CCW on 4" Police Positive Special?


July 1, 2004, 09:26 PM
I've got a bit of a problem. I've found what may be the perfect revolver for my purposes, a 4" late-model 2nd generation Colt PPS. It's extremely accurate, probably the most accurate .38 Special handgun I've ever seen.

I'd love to rig it for concealed carry on a Galco shoulder rig, but the only D-frame holsters I can find are horizontal, which means I get the barrel poking out behind my arm, looking rather obvious. I need to get a vertical rig that will hang on the Galco holster system. I've tried the Uncle Mikes vertical, but it's far too puffy and really doesn't conceal at all.

Any ideas?

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Old Fuff
July 1, 2004, 10:47 PM
Your problem is that you’re a couple of generations too late.

I fully agree that the 4” Colt Police Positive Special (Same as a detective Special with a longer barrel) is a good CCW choice, but a vertical shoulder is going to be a problem, unless you find a used one somewhere or maybe a custom maker.

I sometimes use an IWB holster rigged either high cross-draw or strong side. I found that a vertical shoulder holster with the pouch rigged high tends to pull on the belt if the holster’s toe is fastened there. If the pouch is rigged lower it gets to the point where a belt holster works just as well.

Some of the makers who cater to the cowboy trade might be able to help you, because vertical shoulder holsters are “in” with them right now, but I have no idea where or how they’d get a pattern unless they had the gun too.

July 1, 2004, 10:52 PM Big Ed does custom work. There is also the Montana clip style of shoulder holster.

July 2, 2004, 12:00 AM

Check out Ken Nulls site. He makes some very practical shoulder rigs that are vertical muzzle up.

Here is his URL look at the SKR model and the SMZ model I have both and love them.


Oscar Orum
July 2, 2004, 02:51 PM
COSMOLINE, Suggest you try Tom Furlow. I favor his work.

July 4, 2004, 05:50 PM
Thanks! I think you're right--a custom rig is the way to go. I've rigged up a Galco shoulder system to take an old cloth 1911 holster, but this hasn't balanced very well.

Anyone tried a belly band holster with a 4" revolver? I wonder if that would help.

July 4, 2004, 06:59 PM
Bauer Brothers made a great leather IWB holster. I packed my 4" S&W Model 10, 13 and a 3" M&P in one. My Colt Police Positive 4" rode in one also. Comfortable to pack. VERY difficult to draw from though, too soft.

July 5, 2004, 09:37 AM

I used a Brauer Bros. for years with my 13, and agree it was great. What a value! I found that when I'd draw the holster would come out with the gun and just be thrown toward the target with the draw stroke. It always stayed put when I used it with my smaller PPS. Wish Brauer Bros. were still around!

cheers, erich

July 5, 2004, 02:36 PM
Try Bianchi. they've been making their "X-15" vertical SH rig for MANY years and just might have one that'll fit without the expense of going the custom route.

July 5, 2004, 02:44 PM
El Paso Saddlery is also making shoulder rigs.

July 14, 2004, 05:25 PM
Solution found!

I saw a very odd plastic shoulder holster in the store the other day and after some testing realized it would hold the PPS perfectly. It's an inverted vertical holster from K.L.Null:

Model SMZ

It flips the revolver upside down and the barrel disappears. It remains concealed even under dress shirts. This would be a great way to conceal similar old .38 Specials with longer barrels. And since these usually run $200 or more less than snubs of comparable quality and offer more accuracy, it's worth looking into. It might even work with a 1911!

Old Fuff
July 14, 2004, 09:40 PM

You are not supposed to reveal our secrets. It is true that a small-frame revolver with a longer barrel offers a longer sight radius, better balance, and higher velocity then an equivalent snub-nose. But why educate the great unwashed? Certainly I would never do such a thing. Why if those other buyers caught on prices might go up and I couldn’t steal … er … I mean “purchase” them for peanuts anymore. A Police Positive Special with a 4 or even 5 inch barrel isn’t difficult to conceal, and is much better in the shooting department then a Detective Special. A target will soon show the difference.

Frankly you have to learn to be more careful. Loose lips sink ships, and all of that …:D :D :D

July 15, 2004, 02:57 PM
Yes, the 4" D-frame Colts have some groovy mojo. I love my Viper.

July 17, 2004, 01:48 AM
The only thing more wickedcool than a Police Positive is a Diamondback.

I second or third the Null suggestions. If he cant do it then it should'nt be done.

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