Proud new owner of a Seecamp! Tips/advice sought...ATTN: WildAlaska!


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Drjones
June 29, 2004, 08:06 PM
Hi all.

Started the paperwork today on a Seecamp I bought.

Any tips, advice, etc. that anyone can offer? (No, trade it for two kel-tecs is not an option. 1) They aren't CA-legal, 2) I prefer the higher quality of the Seecamp anyway)

Some specific questions that I would like answered, please:

1) How often should I clean it, considering its going to be a pocket gun?

2) Do they require lots of oil or are they fairly "dry" guns like Glocks?

Again, any other tips/advice are very much appreciated.

Thanks!!!

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Wildalaska
June 29, 2004, 08:24 PM
Hey Doc..

Ive had mine for a long time and have probably 2-300 rounds through it..Ive never cleaned it...its been in my pocket continually (except for 14 days) for over a year...every month or so I empty it into a target, then blow it out with an airhose..

I use one or two drops of teflon oil on the frame slide interface...

You may find that it does not feed the first round, not a prob, just rack it in..

Ive never had a failure to go bang yet...

I highly reccomend Azraels back pocket holster.....plus yer supporting a fellow Boardie

Mine does need a cleeaning though...along wiyth my M1 Carbine...they are starting to look like Spiffs guns, ya know black stuff dripping off...

WildmygodcantyasayanythingniceAlaska

kokapelli
June 29, 2004, 08:26 PM
"dry" guns like Glocks?"

Never heard that before!

Why is "Glock a dry gun"?

Drjones
June 29, 2004, 08:32 PM
"dry" guns like Glocks?"

Never heard that before!

Why is "Glock a dry gun"?

Certain guns, like Glocks, require less lube than others, like Berettas. Berettas typically require a good amount of oil to function properly, whereas Glocks can fire even when full of sand.

This is due mostly to design differences, I'd guess...


Thanks for the reply, Wild. :)

kokapelli
June 29, 2004, 08:43 PM
I use "DuPont Silicone Super Lube" For my pocket carried KelTec P-3AT.

This lube penetrates into the metal and dries completely in just minutes.
I like the dry lube for pocket carry because nothing, not even lint sticks to it and routine cleaning just requires a couple of blasts from canned air.

spacemanspiff
June 29, 2004, 09:22 PM
WA, and i suppose the bolt on your swede didnt make a mess when you tossed it on the pristine bedsheets either, huh?
you havent posted much since the weekend. did swmbo hurt you so badly that you can hardly type?
:neener:

kokapelli
June 29, 2004, 09:29 PM
Huh!

Arc Angel
June 29, 2004, 09:45 PM
Certain guns, like Glocks, require less lube than others, like Berettas. Berettas typically require a good amount of oil to function properly, whereas Glocks can fire even when full of sand.

:uhoh: Yeah, that's what the ads continue to tell us; but, just, try firing a, 'dry Glock', sometime, and see how many rounds you're able to hit the target with. One area that absolutely MUST be lubricated is flat section between the connector and the trigger bar. Without lubrication, here, a, 'dry Glock' may or may not fire; but, when it does go off, the trigger pull will be horrendous! ;)

spacemanspiff
June 29, 2004, 09:48 PM
not a glock, but when i had my steyr m9, the last thousand rounds was with it dry. i cleaned it and didnt use any lube. was accurate and reliable.

the m40 on the other hand, was very picky about how much lube it wanted on teh rails. also liked only certain types of ammo.
glad i sold that needy pistol, sorry i also sold the dependable m9 though.

Drjones
June 29, 2004, 10:13 PM
So, back ON topic.... ;)

Drjones
June 30, 2004, 01:09 PM
Bump. :)

Bob79
June 30, 2004, 02:07 PM
I have been carrying mine for about 5 days now, I have yet to shoot it, but have been trying to get into the range. Hopefully this week I can fire this little gem, I have 200 rounds of the recommended silvertips.

I also plan on buying some Cor-bons to run through it as soon as my dealer gets some in (1 week). I have a leather fist IWB on order, and am currently using a cheapie Uncle Mike's IWB.

Have you taken it apart yet to clean? I have and it was a royal pain in the you know what to get it back together. I had to call the place I had it shipped from to have a tech talk me through it, outstanding showing of customer service for them doing that:D

Just curious what was the cost? I paid $390 + $20 shipping + $40 extra mag. I also got the Silver tips from cheaperthandirt.com for $19 a box of 50 rounds, and that was the cheapest I saw it. Everyone I showed it to has been impressed with it, but almost 95% of them haven't ever heard of Seecamp:confused:

Only thing to do is check the reliability and see how the recoil is.

mini14jac
June 30, 2004, 02:17 PM
Hey, one of you guys post a pic.
I haven't lusted after a Seecamp in a few years.

Now that they are down to a reasonable price, I may buy another gun I don't need. :rolleyes:

Drjones
June 30, 2004, 02:17 PM
Hi Bob.

Due to the draconian laws here in CA, I'm currently at the start of my 10-day waiting period.

You know, its for the public good.

If I got my little .32 right away, I might go shooting people, but if I'm made to wait 10 days, you can rest assured that I won't shoot you with my .32.

As for my other 5 guns that are currently in my posession....:rolleyes:

Anyhow, may I ask why you would bother carrying such a dinky gun IWB? It really does lend itself spectacularly to pocket carry.


I paid $440 for mine, including shipping and a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster. The gun is 98-99% condition and has only had a box of Silvertips fired through it. Add $50 for the transfer fee and paperwork, and it ran me $490 total.

Bear in mind that it is a CA edition, which is more expensive than the standard Seecamps.

Had I bought one at a local shop, it would have been $499 plus tax, fees, etc., bringing the total closer to $600, so I saved around $100.

How are you planning on carrying your extra mag?

Thanks and enjoy your Seecamp!
Drjones

Bob79
June 30, 2004, 02:56 PM
If no one posts a pic before I can, then I will try later tonight.

As far as IWB carry...personal preference. I can't stand anything, except maybe a piece of paper in my back pockets. So that leaves the front pockets. I carry my wallet in the front left, so thats out. Down to right front pocket (and I'm right-handed), but I carry car keys, and a bottle of eye-drops 24-7 there. Plus before I got the Uncle Mike's IWB I carried it in my right front pocket and it wasn't that comfortable. I understand a holster would secure it more, but I think it was more the bulk of something there. The IWB is more comfortable to me, it doesn't use up pocket space, & I know the gun is very light overall (13.5 ozs fully loaded), but for such a small object it is "heavy" and I don't feel any weight on the belt (IWB).

Sounds like you got a good deal on the price. I know about the CA safety issue, and have seen that it adds $100 to the price. That whole thing is just goofy about having to have a safety. So from what I understand is you can just keep that little switch behind the trigger to one side and keep the saftery off all time right? I've never owned a handgun with a safety (7) and have never accidently fired a round.

I'm not going to carry an extra mag, and I'm all for being prepared, but I think the cost far outweighs the benefit. The only time you should use this gun is for Self Defense, and by the time you have emptied the mag, either it had the desired effect (bad guy stopped or retreating) or you've lost. I can understand the "you never know" BUT I just can' see it happening...ten billion to one.

Drjones
June 30, 2004, 03:15 PM
I feel the same way about my back pockets: I can barely tolerate some kleenex, let alone a wallet or pistol.

Anyhow, front right pocket for my seecamp for me. :) I moved around some stuff and even got a new, slimmer wallet to accomodate, but it will be worth the effort.

Yes, AFAIK, the safety is manually operated, meaning that I can leave it in the "off" position, which I definitely will do. Except for the 1911, safeties are unsafe, and people who rely on them should not be handling firearms.

I don't blame you for not carrying the extra mag. The Seecamp is, as you stated, the sort of gun where, once you've emptied your first mag, if that hasn't cleared up the situation, you're screwed anyway.

I don't plan on carrying an extra mag simply because its not really feasible.

I may add one at some point later on if I find a good pocket holster that will accomodate the gun and spare mag, but I don't plan on it either for now.

kokapelli
June 30, 2004, 03:25 PM
Not a Seecamp, but the same idea.
I carry an extra mag in a DeSantis holster most of the time. The extra mag also squares off the profile of the pistol making it less obvious!

When I have a very small pocket, I use a

DeSantis Nemesis.
http://www.wtv-zone.com/jnib/images/ktog/P3AT_1.jpg

Drjones
June 30, 2004, 03:27 PM
Ok, how the HECK do you draw from that holster with the mag right in front of the grip like that?? :confused:

kokapelli
June 30, 2004, 03:36 PM
I know it looks tight, but my middle finger fits right in between the extra mag and the trigger guard and allows a good secure grip to draw from.

Chipperman
June 30, 2004, 06:07 PM
I have a Seecamp that I carry as a pocket gun in a Desantis holster.

I like the gun, It works well. Just a little oil on the slide, not a heavy lube gun, but not dry either.

RTFM!!!!

You can easily bend the trigger spring if you are not careful. The mag disconnect also prevents the slide from being racked. That's my biggest problem with the design. If you rack the slide without a mag in place, you will bend the trigger spring. Ask me how I know. :banghead:


RTFM!!!!

Drjones
June 30, 2004, 06:17 PM
RTFM? :confused:

Drjones
June 30, 2004, 06:20 PM
Thanks for the response, Chipper.

The Seecamp does allow you to pull the slide back just enough to verify an empty chamber though, right?

At least mine does....unless I broke it....:uhoh: :uhoh: :banghead:

Drjones
June 30, 2004, 06:23 PM
Also:

How does one clear the weapon, say, for cleaning?

Do I have to rack each round out individually?

NO, I have not read the manual and cannot; I just started the paperwork on it and haven't taken posession of it yet, so I don't have the manual.

I know....I should have taken at least the manual home....:banghead:

Wildalaska
June 30, 2004, 08:02 PM
The way I clear the weapon is to drop the mag just enough so the second round wont feed, hold it ibn place with a finger, clear the round from the chamber, and drop the mag out


WildpracticeitseasyAlaska

heysox
June 30, 2004, 11:18 PM
Seecamp pic as requested. PCS holster.

Bob79
July 2, 2004, 03:05 PM
OK, I fired 50 rounds of Silvertip yesterday and had 3 failures. Each failure was the slide getting jammed because it was trying to grab the next round but getting stuck, not chambering it. Now what type of failures are the result of limp wristing? Because I didn't have any stovepipes, and I made sure to remember to keep a tight grip. I've heard others complain about the recoil, but it didn't bother me a bit, so much that I was looking forward to trying some Cor Bons.

ALSO The trigger was slow to return to position after firing! This was about 1/3 of the time:cuss: I would pull the trigger, and then go to pull for the next shot and it wasn't there yet, had wait to 1-2 seconds sometimes! I have no clue what this is about, I read some of the above posts talking about the draw bar spring getting damaged. The gun was shipped with an extra draw bar spring, and a warning to not pull the trigger at all when ejecting the mag. Now, I don't think I did that, but I may have accidently seeing how its new to me and I could have slipped up. Also I had problems with reassembly at first, and I could have screwed something up.

So I took it apart, cleaned it, lubed it, and put in the other draw bar spring. BUT when I visually compared the 2 springs I didn't see a difference, UNLESS the spring could be damaged and you can't tell by merely looking at it.

I plan on shooting 50-100 rounds again this weekend to try it out again, and if I have problems like the 1st time then I'm sending it back to the factory. I love this little gun, the feel, recoil, size, but its gotta work correctly.

ANY IDEAS OR OTHER PEOPLE WHO EXPERIENCED THE SAME THING OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT COULD BE HAVE CAUSED MY PROBLEMS?

Drjones
July 2, 2004, 03:40 PM
Did you clean and lube it thoroughly [n]before[/b] shooting it?

That's all I can think of....I'm not familiar with the gun at all yet.

Bob79
July 2, 2004, 03:48 PM
YUP, first thing I did was take it home, take it apart, and cleaned it thoroughly. I used Break Free CLP, and then used some Rem Oil on it too. This is when I first had the problems with reassembly (when I thought I might have messed something up). I had to call the tech at the dealer the next day to help talk me through the reassembly. After the first time you do it though, its a piece of cake.

alamo
July 2, 2004, 03:54 PM
See if this helps you figure out what the problem is-

http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com/function.html

http://www.gunsmith.fuselier.com

Chipperman
July 2, 2004, 05:50 PM
Bob79-- Call Larry, and He'll take care of you. He's a good guy. He sent me two extra springs when I bent mine. There was a definite visible difference with mine. Maybe your is bent, but not as badly.

(RTFM means Read The F*ing Manual, but I think you figured that out already. ;) )

Drjones
July 2, 2004, 06:01 PM
Oh.

No, I hadn't figured that out yet, and NO I can't RTFM because I don't have it yet!!!!!!!

Stupid CA 10-day waiting periods!!!!! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Thanks for the RTFM advice. ;)

Bob79
July 6, 2004, 01:02 PM
I called that day and spoke with Larry, and he is a really nice guy. I explained what was going on and he apologized (not necessary) and said it shouldn't be doing that and asked me to send in the gun. The gun should arrive there tomarrow. He said if it got in early enough in the day he would have it back out that same day :p

But I really appreciated his concern, and his whole approach. I just hope it wasn't me that screwed something up. Like I said, I visually compared those two draw bar springs and couldn't for the life of me see any difference.

O-well, BIG thanks to Larry, and I'll let ya'll know what happens.

Drjones
July 6, 2004, 01:11 PM
Keep us posted, Bob and good luck!

I get my Seecamp on Friday! I can't wait!!! :)

Bainx
July 6, 2004, 01:57 PM
....boy, it's about time they started shipping them!;)

TheEgg
July 7, 2004, 02:36 PM
THREAD DRIFT WARNING!!!

BOB79 --

I have been carrying mine for about 5 days now, I have yet to shoot it,

You are carrying, for self-defense, a gun you have never even fired?:what:


OK, I fired 50 rounds of Silvertip yesterday and had 3 failures.

See why this a REALLY bad idea?

I am NOT trying to bust your chops, but you should REALLY REALLY REALLY wring out a new gun extensively, with your chosen carry ammo, before even thinking about using it for self-defense.

If I mis-understood your posts, please ignore me -- most people do anyway.;)

BTW -- nice pistols, I am green with envy at all of you with Seecamps!

greg531mi
July 8, 2004, 01:22 AM
I had the same problem with my 32acp autauga, get some die paper or some 400 grit emory paper, and lightly sand the inside front edge of the mag. When mags are stamped, burrs sometime form there, and will hang up the cartridge. Also, you have to shoot short cartridges out of a seecamp, which is the silvertip or try the Speer Gold Dot. I use the gold dot in mine, and after deburring, no problems.... It's worth a try...

Bob79
July 8, 2004, 02:51 PM
OK, I know I SHOULD have tested the pistol out thoroughly before carrying it. But I don't have another one to carry in its place, so my logic was...HAVING AN UN-PROVEN GUN IS BETTER THAN NO GUN.

I never even looked at the mags to check for issues, good point. But that doesn't explain what was up with the trigger.

The pistol arrived at Seecamp Inc yesterday about 11AM, and Larry said if he got it early enough in the day he should have it out the same day. But I'm not holding him to it, everyone is busy, and to expect it shipped back out the same day may be unrealistic. Although that would be greatly appreciated, I'll be happy with tomarrow (Friday).

I am very curious to know what was wrong with the little S.O.B. though, cause I love its size, feel, and accuracy. I shot about 1/3 of the rounds from 21 ft, 35 ft, & 50ft. Only one round was not in the siloutte. :p
O yeah, a buddy showed me his Tomcat the other day (I used to have one 2 years ago) and it felt HUGE compared to the Seecamp.

Drjones
July 8, 2004, 03:04 PM
OK, I know I SHOULD have tested the pistol out thoroughly before carrying it. But I don't have another one to carry in its place, so my logic was...HAVING AN UN-PROVEN GUN IS BETTER THAN NO GUN.

I agree.

I think I've carried an unproven gun before with the same logic; an unproven gun is more reliable than NO gun at all.

:)

TheEgg
July 8, 2004, 03:19 PM
OK, I know I SHOULD have tested the pistol out thoroughly before carrying it. But I don't have another one to carry in its place, so my logic was...HAVING AN UN-PROVEN GUN IS BETTER THAN NO GUN.

OK, I guess the wuppin can be cancelled now!:p

Just didn't think about that scenario -- it has been so long since I only had one gun (40 years?) that it didn't occur to me! Color me embarrased.

LynnMassGuy
July 10, 2004, 09:34 AM
I paid $440 for mine, including shipping and a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster. The gun is 98-99% condition and has only had a box of Silvertips fired through it.



ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! Even CA pices are more reasonable then MA!!!!!! Gun stores around here get $595-$675 for CA model Seacamps.(Which is all you can buy in MA. In fact it is the only new pocket autoloader you can buy in MA.:fire: )

Drjones
July 10, 2004, 12:30 PM
LynnMass:

Actually, I bought it from a private individual out of state.

The one local shop here that sells them wants $499, which isn't bad, but after tax and all that, I still saved close to $100.

Plus, I don't want to give any extra money to this communist state. :evil:

If you want one (if you do not already have one), post a WTB ad on various gun forums and you should find one no problem.

Don't forget to search the for sale ads too. :)

azrael
July 10, 2004, 05:21 PM
LWS Seecamps are nice looking weapons...Only problem that I have with them is the ammo you can use <~~cheapskate

The .380 version looks sweet, however I can buy a Rohrbaugh 9mm for that price...

Allow your Seecamp to break in somewhat before hitting the panic button...My Naa Guardian .32acp went 300+ rounds before it settled down and became 100% reliable...

Bob79
July 11, 2004, 05:37 PM
I'm getting it back tomarrow from UPS. They came Friday and I wasn't home (you need a signature), and so I called to try and pick it up Saturday and they aren't open on Sat:fire: Fed Ex is so much better.

So its gonna be dropped off tomarrow, and I am anxious to know what was wrong with it. I asked Mr. Seecamp if he would include an explanation of what was wrong so if it was something I may have done during that first painful re-assembly, I won't do it again :evil:

But I still have 150 rounds of Silvertip to try, and I picked up 80 rounds of Cor Bon also. Figure I'll run the ST first, see how she runs, and if all is OK then I'll try some Cor Bons. Hopefully the Cor Bons will run well, I looked and they actually appear just a hair shorter than the ST ammo, which is good.

Hopefully I'll be to the range soon, and I can report back here hopefully with positive information.

Drjones
July 11, 2004, 11:32 PM
I picked up mine yesterday, and man, this thing is AWESOME!!!

I'm so enamored knowing that I'll be able to have a gun on me ALWAYS now! :)

Today I disassembled it to clean/inspect/lube. Disassembly, while not like a Beretta, wasn't as bad as some make it sound.

Question: How do you people clean/lube your Seecamp bore? The hammer gets in the way of a standard brush, so I just used a Q-tip soaked in Eezox (which is, BTW, recommended by the factory!) and cleaned from both the breech and barrel end sides. Anything wrong with that?

Great little gun....can't wait to shoot it!!! :)

Wildalaska
July 12, 2004, 12:57 AM
How do you people clean/lube your Seecamp bore? The hammer gets in the way of a standard brush, so I just used a Q-tip soaked in Eezox (which is, BTW, recommended by the factory!) and cleaned from both the breech and barrel end sides. Anything wrong with that?

Dunno never cleaned mine....

WildlazypigAlaska

Bob79
July 12, 2004, 04:05 PM
If you are not using a hard brass wire brush I think it would be OK to clean it from the outside-in. I wouldn't clean it that way with a hard wire brush though. I had the same problems with a J-frame, I got a brush that was bendable, and I bent it into an "L" shape. If you do that it will fit in the right way.

My girlfriend signed for the gun today, and I get home in a few hours, can't wait to see what the problem was.

Dr Jones, you didn't think it was a pain in the a** to put back together? I kept screwing up because I couldn't understand from the directions that you must hold the draw bar in up against the gun until the slide moves down to hold it in place:banghead:

Bob79
July 12, 2004, 07:08 PM
Got it back. But there was no explanation included to say what was repaired:(

I could take a guess that it was either the draw bar spring (which I thought looked OK), or the recoil spring. Reason being is there was obviously one draw bar spring in the gun, + I got two extra draw bar springs. There was also an extra recoil spring inlcluded as well, and I did notice that when I loaded it and racked in the first round it seem to be tighter and came forward w/ more force.

So I had hoped it wasn't my doing, but I'm thinking it was in the end:rolleyes:

I tell you what...no more am I gonna let other people hold it to check it out. Cause I few times people just started dropping the mag (maybe they pulled the trigger while doing so, which is a no-no), and racking the slide like maniacs. Well, never again, look...but don't touch from now on.

Drjones
July 13, 2004, 06:57 PM
Hiya bob. Glad you got your gun back. Let us know how it goes next range trip, ok?

Couple questions:

1) How do you guys grip your Seecamp? I find that its best if I only have my middle finger on the grip, otherwise my hand rides up on the frame too high and I'm afraid I'll get bitten.

2) The recoil spring goes in "double-end first" according to the manual. This means the end where the two springs meet, right? So the end furthest from the gun is the end that looks like its just one single spring, right? Just double-checking.


Thanks!

Bob79
July 14, 2004, 02:49 PM
I grip it the same way, only my middle finger is fully on the grip, & my ring finger kinda wraps along the bottom.

Yes on the recoil spring, I'm gonna try something...

(muzzle end) ------====== (into hole/notch)

make sense? The double dashes represent the double spring area.

I hope this makes sense and my attempt at a "picture" doesn't make me look like a lunatic.

Drjones
July 14, 2004, 03:14 PM
Hahaha!

Thanks bob!

That is a good illustration. Very creative of you!

That confirms my beliefs. :)

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