Fascism, corruption and my 'Democratic' Party


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Rebeldon
July 4, 2004, 12:38 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16391

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capt_happypants
July 4, 2004, 12:58 PM
That's a wonderful read.

I would be interested in finding out how many of the Howling Moonbats of the left had traumatic childhoods.

ravinraven
July 4, 2004, 01:56 PM
An excellent article.

What the writer says is exactly what I've been thinking about what's happening to the Dems. Elsewhere I've noted that college prof friends of mine have left the Dem party. One even became a Rep!

I've jabbered a little on a local talk show and have had people [during the "impeachment" thing] call in and say they were ashamed of the Dems and were leaving the party.

We need a two party system. Not one party trying to pull us forward and the other trying to pull us into who knows what.

rr

GeneC
July 4, 2004, 02:23 PM
NO, WE DON'T NEED JUST TWO PARTIES. One only needs to study history to see the overall picture here. I'm sure Thomas Jefferson would FREAK OUT if he saw how his party has turned out. The general public thinks they can rule themselves, can they? Then the Republican 'elite' thinks they know what's good for America, but so does the Libertarians and the Greens. Who's right? Who knows? I've been in this Countrry for almost 50 years and I think that Govt should have 3 people in every position, a Dem, a Rep and an Indy. Every decision'd require 2/3 vote and'd represent the majority, the MOST one 'd expect in this world. Isn't that what democracy's all about?

How many people here read the link and IMMEDIATELY thought, "Well, that's only ONE man's opinion."?

SIGarmed
July 4, 2004, 02:56 PM
Democracy? I thought it was a Republic. This is where the problem starts.

GeneC
July 4, 2004, 03:08 PM
Sigarmed, define Republic.

Jim March
July 4, 2004, 03:51 PM
He forgot to say "Constitutional Republic".

THAT is what we are. OR are supposed to be.

We aren't a pure democracy because "we the people" can't do whatever we want. We're limited by our nation's original charter, which is deliberately difficult to modify and even harder to scrap.

GeneC
July 4, 2004, 04:16 PM
Thankyou sir, a constitutional Republic, which exhalts representation, but so does a democracy. THAT(if there is a problem, and there IS a problem) is the problem. The whole concept of representation can be manipulated.

Btw, if you're a historian, you know that pure Democracy was practiced in ancient Athens and the Spartens handed their 'Kumbaya" heads in their hands.


Btw, where does it say republican in the Constitution? http://www.federalist.com/histdocs/constitution.htm

Standing Wolf
July 4, 2004, 09:42 PM
We need a two party system. Not one party trying to pull us forward and the other trying to pull us into who knows what.

Nope. We need four or five parties, all yelling and screaming and hopping up and down and fighting tooth and claw. Messy? Yes. Representative? Much more likely!

Destructo6
July 5, 2004, 12:12 AM
Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
And if you've read it, the constitution spells out a form of government that conforms to the usual definition of a republic:
Main Entry: re·pub·lic
Pronunciation: ri-'p&-blik
Function: noun
Etymology: French république, from Middle French republique, from Latin respublica, from res thing, wealth + publica, feminine of publicus public -- more at REAL, PUBLIC
1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit <the French Fourth Republic>
2 : a body of persons freely engaged in a specified activity <the republic of letters>
3 : a constituent political and territorial unit of the former nations of Czechoslovakia, the U.S.S.R., or Yugoslavia
Btw, if you're a historian, you know that pure Democracy was practiced in ancient Athens and the Spartens handed their 'Kumbaya" heads in their hands.
Democracy of the elite males, sure.

Polybius went through this democracy/republic thing quite some time ago. You might want to look at some of his writings, the Founding Fathers sure did.

GeneC
July 5, 2004, 07:55 AM
Shoot, I have a hard enough time keeping up with the writings of our Founding Fathers and trying to get this Govt to refer to the Constitution.

Interesting ,the definition of Democracy is almost the same as Republic: de·moc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: di-'mä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dEmokratia, from dEmos + -kratia -cracy
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges


The problem,imo, is while both Parties hold the most basic definition , they both have morphed into other things. To me, the Democratic party = Socialism and the Republican = elitism, both getting further and further away from the Constitution.

Carnitas
July 5, 2004, 07:15 PM
That's amazing. Even more so that, even four years after it was written, its still very on-point.

RevDisk
July 5, 2004, 08:32 PM
I think to think of myself as a "moderate" Democrat. Constitution above all. It is the heart and the soul of America. America will never be an idealic paradise, because it is a reflection of humanity. Humanity has many dark aspects. The idea is to weaken the dark aspects, and strength the more noble aspects.

Sadly, yes, a lot of top democrats have lost their way. They've grown used to power. They do not see themselves as guardians of the Constitution nor servents of the people. It will not be easy ridding the Democrats of the "bad eggs". Indeed, who will do so?


I am not going to mindlessly attack the Republicans and say "They are just as bad!". I merely will say, the problem goes beyond just the Democratic Party and I think most people know it. To focus just on the bad people in one party misses the point.

Drjones
July 6, 2004, 02:37 PM
Wow.

Long, but well worth it!

GeneC
July 6, 2004, 06:12 PM
RevDisc, what a well thought out noncommittal generalization. Do you represent your Party? So are you saying that the 'bad' Candidates do NOT represent your party9 they just happen to be in there) , or that your Party would not elect a 'bad' candidate, or is the Platform to blame? Don't each Party have a convention to elect the person who most represents that Parties platform, or do they elect the "most likely to succeed" and then deal with the 'bad' elements later? I agree that noone should engage in mindless attacks, especially on another party. I believe all attacks should indeed be mindfull. Having bad people at the top is exactly the point. Btw, don't think that anyone pointing out the bad people don't have most points in mind.

TimH
July 6, 2004, 11:25 PM
There should be no parties. Each candidate should run on their beliefs and stat them. If they don't stick by what they say they get impeached. All political offices should be filled this way.

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