Democrats shunned war hero. Refused 4th-of-July ceremony, citing religious, politica


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Desertdog
July 4, 2004, 06:02 PM
THE RED, WHITE AND BLUE
California GOP: Democrats shunned war hero
Refused 4th-of-July ceremony, citing religious, political views

Posted: July 3, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39266


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

The California State Assembly's Democratic leadership refused to allow a Vietnam war hero and former U.S. senator to join in a 4th-of-July ceremony, citing "separation of church and state" concerns and his political views, according to Assemblyman John Campbell.

Jeremiah Denton at Clark Air Force Base in 1973 after 8 years in a North Vietnamese prison.

After hearing about the rejection, Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger offered his meeting room Monday for a ceremony with retired Adm. Jeremiah Denton, which was packed to overflowing.

Campbell said the Assembly has arranged for many "celebrations" on the floor orchestrated by Democrats, with singing and dancing, including Cinco de Mayo, St. Patrick's Day and Chinese New Year's Day.

"But never once have we celebrated America's Independence Day, the 4th of July," he said.

So this year, Republican Assemblyman Jay LaSuer of San Diego arranged for Denton to come to California to participate in an Independence Day ceremony.

A memo from the Democratic speaker's office, however, said "problems have arisen both with regards to the spirit, content and participation of various individuals with regard to the ceremony."

The Democrats said Denton did not believe in the "separation of church and state," and they didn't like the policies he supported as a senator.


Jeremiah Denton meeting with President Reagan during Senate service in the 1980s.

Denton was a Navy pilot who spent eight years in a Vietnamese prison after being shot down during the war. In 1966 while in prison, he was interviewed by North Vietnamese television in Hanoi after being tortured in an attempt to make him "respond properly."

During the interview, Denton blinked his eyes in Morse code to spell out the word "torture."

He was asked about his support for the war in Vietnam, to which he replied, "I don't know what is happening now in Vietnam, because the only news sources I have are Vietnamese. But whatever the position of my government is, I believe in it, I support it, and I will support it as long as I live."

Four of his eight years in prison were spent in solitary confinement, which he later recounted in his book, "When Hell was in Session."

When Denton stepped off a plane after being released from prison in 1973, he said, "We are honored to have had the opportunity to serve our country in difficult circumstances. We are profoundly grateful to our commander-in-chief for this day. God bless America."

He later was elected to the U.S. Senate from his home state of Alabama, becoming the first retired admiral ever elected to that body.

"Suffice it to say," Campbell said, "Jeremiah Denton is unquestionably an American hero."

Campbell said the Assembly had a 20-minute ceremony during its session Monday, but it was to celebrate the career of a retiring Los Angeles Times reporter. Democrats universally praised the reporter as being "balanced," Campbell said, and he was allowed to speak for about 10 minutes.

"Four years of Cinco De Mayo and not one recognition of the 4th of July," Campbell said. "An L.A. Times reporter praised, and the very person whose sacrifice allows him to express his opinion is banned. It is perverse. It is wrong. And it is disrespectful to all the men and women in uniform who have stared death in the face and to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for the American people."

Campbell said Democrats are "always railing about intolerance and discrimination," but "in practice, it is they who engage in regular state-sanctioned discrimination and who are intolerant of the presentation of other views. Maybe they are worried that people will listen."

Meanwhile, in Gov. Schwarzenegger's meeting room Monday, Campbell said, Denton "gave a very moving speech about the 4th of July and about the undeniable commitment of our Founding Fathers' to their faith in God."

Denton said he fears partisan attacks on the U.S. mission and troops in Iraq and Afghanistan sound too familiar to what he experienced in Vietnam.

After his speech, attended by only one elected Democrat, Schwarzenegger came out to spend time with Denton, Campbell said.

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71Commander
July 4, 2004, 06:30 PM
Maybe Conan learned something.:fire:

w4rma
July 4, 2004, 07:35 PM
Sen. John McCain spent years in a Vietnam POW camp. That didn't stop the Republican leadership from spreading false rumours about his sanity and false rumours about fathering an illegitimate "colored" child during the 2000 primary against Bush.

Also, the Democratic Party has a Vietnam veteran running for President, right now. And a potential Secretary of State or Vice President who also served in Vietnam (General Clark).

Don Gwinn
July 4, 2004, 07:46 PM
W4rma, no cut-and-paste? Replying to a post? Are you feeling all right?
;)


I agree with you, by the way. The Democrats clearly have nothing against war heroes as long as they're willing to make public spectacles of accusing their comrades and themselves of war crimes. It's only war heroes who don't hate themselves and call American soldiers criminals and cowards the Democrats won't abide.

w4rma
July 4, 2004, 07:51 PM
Don Gwinn, the war criminals are the mostly Republican politicians who have been leading this quagmire from the safety of their comfortable homes here in America. Not the soldiers overseas who are following their orders, imho. The specific case I refer to is the treatment of Iraqi prisoners where some privates in the Army are being (or have been) court martialed even though they were following orders passed down from some of these politicians.

FedDC
July 4, 2004, 08:17 PM
W4- Every time I read one of your posts, I just keep looking for the link to the DU website...

w4rma
July 4, 2004, 08:55 PM
There is one in my profile, FedDC.

Justin
July 4, 2004, 09:09 PM
Sen. John McCain spent years in a Vietnam POW camp. That didn't stop the Republican leadership from spreading false rumours about his sanity... Waitasec. You mean to say that there are people out there who aren't aware of the fact that McCain is a flipped-out authoritarian nutbag?

:scrutiny:

There is one in my profile, FedDC. I think FedDC was being facetious.

Standing Wolf
July 4, 2004, 09:36 PM
...the Democratic Party has a Vietnam veteran running for President, right now. And a potential Secretary of State or Vice President who also served in Vietnam (General Clark).

Fortunately, they're both socialist parasites, so America isn't going to elect either of them.

deej
July 5, 2004, 02:19 AM
Didn't the Democrats have a draft-dodger running for President a few years (um, 12) back? And didn't he do fairly well?

So what does Vietnam War performance have to do with Presidential suitability? Oh, nothing? Right.

DJ

sharpie613
July 5, 2004, 03:47 AM
Wow!

You mean Kerry was in Vietnam? I had no idea!


:rolleyes:

jdkelly
July 5, 2004, 08:33 AM
As I said when Clinton was first elected, the problem with lowering the bar (electing a draft dodging exdrug user) is that it allows the other party the use of the same standard. That standard produced Bush II.

The Democrats, by defending Clintons draft dodging status as irrelevant to running for president, greatly weakens the Kerry camp's "War hero" status as relevant for running for president.

So, the Democrats by their own actions in electing and defending Clinton have nullified (to a large extent) Kerry's only significiant accomplishment (5 months in Vietnam).


Respectfully,

jdkelly

Sergeant Bob
July 5, 2004, 11:43 AM
Sen. John McCain spent years in a Vietnam POW camp. That didn't stop the Republican leadership from spreading false rumours about his sanity and false rumours about fathering an illegitimate "colored" child during the 2000 primary against Bush.
I take it you have proof the Rep. leadership was spreading those rumours?
So, what exactly does that have to do with the Democrats (the party of tolerance and diversity) excluding a war hero and former Senator from an Independence Day ceremony because of his religious and moral convictions?

Are they afraid they might catch some of it?

Also, the Democratic Party has a Vietnam veteran running for President, right now. And a potential Secretary of State or Vice President who also served in Vietnam (General Clark).
For their service, I'll give them a +1.

For what they've done since, I'll give them a -1.

(+)1 + (-)1 = 0

Leatherneck
July 5, 2004, 01:52 PM
You mean Kerry was in Vietnam? I had no idea! Yeah...as briefly as possible.:fire:

TC
TFL Survivor

feedthehogs
July 5, 2004, 02:07 PM
You know this was not about politics.
It was about honoring a Vietnam POW on our nations birthday.

But the Democrats had to make it political, as do the Republicans at times.

It was a black eye to this POW who served his country with honor during the war and afterwards. I am ashamed.

Those who serve and go on to dismantle the very roots this country was founded on, deserve neither honor or respect.

Honor is a lifetime commitment, not a 1 year tour of duty.

Judas McCain is proof of this.

fix
July 5, 2004, 02:33 PM
Ok let's drop the argument about who has the best war hero and focus on the fact that the California legislature celebrates 5th o de May-O but not the 4th of July...oh. :uhoh:

Am I the only one who thinks tar, feathers, and a railroad tie are called for? If this happened in Georgia you might very well see armed men marching on the capitol!!!

stevelyn
July 5, 2004, 09:15 PM
Why is this unusual? Everybody already knows ********** is a reclaimed Mexican province. The Assembly has already proven it.

R.H. Lee
July 5, 2004, 09:21 PM
Congratulations. We didn't let w4rma derail this thread with the usual "when you've lost an argument set up a straw man and attack that" manipulation.

There is no "separation of church and state" constitutional principle. It's another demogogue straw man.

4570Rick
July 5, 2004, 11:54 PM
If I might borrow a little technique of w4rma's;
the war criminals are the mostly Republican politicians who have been leading this quagmire from the safety of their comfortable homes here in America.
Like William C. who fired more cruise missiles at Covermyindiscressionsistan Than were launched during Desert Storm. :uhoh:



















Ooh, that's gunna leave a mark.:D

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