[Drizzt]

Smith & Wesson Introduces New .50 Caliber Magnum Revolver; Most Powerful Production Revolver Ever Made
SWB


SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Feb 13, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- The legendary 150-year-old handgun maker, Smith & Wesson Corp., a subsidiary of Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation ( AMEX:SWB) today introduced the largest and most powerful production revolver ever made along with eight other new products at the 2003 Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade (SHOT) Show in Orlando, Florida.

The new 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum(R) revolver is chambered for the new .50 caliber 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum(R) cartridge.

"The 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum is a natural progression of our leadership role in handgun development," said Roy Cuny, president and CEO of Smith & Wesson Corp. "Smith & Wesson has a strong customer contingency of hunting and shooting enthusiasts that are continually looking to us for innovation. We produced the original Magnum(R) revolver with the introduction of the .357 Magnum in 1935 and 20 years later amazed the shooting world with the .44 Magnum. Now in 2003, we have once again produced a premier hunting revolver with no equal."

The newly introduced 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum cartridge produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum round, which far exceeds all other handgun cartridges.

Based on orders to date from Smith & Wesson dealers, production on the new .50 caliber revolver has been increased. "The demand has far surpassed our original expectations," said Cuny.

Industry Response

Recently editors and writers from the firearm industry and outdoor publications previewed the new 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum revolver and the 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum cartridge at the Smith & Wesson state-of-the-art manufacturing facility in Springfield, Massachusetts. "I have no doubt that within a year our members will have used this new Smith & Wesson revolver and cartridge in Africa on the world's most dangerous game", said Steve Comus, director of publications for Safari Club International.

"This firearm offers the confidence required when hunting the world's most challenging animals with a handgun," Comus concludes.

"The new Smith & Wesson Corporation has proved its capabilities, not only with the introduction of the 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum(R) revolver, but with the extensive line of products it is bringing to market in 2003," said Roy Huntington, editor of AMERICAN HANDGUNNER. "The Company, under its new leadership, has made a commitment to its core products - and to its customers."

Russ Thurman, editor of SHOOTING INDUSTRY, an industry trade publication stated, "It is exciting to see so many new products come from one manufacturer in one year. I believe dealers and consumers will find this line- up of products quite interesting."

More New Products

Smith & Wesson will also be launching the most extensive introduction of new products seen in over a decade at the 2003 SHOT Show in Orlando, Florida, February 13-16, 2003. In addition to the 500 Magnum press, dealers and distributors will see the latest in the Scandium Series revolvers, the SW1911, new rimfire revolvers and new SW99 pistols. For more information, visit the Smith & Wesson website at http://www.smith-wesson.com.

About Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation

Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation is the parent company of Smith & Wesson Corp., one of the world's leading producers of quality handguns, law enforcement products and firearm safety and security products. Law enforcement personnel, military personnel, target shooters, hunters, collectors and firearms enthusiasts throughout the world have used the Company's products with confidence for 150 years. Smith & Wesson Corp. also manufacturers and markets Smith & Wesson branded handcuffs and other products utilizing its metal working expertise. For more information, visit http://www.smithandwesson.com

Safe Harbor Statement

Statements in this press release about the company's future expectations, including: success of the 500 revolver and all other statements in this release, other than historical facts, are "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, section 21E of the Securities Act of 1934, as that term is defined in the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. It is important to note that actual results and ultimate corporate actions could differ materially from those in such forward-looking statements based on such factors as softening of consumer demand based on national or political events or based on consumers' personal satisfaction or desire for our products for a variety of reasons (style, quality, etc.); or the inability to leverage the name "Smith & Wesson" in the licensing categories selected by management to pursue; or a perceived or actual decline in the quality of products produced, among other factors. Such "forward-looking statements" are subject to risks and uncertainties set forth from time to time in the Company's SEC reports, including the report on Form 10-KSB for the year ended April 30, 2002 and Forms 10-QSB for the quarters ending July 31, 2002 and October 31, 2002.

http://highmarkfunds.stockpoint.com/highmarkfunds/newspaper.asp?Mode=manufacturing&Story=20030213/044b0969.xml

[Arcli9ht]

Sounds like fun, but how dead does dead need to get? Isn't this overkill? Maybe not if you want to hunt cape buffalo with a hangun :D

/Arcli9ht

My wrist hurts just thinking about this. :p

[Skunkabilly]

"Being as this is a model 50-063603660661852874398157089457324567926345, the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow your head clean off, you could ask yourself a question....do you feel lucky? Well...do ya....punk?" :D

[Monte Harrison]

http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/images/standard/170231.jpg Day-um!
Smith sure does have some bizarre looking guns these days
http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/images/standard/170226.jpg

[Ikari]

:what: :what: :what:

I just wanna fire one shot, just to say I did.

[WonderNine]

Smith sure does have some bizarre looking guns these days

I agree. It's like all the guns coming out nowadays are as weird as all the guns that were being produced in the late 1800's early 1900's.

So they're coming out with a new .45 ACP revolver, but no 9mm????

[CZ-75]

Buy a 547 if you want a 9mm.

[Kahr carrier]

That 45 snubbie is sharp.:)

[Mark D]

I want to neck-down the 50 cartridge so it shoots 44 slugs. Now that, would be sumthin.

[Baba Louie]

Too bad they don't have a "Pre-Agreement" version.

Woof.

I've said it before and I'll say it now...I really think that maybe I could sorta be talked into, you know, breaking my vow, that I'd never own a new, you know its really not a necessity or anything, but like Tamara said earlier...

Its kinda neat and it being the 150th year of S&W (come on Mike, I mean 150 sesqui whatever).

I want one.

Adios

[Blackhawk]

Does the forepiece also fold down to a bipid? :rolleyes:

[Jim March]

Ahhh...no, necking it down to 44 wouldn't be "something". You'd drop the case volume, raise the pressure, beat the holy snot out of the forcing cone and as a bonus, the rounds would jump backwards as the shoulders expand enough to tie the gun up.

No thanks. Hi-pressure bottleneck rounds in a revolver are bad mojo.

[Marshall]

This dude is new to me also?

:what:

.17HMR Varmiter 12" Fluted
http://www.smith-wesson.com/products/firearms/pc/images/170229_lrg.jpg

[redneck]

2 thoughts
If you can put a sling on it. Its no longer considered a handgun. Handcannon, hand rifle, carpal tunnel enducer, yes. Handgun no.


The barrel should not be shorter than the cylinder. It looks dumb.

The only thing they have there that catches my interest is the ironwood in the grips. I'd like a couple blocks of it :)



Also, how does the new 50 magnum compare to 45/70? Magnum research's BFR , while being incredibly huge doesn't look nearly as goofy as that thing. 3 times the muzzle energy of .44mag, how much is that? More than you need in a sidearm if you ask me. Thats what rifles are for ;)

[Pendragon]

redneck:

That would be the ideal handgun for scouting around parts of Alaska. Some of the bears up there are immense - they are actual monsters and you cant always carry a rifle.

Also - because of the larger bore, you can have a much more effective hunting cartridge without insane pressures or recoil.

You also have headroom so if you did want to hunt you a baby brontosaur, you got the performance.

I am thinking it could be an excellent silhouette gun as well.

I want one :)

[Pendragon]

The 1" bbl on the snubbie is stupid however. Barrel length is not a major problem in revolver CCW...

[RNS]

Fox news just talked about it briefly. Said the anti's were afraid it would used against the police.

[Jim March]

Oh GOD. Which news/media was that?

Between the wild cost, the psycho recoil, the impossibility of concealed carry and brutal ammo prices, this is NOT a "crime gun to be".

:rolleyes:

I don't think ANY handcannon-class has been used in a crime that I've heard about? Not street crime anyways...domestic violence or something is conceivable...

[Standing Wolf]

I'll wait a year or two and buy one used: I don't do business with companies that practice anti-Second Amendment bigotry.

[MitchSchaft]

If it's recoil is anything like the .454 Casull :what:. No thanks!

[redneck]

Pendragon
Unless physics suddenly changed there IS going to be insane recoil.It has nothing to do with the diameter of the bore. Energy is energy. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If your going to push ANY projectile fast enough to have 3X the muzzle energy of a .44mag, your going to have BIG TIME RECOIL. It takes the same amount of push to move something twice as heavy half as fast.

As far as alaska....if your scouting in bear country, you can carry a rifle. People do it all the time. Slinging that tire iron over your shoulder aint any more convenient.

If you want one thats fine, more power to ya. You can get one in 600 nitro if you want. I'll pass though.

[TheeBadOne]

I admit I like big boomers and may keep my eye out for one of these in the near future. I expect to pick it up like my SRH .454, used :D

[YodaVader]

This was posted at the S&W forum. Kind of reminds of some of the Dan Wesson Super Mag revolvers.

[Lightsped]

What model is that 45 ACP snubbie? Is it in production now? How much is it going for?

[Trisha]

Yes, yes! YES!!!

When the .50 comes out in their 'stealth gray' finish, I want it!

...aaaah....!

[RTW]

Does anyone know what S&W wants for that ugly beast?

I think that they could sell some if they are only a couple of hundred bucks more than a Ruger SRH, but I can't see a whole lot of people buying them if the price gets into Freedom Arms territory.

From what I have seen of S & W's latest products, Freedom Arms has nothing to fear from them in the QC department.

That thing is uglier than Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton combined.

[Rickstir]

I don't think its a sling. I think you put your foot on it when you pull the trigger :D

[Chaz]

An excerpt from the article on this from my local newspaper:

It boggles the mind," said Tom Ortiz, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. He predicted the new Magnum would create "a new order of threat to law enforcement."

The darn thing isn't even on the market yet and cops are being mowed down in the street. :cuss:

The whole article is found here:
http://news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Noteworthy/newsNOT5021403.htm

I would love to see that thing fired at night!:what:

[CZ-75]

They want around $950 for it.

[gun-fucious]

heres the ammo:
http://www.cor-bon.com/pressrelease500sw.htm

440gr HC Cast Performance
Velocity 1625fps
Energy 2580ft/lbs

sounds like a 12 gauge slug

[Mastrogiacomo]

Damn folks, leave the poor animals alone and use a camera instead. I read that article in today's Boston Globe. Why would anyone want to kill an elephant for anyway? They're already on the endangered list. :(

[CZ-75]

Damn folks, leave the poor animals alone and use a camera instead. I read that article in today's Boston Globe. Why would anyone want to kill an elephant for anyway? They're already on the endangered list.


Okay, Cape Buffalo. Elephants may be endangered as a whole, but I believe S. Africa and Zimbabwe have more than they need -- meaning that elephants are devastating many areas of those countries, both in damage to property and vegetation. Culling is practiced and the privileges are sold to safari hunters for cold hard cash that the countries need badly.

Still, a handgun is not my idea of safe or humane.

[Larry Ashcraft]

Our local newspaper (Republican owned) just ran it in the business section titled "Dirty Harry will need a bigger holster". Here...

http://www.chieftain.com/friday/business/index/article/9

[Trisha]

If those specs from Cor-Bon are right, it'll be a delicious choice for elk. . .

(((sigh)))

Besides, it'd be a blast to shoot!

[Sean Smith]

I'm sorry, but those ballistics, if correct for the 8" or so barrel on that revolver, are flat-out psychotic. 2,600 foot-pounds at the muzzle?!? .454 Casull is about 1,800, and most people can't stand THAT. It adds about 200 ft/sec of velocity to published .500 Linebaugh Maximum ballistics, a caliber that John Taffin said made him physically ill after shooting it.

:what:

[Drizzt]

New gun makes their day at show

By Jennifer Harper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The new .50-caliber Model 500 Magnum revolver made its debut at the Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade (SHOT) Show in Orlando, Fla., yesterday.

It is the biggest, most powerful revolver ever made.

"Well, bigger is better, I always say. This is a moment of celebration. This is beautiful," noted rock musician and gun aficionado Ted Nugent from his home in Michigan yesterday.

Just how big is the Model 500?

It has an overall length of 15 inches, more than half taken up by a satin-finished, stainless steel barrel, and weighs more than 4½ pounds.

"Now, there are bigger guns than this," Mr. Nugent said. "There are custom, single-shot hand cannons on handgun frames. But this still packs a wallop, and for a hunter who likes to get real close, this kills fast. I'm going to have to get me a couple."

Smith & Wesson made the original .357 Magnum revolver in 1935, and followed up with the .44 Magnum two decades later. That model became a Hollywood icon in the 1970s "Dirty Harry" films starring Clint Eastwood.

"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kind of lost track myself," Mr. Eastwood's character told one villain in a memorable movie moment, while brandishing his weapon.

"But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?"

Mr. Nugent credits Mr. Eastwood's acting for the scene's power.

"A lot of the impact of that moment was more about Harry's attitude, and the way he handled that gun," he said.

Nevertheless, Smith & Wesson's latest offering is somewhat of a cultural milestone.

Future Hollywood scripts can no longer tout the prowess of the old .44 Magnum. The .50-caliber model simply has "no equal," according to Smith & Wesson President Roy Cuny.

It holds five rounds and provides "nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum round," Mr. Cuny said.

The new revolver already has some competition, however. Minnesota-based Magnum Research has manufactured the .50-caliber Desert Eagle Pistol for a dozen years, and now offers eight models with six- or 10-inch barrels — and multiple accessories.

The Desert Eagle has its own devoted following, and has already appeared in films, on magazine covers and in video games.

"A polished chrome .50 AE Desert Eagle was featured on an episode of 'The Sopranos,' " the company notes. "White micarta grips and a gold baseplate add unusual style."

Meanwhile, the new Smith & Wesson revolver proved to be a popular draws at the SHOT Show, attended only by dealers, manufacturers and other firearm professionals.

"This is a gun for adventurous hunters," Smith & Wesson spokesman Ken Jorgensen said yesterday. "There's a certain group who are looking for broader horizons. They've taken up archery, or black powder guns. And they've taken up handgun hunting. The .50 raises the bar for them."

Steve Comus, a spokesman for the Tucson, Ariz.-based hunter's advocacy group Safari Club International, recently test-fired the new model.

"Big gun, big cartridge. This has already taken handgun hunting into a whole new league," he said yesterday.

http://washtimes.com/national/20030214-8596405.htm

[Trisha]

Sean;
I'm not psychotic, I'm a natural blonde. . .

[ball3006]

my Thompson Contender in 45/70 with modern loads????chris3

[rock jock]

I was going to say that Magnum Research's BFR revolver which fires the 45-70 cartridge exceeded the 500 magnum, but after looking at the ballistic chart, that it not necessarily true, especially for the hottest loads out of the Smith. Absolutely insane.

[Selfdfenz]

Cool and groovy. Gotta have one. Ugly . Better than Glock ugly. Double bagger Glock ugly.
Cool.
Gotta wait till Glock chambers something in it. Model 50 something . Yeah. High caps. Yeah.
Yeah
Yeah
Glock Glock Glock.
Yeah.

Glock

S-:D :D :D

[Calamity Jane]

I'm sorry, but those ballistics, if correct for the 8" or so barrel on that revolver, are flat-out psychotic. 2,600 foot-pounds at the muzzle?!? .454 Casull is about 1,800, and most people can't stand THAT.

Great Googly Moogly, now that's a GUN!!!!!!!

:what:

I've shot a .454 Casull - and whatta BANG that was. I can't begin to fathom what this .50 Magnum would feel like.

:what:

:D

[redneck]

Anyone remember how to calculate felt recoil (approximate)?

Think about this a little bit. Nobody wants a 4 1/2 lb rifle or shotgun in a serious caliber. Look how many people complain about shooting an NEF 12 gauge.
But everybody wants a 4 1/2 lb revolver that kicks just as hard :eek: :scrutiny:

Some of you folks is crazy.

[Watchman]

A few weeks ago two of the security guards where I work went to the S&W armourers course . While they were there, they were told of the new offering that was about to be announced and they were given the opportunity to handle the piece. They also stopped by the shop to show me a casing they were given by the engineer that developed it. You could drop a .44 magnum case in it. They also said that the engineer had only fired it once and refused to do it again. He thought that it was the upper limit of tolerance that the average handgun shooter could stand.

It would go well with my 50 BMG. With 2600 FPs of energy, that puts it in the same class as a lot of rifle cartridges. I want one!


Im sure the cost of ammo will be high. Anyone wonder how long it'll be before we can buy reloading dies ?

Hmmm....with my income tax return it has possibilites...:D

[Peetmoss]

Now that my friends is a Hand Cannon:D They had an article in my local paper today about it boy did I get teased. I want won but I will have to buy it used and somehow I think I might be able to get lucky.

[Sean Smith]

(mischievous pouting moue)
Sean;
I'm not psychotic, I'm a natural blonde. . .

Yeah, yeah, that's what all my ex-girlfriends said, too. :neener:


__________________
"I know you didn't see me at church - I was out at the range teaching lesbians how to shoot nice big guns!"

:eek:

Anyway, I said the ballistics were psychotic, not you. The correct term for a shooter of that gun would be "masochistic."

:evil:

[David Park]

The "hunter" model with the shoulder strap is kinda ugly, but I like the standard model:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/Products/Firearms/images/163500_med.jpg

Here are pictures and info for all the new S&W models (http://www.smith-wesson.com/Products/Firearms/whatsnew.htm).

[9x45]

It was featured in the LA Times today as a full 2 page article showing the gun in actual size. LA cops are saying it will end up in the hands of juvenille gang bangers because it appeals to the bigger is badder, just like giant SUV's such as Ford Excursions and Cheverolet Suburbans, both popular with known gangsters.
Aside from the Yellow Press, the Great Uninformed and UnWashed, what purpose does this gun serve? It's far too powerful for any kind of recognized and organized competitive shooting forums, far too large for concealed carry, far too underpowered for any serious hunter compared to the higher powered single shot actions allready available. So what is this gun for?
After the first 50 buyers shoot more than 2 rounds, they will all be for sale on GunBroker.com for $200, about the right price for a high quality wallhanger...
The only smart thing S&W could do is dump all their autoloaders, and re-introduce the Model 547 in a 4" stainless!

[Watchman]

LA cops are saying

Oh yeah...that makes it so....


So what is this gun for?

It can be for whatever I want it to be for.

I want to own one because I can.

No other reason...just because.

Aint livin in AMERICA great ?


:neener:::

[Flying V]

Are LA cops selected for stupidity?
I would love to see one of the criminal element attempt to fire a .500 from the sideways hold.

[Marshall]

Redneck,

If you don't like them that's fine! But, why so bitter sounding about them? I doubt they produced them just make you mad?

:rolleyes:

[VictorLouis]

Why, in .45/70, of course.:D I was scared to touch it off, but it really wasn't that bad. It's far more comfortable to shoot than a .44 MG with any factory load. Then, it's owner advised me that I'd shot his stepped-up handloads, and he handed over a single Federal factory load for me to shoot. That was as comfortable as .38s in a K-frame or .44 Special in the MG.

I can't say I wan't one, but I won't shy away from the opportunity to shoot the new maggie if I can.:)

[Sean Smith]

The BFR .45-70 has mild ballistics compared to the S&W .50... alot of velocity is lost with the shorter barrel compared to a .45-70 rifle, or even a Contender. I wouldn't be so eager to try one. But hey, do what you like. ;)

[waterdog]

Dumb!

They are hoping the first time neophyte will bite on the thing.

Dumb!

waterdog

[redneck]

Marshal
I'm not bitter, I just really can't understand the thought process that developed it or the people that want one. Bigger isn't always better, after a certain point.
Anyone that wants to buy one go ahead. More power to ya. Have fun pistol whipping yourself :neener:

[500swmag]

"Marshal
I'm not bitter, I just really can't understand the thought process that developed it or the people that want one. Bigger isn't always better, after a certain point.
Anyone that wants to buy one go ahead. More power to ya. Have fun pistol whipping yourself


__________________
If all else fails
Get a BIGGER hammer!
"
redneck, I couldn't help but to laugh myself silly with this posting... "bigger isn't always better...." "if all else fails Get a BIGGERj hammer!"...
anyway on a serious note the 500 is not all that punishing to shoot, I shot 70 rds of 400 and 440gr, isn't wasn't a day in the park, but I've been abused much worse with some handload 44 mags. from a 4" 29.
BC

[Watchman]

500swmag,

You've got one ?:what: Does this mean they are available ?

Please tell me more about my next gun...:D

[Flying V]

500swmag is the engineer who designed the gun.

[natedog]

Well, looks like the hunt for my first CCW handgun is over. Now, where to find a holster....

[Guntalk]

At the SHOT Show, S&W showed a .500 Magnum with a three-inch barrel!!!

Better be wearing your asbestos gloves when you touch that one off.

I liked it.

[Pendragon]

redneck:

Most .454 and .44 hand guns do not weigh 70-80oz.

Also - there is a difference between "felt recoil" and recoil energy.

A larger, heavier gun is going to accellerate slower than a lighter gun and the energy transfer is going to be slower and less unpleasant.

I would honestly, seriously consider getting one of these for hunting boar (and whatever else).

I would probably shoot medium to light loads, but I think the .50 diameter is just going to work better on heavy game.

I had read 500swmags posts on the S&W forum and I believe him when he says it was manageable. It would be fun to shoot a cylinder or two each range trip and I can see that it could have very serious applications in handgun silhouette competition.

Now - I am 6'5" and over 300lbs and I have very very large hands. I think this gun is proportioned just right for someone like me :)

500swmag - you guys should make a .500 special that shoots a 300gr slug at 800-1000 fps out of a 3" tube. Now THAT would be something :)

[RTW]

Out of a BFR in .450 Marlin with a 10" tube, you can shoot a 350 grain bullet @ 1814 fps for 2557 ft-pnds of energy. That is a rifle load, not a cor-bon load tailored for a short barrel. I'm sure that cor-bon or a good handloader could beat that by a wide margin. You could also duplicate that load in a 45/70 BFR if you wanted to.

Remember, If you buy a new S&W product, you are no different morally than the French. Either way, you are supporting our nation's enemies, and eating smelly cheese while waving a white flag.

:neener: :neener:

http://www.magnumresearch.com/

[Yo]

Pendragon wrote:
Also - there is a difference between "felt recoil" and recoil energy.

A larger, heavier gun is going to accellerate slower than a lighter gun and the energy transfer is going to be slower and less unpleasant.

Generally true, but with this brute, the numbers are off the chart. I ran the specs through my ballistics program for the "medium" 400gr Corbon load (1675 fps, 2500 ft/lbs) and this is what it showed:

36.99 ft/lbs recoil energy

21.83 ft/sec recoil velocity

By contrast, a 190 grainer fired from a 12-lb 300wm rifle generates about 16 ft/lbs of recoil, with 9.24 ft/sec recoil velocity.

- - -

So, this puppy has more than twice the recoil energy of a 300 win mag rifle, and will be recoiling back at your head at 15 miles per hour. It will cover the distance from your hands to your face in the time it takes to blink. Literally.

As someone else said.... holy googly moogly. :eek: :what: :confused:

Heavy or not, this gun is going to recoil plenty fast.

[Chisel Head]

Our local newspaper (Republican owned) just ran it in the business section titled "Dirty Harry will need a bigger holster". Here...

http://www.chieftain.com/friday/busi...ndex/article/9 Johnny comes lately.
The article's gone.
Here's what I get:

404 Error - PAGE NOT FOUND:
The requested document , http://www.chieftain.com/friday/business/index/article/9/, could not be found!

We recently redesigned our website. If our reaching this page from a link outside of chieftain.com please return to the home page to begin looking for the information. If you reached this page from a link within chieftain.com please let us know so we can repair the links.

Please return to the home page

Looking for something? - Click here to go to the archive search.Or is the German government censoring it? Does the active link show up for anyone?

[highorder]

This thread is 5 years old.

[Meowhead]

Yeeeeeees...I'm just going to guess it's a case of outdated link rather than zee Germans censoring anything.

You can probably find more information on the S&W 500 elsewhere, starting with www.google.com

[Chisel Head]

I was more interested in Dirty Harry's holster enlargement, Sir