June 28, 2004, 12:55 AM
I've been very happy with the Buckmark. Try to check one out sometime, they are really well made.

Nick

Longbow
June 28, 2004, 01:08 AM
I second the revolver recommendation. .22 cal rimfires are not known for reliable ignition. At least with a double action wheel gun, in an event of failure to fire, it'll give you a fresh round each pull of the trigger. Semi-auto's can be hard to clear in such a mishap. I think Taurus and S&W makes a 9 rounder wheel gun in .22 cal.

P.S.
Used S&W model 10's are plentiful and can be had (usually) for less $$ than a new .22 cal. ;)

Josey
June 28, 2004, 02:17 AM
I tried the Walther, SKIP IT! I have had three Ruger MKIIs. I suggest the Browning. Utterly relieble and easy to clean.

sm
June 28, 2004, 01:59 PM
Mike,
What is this gun going to be used for?

I have to ask why you typed "target" .22 pistol?

I was taught to shoot with a .22 revolver, without sights , then transitioned to fixed sights. Trigger control using Double action only, coupled with target aquistion.

IF one could find an affordable DA Revolver like the OLD Smith Kit gun, or the K frame size -Model 18 - that is the best gun to learn on - IMO. These skills will translate to any other platform down the road.

Semi's...

Bone stock simple used Ruger MKI , no the bolt will not stay back, who cares? The used Ruger MKII - and I mean the plain jane simple basic fixed sighted model. Other choices are the basic Buckmarks. I actually prefer the Buckmarks for the triggers out of the box.

IF you knew how many folks with physical problems, arthritis, ...etc use a 22 REVO for home protection you would be surprised. The blue might be bad, but mechanically sound, and they can hit what looking at.

Same for the basic semis - Colt Woodman, HighStandard , You find a High Standard Duramatic, buy it!! It ain't pretty, but the damn thing works and is uncanny accurate. My ex has mine...I found one for an elderly lady with the blue worn from a sock drawer $90...I really wanted it myself...she needed it more.

Forget the target gun, forget bling bling...

See these folks learned to shoot first, continued to practice with .22 even tho' they had centerfire handguns. Age, arthritis, losing a hand,arm or somesuch...they pulled out the old .22. Granted not the first choice for HD...but the basic skills were still there...shot placement is always the key.

The Undertoad
June 28, 2004, 03:58 PM
I shot a THR member's Browning Buckmark a few months ago and was left with a very, very favorable impression. :)

I love my P22 but haven't yet found an ammo with enough reliability that I'd be comfortable using it for defense. That said, it's a perfect size, very cute, and fits in the hand quite nicely. The DA trigger SUCKS, and is heavy, so I just usually just cock the hammer with my thumb at the range. :)

DougCxx
June 28, 2004, 04:04 PM
I agree: the Walther looks just awesome, but its functioning leaves quite a lot to be desired. It certainly isn't James Bond's Walther anymore.
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If this is supposed to be a self-defense gun, I would pick a 22WMR revolver with a 4- to 6-inch barrel. People who do not practice regularly usually can't aim snubbies well, and revolvers are far more reliable than autos and revolvers are much easier to use as well (just pull the trigger). The lower shot capacity is not usually an issue in use.

The problem you face when you agree to help someone who doesn't shoot regularly buy a gun (especially a defensive gun) is that you can be fairly sure that they aren't going to practice with it much, and they may not practice with it at all beyond what you push them through immediately after the purchase.
So for these situations, simplicity-of-operation wins.
Revolvers win.
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Barry in IN
June 28, 2004, 05:37 PM
First, I'd recommend something bigger than a .22, but I understand that you gotta do what you gotta do.

Usually, a revolver is the best bet for beginners. But, there's a reason or two that they are good for anyone else, too. Primarily reliabilty- a small .22 revolver will usually be more reliable than a small .22 semi-auto. The swinging hammer gives a harder hit to the rim, which can be crucial with getting some ammo to work all the time.

The bad thing is, double-action .22 revolvers are harder to find than .22 autos. There are several decent single-action .22 revolvers, but since your already handicapped with a .22, don't make it harder.

Also, I usually suggest a stainless steel gun for someone who may not be "into" this gun thing. If it lays in the sock drawer for the rest of it's life, it shouldn't be all rusted up the next time it sees the light of day.

The S&W model 63 comes to mind first. It's a J-frame (small frame), six-shot, stainless steel revolver with adjustable sights. I really don't know if it's still being made.
The S&W 617 is nice, but quite a bit bigger, if that makes a difference. If it doesn't, they make at least one variation of the 617 with a ten-shot cylinder.

Ruger makes the SP101 in .22 also. It's like the S&W 63, but a little bigger, and the rear sight is adjustable for windage only.

Beyond that, be careful. There is a lot of junk in the .22 revolver world.

If you are set on an auto, stainless steel may not be an option, except for the Ruger. The Ruger has a great reputation. I've had three, and shot one a LOT. Ruger is either changing it, or adding another variation, so you might want to see that before you decide.

Ditto what was said about the Walther P22. See the Walther section of www.rimfirecentral.com for some reports. It's neat looking, and feels good. I had one briefly, but traded it for something else I wanted, before shooting it.

The one and only small .22 auto pistol that I can recommend is the Beretta 21A. Neat gun. I bought one when I lived in an area with no carry provision. I suddenly found the need for a really small pistol.
Anyway, the Beretta 21A I have has over 5000 rounds through it. I know this for a fact because I bought a 5000 round case of Remington std velocity ammo, and used it all in that gun. It's had a lot of other shooting too. I used to belong to a club with it's own indoor range, and got off work at 4:30AM at the time. Not much else to do that time of day except shoot.
Although the finish is mostly gone, it still works great.
I don't know if they make it in stainless yet, but they make the .32 version in stainless, so they might now.

Moparmike
June 28, 2004, 07:02 PM
This is just to practice with, get rid of some bad habits and a bad flinch (that came with starting on a 10mm:eek: ), and to teach my mom some skills.

She got a .357mag revo and a little .22 pocket pistol, and I am starting her out on the lightest .38's I could find. She actually likes the .38's more than the .22, the .22 has more percieved recoil and snap. I am unaware of the brand of the .22, but the revo is an old Taurus. Looks like hell, but I hear it shoots well. I would like to try it myself this weekend.

Drakejake
June 28, 2004, 07:30 PM
Smith and Wesson stainless 2206 with fully adjustable sights and six inch barrel. Often available used on sites such as AuctionArms and Gunbroker.com for about $250-300. Excellent trigger, accurate, comfortable grip, good-looking. Can take sights. I have two.

Drakejake

Penforhire
June 28, 2004, 08:02 PM
I didn't like the Ruger MkII's stock grips (with so much weight) but a big soft aftermarket handle with a mini wrist-rest area sure fixed that!

ceestand
June 28, 2004, 10:19 PM
I was sure that S&W and Taurus still made .22lr revolvers. That would be my choice.

I have a walther P22, which I would describe as an okay gun. The DA pull, IMO, isn't as bad as people say it is. Reliability is not great, I often have annoying failures-to-feed. I am trying to find an ammunition it likes.

If the "flaming handbasket" is NY, I'll sell you my P22.

phantom309
June 28, 2004, 10:25 PM
I have a standard Mark II with the tapered barrel. It's a wonderful pistol to shoot, cheap, incredibly cool looking and not too heavy. I got some synthetic ivory thumbrest grips for it, very comfortable and look great. Accuracy is such that it'll take many years before I can begin to outshoot it. No matter what else I bring, it gets at least 200 rounds every trip to the range.

If I had to do it all again I'd also seriously consider a Sig Trailside.

RDY357
June 28, 2004, 11:34 PM
Stay away from it.
I bought one for my boy and it is a pain in the a&* on that first pull in d/a.
I grew up with a ruger revolver. Spend the money and get a good one.
My dad still owns that one and it has has probably a million rounds out of it.
Still works great.
I want that gun some day.

Master Blaster
June 30, 2004, 11:27 AM
I have a taurus model 94 revolver with a 4" barrel, I have put many thousands of rounds through it and its my favorite for newbe shooters.

It holds 9 rounds of .22lr has good adjustible sights, and is a little larger than a j-frame smith but smaller than a k-frame.

Its very accurate and reliable and it has a great DA and excellen sa trigger pull.

I paid $250 nib about 5 years ago for it. I would highly recommend it to anyone.

It would be a great companion to your moms 357 taurus revolver.

Thrash1982
June 30, 2004, 01:29 PM
If you decide on the Browning Buckmark be sure to locktite the top two screws in with some blue locktite. They sometimes have a tendancy to come loose causing the gun to stop working. Some locktite will fix this problem right up and you should have an extremely reliable gun.

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