[sonny]

Their are some pretty freaked out people here lately, checkpoints traffic jams, a noticable amount of extra police presence and terror alerts all over the news.
Their is something in the air...no pun intended.
Who here thinks a terrorist attack is inevitable?....Do you think it will be in NYC?....somewhere else?...where?
Do you think the govt is using the media as a pawn to take the edge off the soon to be war in Iraq?.....I personally don't but thats all I've been hearing lately.
I'd like to hear opinions

[NeverAgain26]

New York is definitely a high profile target. I do not think things are going to change soon. My wife asked me 'What if we were living like this 10 years from now?' I had no answer, really but it set me to thinking, this might be something we won't see the end of for awhile.

There is tension in the air. I live over the bridge in Jersey but I keep a desk in the city (Empire State Bldg of all places). I am going to find a way by hook or by crook to get a carry permit at least for NYC. It will make me feel better.

The next attack will be coming. It could be anywhere but I am damned if I will run for cover.

As long as the extra security is applied in a logical manner, I welcome it. I do see some cumbersome security arrangements that do not make me feel any more secure.

What bothers me most about terrorists is that they have no real address. The Middle East is a pretty big place. What's worse is I think these scum are spread out all over the place (U.S., Europe, Asia). Where do we hit? That's our biggest problem.

In any case, we have to act so our kids do not live with this crap.

NA26

[sonny]

It took two days for somebody to respond to this question.
I guess folks around the country are not feeling the heat the same way as we are in NYC.
I can understand that I guess.Sometimes I feel that the rest of America treats us as if we were another country...That makes me sad. I just wish they understood that a large portion of New Yorkers are just as red,white and blue as the rest of America.

[jmbg29]

I just wish they understood that a large portion of New Yorkers are just as red,white and blue as the rest of America.Then you all better get together and start shouting it from the :cuss:ing rooftops!

Whenever any crap starts in this country, it either starts in the Northeast - including the whole sewer system between Baaaastun and D.C. - or Kommiefornia.

Frankly, I've had enough. You have two giant smoking holes in the ground out there, and today 20+ square blocks of the city were choked with friggin' peaceniks!!!!!!! :cuss: :fire: Don't they know how much their pathetic weakness inflames the death-cult nuts? Don't they understand that all they are really saying is "Come kill us"?

Precisely when are the good folks in states like NY, MA, CT, RI, NJ, KA, etc. going to do something besides hand the rest of us crap?

We felt terrible when you folks were hit. We felt angry and vengeful. People like me that normal spit on N.Y.C. waited, and waited, and waited for those folks to finally "get it". What happened? The dust had barely cleared and it's right back to the usual crap. Disarming yourselves EVEN MORE THAN USUAL!?! I had hardly even thought that possible, but you clowns managed it.

Are you going to get hit again? You should bank on it. The one thing that delights the death-cult nuts, more than playing "Goat's Night Out" with each other, is killing the defenseless.

N.Y.C. is the most defenseless place in the western hemisphere, as far as they can tell.:rolleyes:You might as well have your leg stuck in a gopher hole while waving a red cape in front of a bull!

*******, Schumer, a RINO like Bloomberg for :cuss: sake?and right across the river, Lautenberg? Why don't you go the extra mile and hire the French as consultants and take being defenseless to undreamt of heights.

Sad doesn't even begin to describe it.:barf:

BTW if you were a death-cult nut, and you wanted to release Small Pox today, would you have wanted to be in Topeka, KS? Or do you think that half a million rubes and dupes in downtown N.Y.C. would have made a better target? :( :banghead:

[dinosaur]

It`s easy to say but I knew 9/11 was coming after the `93 WTC bombing. I was working then and we had plenty of after action intelligence. If I hadn`t retired LOD in `94 I could`ve worked security there at about $20 an hour. No thanks.

I was too sick to put up with the b.s. so I moved. Actually, I was going to move anyway as I was fed up.
There were jobs for experienced police officers all over the country.

I belong to a LEO board that has a few NYPD rookies and wanna be`s on it. They talk about the cost of living and it`s gotten ridiculous.

Then you have the Bloomberg/Pataki/*******/Chuckie Axis of Weasels. The place will never change. The nanny state is too ingrained.

My brother still lives in Brooklyn but retired last year. I told him he & his wife should move where their buck goes further. Like talking to a wall.

Friends, the same thing. My goddaughter and her brother go to state skuls while their father, a retired Corrections boss, pisses his $40,000+ pension away on junk. You can live well on that kind of money and have your kids get a decent education somewhere else.

Some like NeverAgain26 may be trapped by the money. However, if possible I`d recommend doing the job by computer and moving. Some can`t and that`s a shame.

[NeverAgain26]

dinosaur, I am not sure why you singled me out as maybe being trapped by the money. I assure you I could do most of my work by computer, but I choose not to and it's not for any money. Part of it is to show myself and my family that life has to go on and that I can't duck and run.

You don't know me or my circumstances. Don't judge me.

NA26

[AnklePocket]

I'm constantly on the road to include lots of time in North Jersey. It may just be me, but I have a sense of the calm before the storm. The people everywhere around there seem more polite than usual, more helpful and more friendly which is maybe a sign of how Americans band together.
To sum it all up - nothing will change until another massive crisis occurs. This is unfortunately what it'll take and those who still cry for those who were dancing in the streets on Sept. 12th are no better than them and will rapidly become the silent minority.
Our local leaders will be required to actually lead for the first time in their lives. Most really aren't up to the task so they'll be removed from office. The American People will only tolerate so much. We're still asleep and/or have our heads in the sand, but there's enough good people to get us back to the core American values that we've gotten away from.
Waking the Sleeping Giant will create a wrath of unconscionable consequences (at least from me).

[Waitone]

I can't imagine living in NYC after the 911 event. NYC and DC will remain Al Qaeda targets as long as they keep thinking like arabs. They are highly symbolic to the arabic mind so a strike on the symbol is a strike on the reality (clearly not western thinking). Hopefully they won't get smart and hit a podunk town in middle America

The closer to war we get the more terror activity we'll see. That's good news and bad news. Bad news is they will use whatever they have in the basket. Good news is the badguys will begin giving away their positions and perhaps move before they really wanted to move. My thinking is we'll see a number of small scale, freelance attacks, again mostly in the highly symbolic areas of NYC and DC.

We all have reasons for living where we live. I live in a metro city in the south that has a large banking infrastructure and I'm wanting to bail out. Because the the badguys? Nope, I hate the traffic, taxes, cost of living, and nanny-staters. There's a great country out there west of Manhattan. Come on out and visit a spell.

[NIGHTWATCH]

I live in brooklyn. Take the subway everyday to work and now carry an Israeli gas mask in my backpack. I figure if I see people dropping like flies, I will have a couple of seconds (if Im lucky) to act and run. This is the reality now.

To wonder if another attack is inevitable is a waste of time. It will happen again. Multiple attacks. And I believe it will happen in the subway. Its just too vulnerable. There is no way to prevent a chemical/bio attack down there without frisking every rider (millions daily). Its just too easy for the enemy and greatly affective. All we can do is prepare for it, anticipate it and act when it does happen. In the meantime, I envy all who live away from here. Count your blessings.

[PATH]

Waiting for the other shoe to drop. It is not a matter of if but when. North of New York the dummycrat judges are trying to keep people from getting a CCW. "We must be weak" is their motto. The people who don't want to defend themselves are right on the front lines. Yes, they certainly are sheeple!

NYC sucks and now it sucks even more!:fire: :cuss:

[bad_dad_brad]

Maybe it is not so bad to live on the sleepy snowy prairie of downstate Illinois.

[pax]

Sucks to be you guys.

Sometimes I feel that the rest of America treats us as if we were another country...That makes me sad.
New York is another country. Hillary feels at home there, but I don't think she would find any of the southern, midwest, or mountain states nearly so amenable as a home base for her continuing political plans. The culture in NY is almost as self-absorbed and self-fixated as the one in LA/Hollywood -- and that is saying quite a bit.

I just wish they understood that a large portion of New Yorkers are just as red,white and blue as the rest of America.
If there are 'red, white, and blue' New Yorkers, no one outside the city limits has ever heard from them. I wonder if anyone inside the city limits has heard from them, either? If they exist, they should get together and scream from the rooftops. If they are as numerous as you say, they could capture the city and turn it back over to America.

NA26 said, I am going to find a way by hook or by crook to get a carry permit at least for NYC.
I think "by crook" is the most likely effectual method there. ;)

pax

I think that's how Chicago got started. A bunch of people in New York said, 'Gee, I'm enjoying the crime and the poverty, but it just isn't cold enough. Let's go west.' -- Richard Jeni

[jmbg29]

jmbg29, Feeling better now?No. Millions of my fellow Americans are rolling over like a submissive whelp of a pup hoping that if they show their soft, weak little bellys, that the death-cult nuts will say "Awww..." and give them a belly rub. GRRRRR! :cuss: nothing will change until another massive crisis occurs.If once wasn't more than enough, twice won't mean a thing. Unless of course you count the number of lawsuits that those :cuss: start. In typical liberal fashion they will sue us for what they were unwilling to face up to.

A friend of mine calls this phenomenon "The Tyranny Of The Invalid*" he describes the philosophy thus "What's wrong with me is your fault!" An example would be someone that pokes themselves in the eye with a fork while eating spaghetti. It isn't because they are a spaz - oh no - it is because the rest of us didn't force "Big Spaghetti" to put legible warning lables on each individual piece of spaghetti.

Now had "Big Spaghetti" made each piece big enough to write on, said spaz would choke on it, and his family would in turn sue us for choking spaz, because we acted in collusion with "Big Spaghetti"! GAAAAAA!:banghead:The closer to war we get the more terror activity we'll see.We are already AT WAR! That is what these frigging clowns don't get! One bazillionth of a nano-second after the planes began to hit, we were at war. We should have been at war with the death-cult nuts 25 years ago! WAKE UP PEOPLE! They have never been shy about their motives and goals, NEVER! They give you only four choices, die, or convert, or DO NOTHING AND THEY WILL CHOSE FOR YOU, or kill them first. That's it! No room for negotiation. None! :fire::fire::fire:




* as in disabled, not in the congenital sense, but rather a person whose own weakness of character has enfeebled them.

[dinosaur]

Not picking on you. You offered your situation as an example. So did I. You`re not happy with things and are worried about your children. There are solutions. Staying isn`t one of them.

There are people who are in the big cities because that`s where most of the high paying jobs are. They can`t or won`t leave. I sincerely doubt many of them are thrilled working in Manhattan high rise office buildings.
I gave a couple of examples of stupidity, yours wasn`t one of them. Sorry if you think that`s the case.

You`ll notice I didn`t just laugh out loud about getting a legal CCW in NYC. I gave mine up when I moved. Normally I`d just carry but with the present climate there, it`s not worth the trouble.

[sonny]

Judging from some of the responses to this thread I was correct about the way others feel about NYC.
Enjoy your stance.....I am comfortable knowing that my friends, family and myself have served our country well and we ARE involved with plenty of RED WHITE AND BLUE activity.

jmbg29......wow!.....I hear what your'e saying but when I said a large portion of New Yorkers are just as RWB as the rest of the country....I MEANT IT!........take it or leave it.
Come on up and have lunch with the Hard Hats and you can judge for yourself.I think your opinion may change.

Funny...but so many NEW....NEW YORKERS are the children of the rest of America......In my building were I have lived for forty years there are only about 10% Original New Yorkers.And we all seem to feel the same on RED WHITE AND BLUE ISSUES.

So.......keep your rejects out of my city.....deal?

[jmbg29]

So.......keep your rejects out of my city.....deal?I'll see your city and raise it "our country". Bet's to you.

In my building were I have lived for forty years there are only about 10% Original New Yorkers.Well, there you go. City wide I would bet that the number of "real New Yorkers" (read that real Americans) isn't much higher. There goes the "large portion of New Yorkers" theory.

I can sympathize. 50% of my family is from the Port Chester/Greenwich area. Some of them are sheeple, or what biologists might call "lethal mutations" i.e. Too Stupid To Live. They would be dead in a week if the rest of us didn't provide the basic infrastructure for them.

I don't know what to tell you. I have tried to be prepared to defend my country since I was old enough to begin to appreciate all that members of my own family gave in terms of personal sacrifice, so that I could live in the greatest country on Earth. All I seem to be able to do now is rage at my fellow Americans that live in denial, while my heart breaks for our country.

My hope is that greater minds than my own will unlock the secret to reaching the mind of the sheeple. It can't be genetics, my berserker's rage has always served me well. And yet I have cousins that could be pimp-slapped to the ground by angry 3rd graders.

What ever you do, try to stay safe.:( :( :(

[sonny]

I would like to formally change my statement,
Instead of (A large portion of NYers)......(A whole lot of)...........
Better?
I don't know the exact #'s....but all I was trying to say was that the media does not tell the whole story,and unless you have been in the local tavern's,police stations,fire houses,constuction sites,shooting ranges, etc, etc......the picture is not complete.
We are a rough bunch in NYC and have fought along with the rest of the USA in every war since the begining,it's usually the same crowd doing the dirty work around here but we are PROUD and as AMERICAN as the rest.....believe it.
I ask you to take my word for it.....you decide.

[jmbg29]

I ask you to take my word for it.....you decide.I've been to N.Y.C., so I know what you mean, but you guys are so heavily outnumbered that it's not even funny. No death-cult nut is ever going to percieve the subtle difference in "some" New Yorkers. They see only the big picture. Hint: the picture consists of concentric circles.

It doesn't help that Americans have been sending their kids to Kommie Indoctrination Kamps for the past 30 years. Some kid gets a degree in Underwater Basketweaving, and the next thing you know he's on a plane to N.Y. or L.A. to make his mark in the world of underwater basketweaving. After 10 years of partying with fellow ignorant, brainwashed, degenerates, he settles down and prepares to send his offspring to indoctrination camp. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Want a Bachelor of Arts degree?

Answer the following:

1. Who is at fault for everything in the world?


If you answered: America - you have graduated Cum Laude.

If you answered: White Americans - you have graduated Magna cum laude.

If you answered: Conservative White Americans - you have graduated Summa Cum Laude and are immediately eligible for a fellowship at the Graduate Indoctrination Kamp of your choice.

Only the most rare, head-on-straight-to-begin-with kids make it out of those dens of iniquity with a clue. The rest immediately begin to graze and await being fleeced by their masters.

Teach a sheep to graze and you'll fleece forever.:banghead:

[sonny]

jmbg29,
You are a trip:) ..........I agree with you and you're perspective on these matters........it seems that everyone thinks that they are destined for greatness...... at what?....dunno:confused: ....
Actors....writers...poets.....um? I mean waitors and waitresses never did an honest days work in their lives......I know for a fact that many of their parents pay their rent and they have no concept of reality yet they know the answers to the worlds problems......until you confront them and ask them to be specific on ......well.....anything.
I recently had a conversation with one of the protestors who said GWB was responsible for the deaths of millions of Iraqis and asked her to be more specific ....she said I f you don't know you'll never know.....OK.......When I asked her who she admired as a leader or president ...past or present ....she replied Nelson Mandela......when I asked what country he was from she said it did not matter.......so I offered to buy her whole crew drinks for the entire evening if she knew.......her response.....Africa :rolleyes:

P.S. I mean no disrespect to those who have been responsible contributers to society in the above mentioned proffesions

[AnklePocket]

New Jersey seems to get the rap for being the most liberal, "anti" state in the country and for good reason. But many of those who I speak with in my daily work routine seem to be for the 2nd Amendment and all other good stuff that we're talking about here. So, it seems as though the numbers aren't adding up.
I do have a sense that there's many more good people than we're given credit for and I plan on uncovering the root of our problems. The complacent masses become less so under threat of terrorism. The idiots of my neighborhood have their entire homes duck taped, but at least they're starting to take on a form of personal responsibility.
I'd say that the missing link is good leadership and, who knows, maybe it's coming. Either way I strongly feel that many in New Jersey and New York are beginning to assume personal responsibility for their own well being in whatever manner that they feel is necessary while otherwise maintaining their law-abiding status. I say good for them. They are real Americans in the truest sense of the words and I'm honored to be living among them.

[NeverAgain26]

Dinosaur: I am sorry if I took offense where none was meant.

To all the other posters: I think I will stay here. It is my own, small personal victory against terrorist scum. When it is all over (whenever that may be, but it will be), I will be still standing and they will not.

I have a fairly good line into a legal CCW for NYC I am working on. I believe (I might be naive in this) that I will get a NJ CCW as well (don't ask me any questions and I will tell you no lies ;) ).

New York has a lot of meat heads (a couple hundred thousand of them if you believe CNN's report on Saturday's rally), but there are a lot of good, decent folk here as well. A lot of them have a fighting spirit, too. Unfortunately, it takes a lot to kindle it and keep it lit. New Jersey, as AnklePocket mentioned, also has a lot of good people here as well.

I hear a lot of people led by the media's take on all this saying terrorism will increase once we hit Iraq. Well, we went into the vipers nest in Afghanistan and we were not afraid of increased terrorism then. I am not saying terror will not increase. It might. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst is a good modus operandi in this situation.

Terror will strike us again, but we cannot be paralyzed in fear of it. The Israelis live with it daily and they are not running from it or giving up in the face of this. They are going after the source and not letting fear rule their lives.

Americans are a resilient lot. Unfortunately, we have a lot of naive people in our midst who we can't count on in a crisis. The few who stand strong will carry the day. Think on how many people you know personally who would come if called when they were really needed. True Americans will be there when needed. Time after time, this has been proven.

NA26