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TheDutchman
July 2, 2004, 10:20 AM
Who makes a good .38 super round for defense other then Win silvertip, they are a little slow

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MK11
July 2, 2004, 10:25 AM
Cor-Bon

armoredman
July 2, 2004, 10:26 AM
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MK11
July 2, 2004, 10:30 AM
Cor-Bon

TheDutchman
July 2, 2004, 12:50 PM
never really like the corbons to much had bad luck with them, it there anything else besides Corbon or Win silvertip ?

Brian D.
July 2, 2004, 04:44 PM
PMC makes .38 super hollowpoint too. Trouble is, it's not going as fast as decent 9mm parabellum in the same bullet weight. Sorry to pile on, but other than Cor-Bon, only the RBCD (sp?) stuff is warm, according to their charts anyhow. Haven't been able to justify the cost of RBCD for myself, considering I'd have to run a couple boxes through each of three guns to check reliability.

wally
July 2, 2004, 10:00 PM
.38 super factory ammo really suffers because it'll feed, chamber and fire in old .38 ACP guns that could blow up with max .38 super loads.

--wally.

sevenpoint62mm
July 2, 2004, 11:58 PM
Dutchman makes sure your 38 can handle the pressure of that cor-bon though. Not all 38s can, even the new S+Ws.

sm
July 3, 2004, 12:06 AM
I like the Factory STHP personally.

Does Win still have that Bullet avail so one can load their own?
I dunno what the fella's recipe was using that bullet...I sure did like it tho'. :)

1911Tuner
July 3, 2004, 06:29 AM
Just a nickel's worth here...

The Winchester Silvertip is a pretty good round. Even though it's not loaded to full Super potential, it's not exactly anemic, either.

I've chronographed the round at an average of 1150 fps from a Commander-length barrel...which would probably put it solidly in the 1200 fps range from a 5-inch barrel. That's low-end .357 Magnum territory, and a near ballistic match for the Remington reduced 125 grain loading. Not too shabby.

Expansion testing in gelatin and wet-pack newspaper showed good expansion and more than adequate penetration, even when quarter-inch dowel rods were inserted into the gelatin blocks to simulate a rib cage. The round is much more pleasant to shoot than the hot Cor-Bon 124-grain loading, and no doubt, much easier on the gun. It's also a little less costly than the Cor-Bon.

I'd say that if you can't solve a problem with a mag full of Silvertips,
you couldn't likely solve it with anything in a handgun.

Cheers!

Tuner

JohnKSa
July 3, 2004, 12:40 PM
Dutchman makes sure your 38 can handle the pressure of that cor-bon though. Not all 38s can, even the new S+Ws.
Which new S&W were you thinking of that is chambered in .38 Super?

Which .38 Super gun are you thinking of that won't handle Cor-Bon ammunition?

treeprof
July 4, 2004, 12:33 AM
Georgia Arms lists a 147 gr Gold dot @1200 fps. Is that in the ballpark? ( I know squat of 38 Super details). Only bullet wt they seem to load, tho.

bradvanhorn
July 5, 2004, 08:38 AM
Georgia Arms lists a 147 gr Gold Dot @1200 fps
I picked up a pack of these at the last gun show. The only 38 Super ammo I'd used before was PMC 130 gr FMJ @ 1090 fps. In comparison the Georgia Arms ammo felt significantly warmer.

Personally I'd use either the CorBon PowRBall or the Georgia Arms Gold Dot for defense in my 38 Super.

TheDutchman
July 5, 2004, 10:57 AM
Colt Series 70 GM is the gun i would fire it in. Every round but the corbons are so anemic as far as speed that i want something around the 1300fps 125-130 grain range

grendelbane
July 5, 2004, 01:57 PM
Tuner's Commander is a little bit faster than mine! (it happens).

Back in the day, I remember my LTW Commander doing about 1125 with the W-W Silvertip. My Gov't model would get into the territory that Tuner was talking about.

Before the Silvertip, Winchester loaded their revolver bullet in .38 Super cases. That was back in the Dark Ages, (before I owned a chronograph.)

I bought a bag of the Georgia Arms .38 Super at the last gun show. It is a 147 grain Gold Dot going 1160 fps, out of my latest .38 Super anyway. Haven't had a real chance to test it for accuracy, though.

Being as last night was the 4th, I fired a couple of rounds from the deck. Power Pistol sure provides a 4th of July flash!:D

Even in moderate quantities.:D

auldpharght
July 5, 2004, 09:32 PM
For some reason, most of the ammunition companies have reduced the power of today's .38 Super cartridge to 1150 to 1200 fps. This just about duplicates what happens with the 9mm cartridge and makes one question the choice of the .38 Super in the first place.

With today's 1911 pistols there is really no reason to reduce the power of the .38 Super cartridge. To my knowledge, only Cor-Bon manufactures .38 Super ammo like it ought to be made. Cor-Bon's 115-grain JHP load averaged 1476 fps in my gun, and the 125-grain JHP loading gave 1353 fps.



I shoot a FireStorm .38 Super and it handles' any load Corbon without any problems. You guys with the high-dollar pistols might oughta check with your manufacturer, though. ;<)

http://www.galleryofguns.com/prod_images/fs38gm.jpg

BluesBear
July 6, 2004, 12:48 AM
Dutchman makes sure your 38 can handle the pressure of that cor-bon though. Not all 38s can, even the new S+Ws.
As I recall the last (and perhaps only) Smith & Wesson chambered for .38 Super was a limited edition revolver from the Performance Center.
Smith & Wesson has never had a semi-auto pistol chambered for .38 Super in their catalogue.

Cor-Bon ammunition is within SAAMI guidelines anyway so any weapon originally chambered for .38 Super will handle it just fine.

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