Springfield XD or HK USP?


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Lone
July 6, 2004, 01:27 AM
I'm tryin to decide what to buy and I've come to these two. I'd like to hear some advice/reviews from real people on one or both.

Thanks
Lone

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SnakeEater
July 6, 2004, 01:42 AM
This is probably only gonna be answered after you shoot each one. I've never owned an XD, that being said all of the reviews and the owners are singing their praises. I have owned (own) some USP's. They are great pistols that will work every time, although I believe a tad overpriced. Don't forget SIG.

Mylhouse
July 6, 2004, 01:49 AM
A USP is going to have better precision IMO.

Plinkerton
July 6, 2004, 03:47 AM
From holding both of them at a store, I liked the USP much more, though, I haven't shot a USP, so I really can't give you any helpful advice... For some reason though, I felt I had to post a reply... :scrutiny:

bendable
July 6, 2004, 08:47 AM
The X D when it comes out in .45 G A P ,
if you HAVE to have something right now ,
the U S P in .45 acp.

or
both when you can afford them:D

New_comer
July 6, 2004, 08:57 AM
Close to 5000 on my USP9, no hiccups. All types of bullets, including lead


Much more accurate than I am. Won't hesitate on getting a 45USP...


That is, if the wallet permits ;)

rick_reno
July 6, 2004, 09:07 AM
I have two 45's that have been 100% reliable - a H&K USP and Les Baer. All my others (Colts, Kimbers, Sigs and Glocks) have had a problem.

Boats
July 6, 2004, 09:24 AM
Either way you end up with an ugly plastic pistol. The main difference is one of the makers doesn't overcharge you for it.

I'd rule out the HK not only for the obvious reasons that many do, but also because of the nearly retarded safety lever if you choose to carry one C&L. Up is "safe," down is "fire," even more down is "accidental decock under stress."

I briefly had a USPc .45 a handful of years ago I gladly sold mainly because of that "feature."

pauli
July 6, 2004, 09:46 AM
whichever one fits your hand better...

bradvanhorn
July 6, 2004, 10:15 AM
No matter which you choose, you'll get a great gun, but I'd recommend the XD over the HK. I've had three HKs; all are gone. I have four XDs, and I'm looking for more.

* Both are big guns, but the HK seems even more big and "blocky" than the XD; the HK seems to have a lot more sharp edges as well.
* I think the XD has a better grip/grip angle, and the mag release is easier and faster.
* The HK has a slightly higher bore axis relative to the grip, and since you can't get the web of the hand as high on the HK, I think the HK delivers more felt recoil.
* Both are easy to take apart and maintain.
* I think the trigger pull on the XD is marginally better than the HK.
* The HK is wildly overpriced in my opinion; XD prices are fairly reasonable.
* If you want a true 45, the HK is the only option.

I am faster and more accurate with the XD than the HK, because the XD simply fits me better. Not everyone has the same results, which is why you really should try them both before you buy.

Good Luck!

creighton1
July 6, 2004, 10:20 AM
I'm new here, in fact I think this is my first post, but my two cents ought to spend the same as anyone elses. I agree with what's already been stated, before you take the leap and spend you hard-earned money on either an SA XD or HK USP you should hold and fire both and then get the one that feels the most comfortable to you. Whatever your choice, I don't think you can go wrong.

That having been said, I own two XD's (XD-9 and XD-40) and would not hesitate to purchase another. In fact when the .45 GAP is available I have a sneaky suspicion there'll be one with my name on it. They are very accurate out of the box, and in my experience and gauging from other's posts, very reliable. I've put about 5000 rounds combined through my XD's and never once had a hiccup in either. I also tend to like the grip safeties on the XD's. I've seen a lot of debate in one forum or another re: whether the grip safety is a hindrance or not, but in my experience I've found that I really don't even notice it's there.

You'll be happy with whatever you choose I'm sure. You could get two XD's for the price of one USP, maybe then you'd be twice as happy.

WhoKnowsWho
July 6, 2004, 10:51 AM
I have both the XD40 and USP40 decock only.

Both feel good in the hand, the angle agrees with me on both of them. The checkering on the plastic is a bit sharper feeling on the USP.

I prefer the mag release on the USP, it is faster for me to reach as I do not have to shift my grip to hit it. To eject a fully loaded mag in the XD takes a ton of pressure. The XD mag release is more a standard design, though both are ambidextrous. Some people don't like the paddle type release of the USP(same on the P99).

The USP feels a bit blockier in the slide, though both are more blockish than most pistols anyways.

The USP has a polygonal grooved barrel, so no-no on lead. Though my USP is one of the first that came out, so it has a standard land and groove barrel. Neither have a history of kabooms, but if you hotrod the .40 S&W, nothing will be safe.

The XD trigger feels a bit squishier than the SA trigger on the USP. Maybe it will be better after a couple 100 more rounds. The trigger on the USP feels wider too, which is helpful for the first full double action shot. I don't have a problem firing quickly with either one. The reset feels about the same on both.

There is no safety on my USP, just decock. So no confusing up for safe, like a 1911, and down for fire and more down for decock. Though there are tons of options for the safety type (decock only, safe and off safe only, D/A only). And now, you have the option for the LEM type trigger on the USP which is more like a SA only type function (like a Para Ordnance LDA the internal hammer is already cocked, so though you have to pull the trigger a full Double Action distance, the weight to pull it back is much much lighter, more like a Single Action pull). Though I am not sure if there is a second strike ability (hammer falls, no boom, pull trigger again?) in an emergency though, loading the next round would probably be better anyways. The XD is simple in that there are just the normal slide release and mag release. With the added striker cocked indicator (kinda like a hammer is cocked, you can see it) and loaded chamber indicator (the new USPs, the extractor functions as a loaded chamber indicator).

Accuracy, most magazine reviews give the edge to the USP. The XD is combat accurate, the USP can easily be made match accurate on top of its already great accuracy. Though you do pay for it.

Recoil, the double spring recoil design on the USP40 works wonders. It is the only .40 my wife will shoot, it works so well you can feel it slow down the slide. The XD is a bit snappier, but not painfull, though there is enough of a difference so my wife doesn't want to fire it much. She can fire the USP all day, and has, as I have stood there and loaded the mags for her.

Price, used USPs are usually pretty reasonable around here, I would never buy one new. My piece cost $469 with night sights and nickel (not stainless) slide. My XD40 Stainless was $450 like new. Mags for the USP are pricey though, cheapest I have found for 10 rounders is $29. Hopefully high caps will drop in price after the ban, instead of $69 and up. The XD has the bonus of being able to use Beretta mags with a simple modification. Though I don't know about the 40 caliber one. Putting a 9mm Beretta 92 mag in the XD40 bent a feed lip because of the ejector hitting it.

Both have been reliable but I haven't fired the XD much yet. I have put about 1000 rounds through my USP but only about 200 through the XD. Full metal jacket and lead semi wadcutters.

Looks, USP, sorry, I just like it a ton more in the looks department! Though the stainless XD doesn't look like it was hit with the ugly stick like the OD green XD.

Good luck, try and fire both, but both are fine in the end I think.

Rival
July 6, 2004, 11:09 AM
I'd rule out the HK not only for the obvious reasons that many do, but also because of the nearly retarded safety lever if you choose to carry one C&L. Up is "safe," down is "fire," even more down is "accidental decock under stress."

I briefly had a USPc .45 a handful of years ago I gladly sold mainly because of that "feature."
Oh, now, that's BS. You can change out a safety on HK, takes 5 bloody minutes, swap one little part. You did not have to get rid of the gun.

gbourne
July 6, 2004, 11:53 AM
I love my USP45f. Never shot that other gun. You are as right as rain Rival. By the way Lone the usp 45f is a severe duty handgun. I am not sure the XD can handle the +P+ loads. The USP can and thats straight from the factory.

Boats
July 6, 2004, 12:21 PM
Oh, now, that's BS. You can change out a safety on HK, takes 5 bloody minutes, swap one little part. You did not have to get rid of the gun.

Ah yes, just go with Variant 9 or 10. I would have still had a very ugly and chunky gun that was uncomfortably stippled and had ridiculously priced spare magazines though.

I did say that I sold it mainly because of the Variant 1/2 safety, not that such was the only reason. Besides, why complain? Disenchantment with these uncompromising products is how almost every used H&K winds up on the secondary market. The remainder wind up there from individual microeconomic misfortune no doubt.

Frenchy
July 6, 2004, 12:41 PM
My experience has been with the HS/XD line of pistols. I've carried my duty piece for over 3 years & 10,000 plus round without malfunction.
I simply trust the gun!

Lone
July 7, 2004, 01:50 AM
I went to look at an XD today 4-in service model .40. It slipped into my hand like it was supposed to be there all along, it was a beautiful fit. It was $480 for the gun and 2 clips. is that a good price? I know the MSRP is 500 so I thought that was kinda high. any help?

WhoKnowsWho
July 7, 2004, 02:14 AM
is that a good price?

It really depends on where you are located. New 4" .40 S&W caliber model from one of my dealers is $433 but the wait for it could be a while. Used, I usually see them at about $400. Most shops have them new for around $450 for the standard finish.

Greg45
July 7, 2004, 12:54 PM
I took my USP45 and my Les Baer Premier II to the range last Saturday.
Fired approx. 150 rds. from each pistol. A combination of hardball and various types of hollowpoints. The USP was every bit as accurate as my LB.
Of course the trigger and ergonomics were'nt as good, and the recoil was a bit more, but it was just as accurate, and of course stone cold reliable.

Also, love the mag release on the USP's.

Kind of suprised me in the accuracy department. I gotta vote USP.

litework
July 7, 2004, 05:56 PM
Lone, it looks like you're leaning towards the XD. It is a solid pistol and I think you'll like it. I have a couple of XDs and a USP. Great guns. Polymer framed pistols represented a small portion of my collection until I got my concealed carry permit. Now roughly half my autos are polymer framed. They're not as pretty as stainless steel pistols, but I really didn't buy my carry pistol to match my belt buckle or shoes. Good luck with your selection!

Frenchy
July 7, 2004, 06:09 PM
You tend to look at these guns a little differently, when you start packing them on a daily basis! ;)

Jo Mama
July 7, 2004, 06:27 PM
For what its worth I own a xd9 subcompact and love it. A friend owns a usp compact 40 and i never liked it. I paid $415 in oregon for my xd.

kd7ctv
July 7, 2004, 07:40 PM
I haven't shot an XD yet but plan on getting one in the near future, I do however own a USP 9mm, the pistol is about 9 years old and has had almost 70,000 put through it, still fires like a dream and is straight and accurate with no malfunctions...

rv77
October 27, 2006, 07:17 PM
Hello,
I have had the Xd 45 shot it about 20 times or more but for me the Hk is it for me I sold my Xd and getting a USP 45 full its fits my had a lot better plus for the 45 xd is a lot heaver but thats just me like everyone say try them both and and you will see what works for you everyone is different....
I still like the XD over the glock though hands down

XDKingslayer
October 27, 2006, 07:37 PM
Wow, you dug up a 2 year old thread on your 2nd post. That's gotta be some sort of record.

Boats
October 27, 2006, 07:46 PM
Resurrection is fun.

It's a hot night. My mind races. A 17 hour flight to La Paz is etched in red traces on my eyeballs. I had packed my HK USP .40S&W with its captured recoil buffer system and Peters Stahlish lock up. I had two of its priceless magazines in a futuristic custom Bladetech retention system. Sweat trickles down the small of my back, saturating my black lock-knit HK polo shirt and it threatens to soak my Royal Robbins Khaki travel pants. Good thing I am carrying strong-side. My feet are resilient in my Himalayan walking shoes. I thumb the decocker--or is it the safety? I can never tell and in the thin air I vow once again to never admit to anyone it might bother me.

Against a haze of air starved bugs and the cacaphony of a strange tongue clawing its way into the oxygenless atmosphere, I feel the Hostile Environment finish on the lever of the USP where I have it hidden from prying eyes. I try to reassure myself about my beyond top secret assignment. I feel the stippled black polymer--never call it plastic--and it feels like money--or at least like a credit card chewed upon by a teething kitten.

Nevertheless I feel better now. If I ever have to shoot from the bottom of an outhouse, the inside of a fish processing ship, Pamela Lee's boudoir--any repellant place at all--I have been reassured by the Company and literally thousands of internet street pros that I carry the final say in handguns. Tension is in the air, maybe I will torture my pistol before the dawn breaks. Maybe I will be tortured myself. . . .

Thirty hours later, lost near the Rio Camblaya following the coup attempt, a welcoming smile. Thank God she spotted the epaulettes on the Norwegian ice-fishing vest concealing my USP. I climb aboard the helo on my way to my next exotic assignment, my HK having proven itself in "combat" once again without firing a shot in anger. . . .

The World of Compromise Uncompromisingly cries out to my inner poseur. . . beckoning to me to tell the world of the superiority of my sidearm.

possum
October 27, 2006, 07:48 PM
i personally love the xd's more than any other semi auto handgun out there. when it comes to the h&k's i never plan on buying one unless I find one reduced significantly. i just don't see where the h&k is that much better than the xd's for the money. I think the xd is the best handgun value out there today and well worth what they cost. I would rather save the money on an h&k and have an xd and alot of ammo, to shoot!

10-Ring
October 27, 2006, 10:08 PM
HK USP! :cool:

Panthera Tigris
October 27, 2006, 10:26 PM
Hk is 2nd only to Glock on my list. I'd rate XDs third though.

default
October 27, 2006, 10:54 PM
Boats, I love that bit, it's truly a classic, but I must take issue on a couple things:

The difference in price between factory .40SW USP and XD magazines is less than two boxes of ammo - less than one if you're shooting some sort of premium JHPs. At worst a mild penalty for a USP owner and at best a minor benefit for an XD owner.

And the control lever doesn't have the HE finish - it's just plastic. Um, polymer. German polymer, sprinkled with fairy dust (Märchenstaub, as I prefer to call it), lovingly crafted by wise but martial elves in the heart of the Black Forest. :D

Iceman711
October 28, 2006, 02:13 AM
The only reason I would pick an XD over the USP is the price. If you can afford the USP, get it.

Caseless
October 29, 2006, 02:02 AM
Wow, truly an ancient thread. But it's HK related, so I'll jump in.
HK sales would have doubled if they had Boats as the marketing chief.:D

Get both, else the USP. German engineering vs. Croatian design. Since it's not a car, the German design is even uber reliable this time.:p

Wesker
October 29, 2006, 02:07 AM
Both guns are of about equal quality. However, having owned both I can say I never noticed any problems with either gun, and a XD can be had for about $400 less than a USP.

I'd go with the XD simply because it's cheaper.

History Prof
October 30, 2006, 12:08 AM
Hmmm... An OLD thread here. I'll chime in anyway:

I've fired an XD40, XD45, USP40 and USP45 (full sized on the USPs).

Both XDs are awsome. The USP40 is awsome. The USP45 is too big for my hands, and only holds 12 in the magazine. The XD45 holds 13. So my order of choice would be:

XD45 (reliable, cheaper than USP, comfortable to shoot, and it's a .45!)
USP40 (reliable, comfortable, emulates the 1911, double action, H&K quality PLUS it is my wife's favorite)
XD40 (all of the above on the XD45, but I like the 1911 emulation of the H&K, and it kicks more than the XD45)
USP45 (too darn big)

Autolycus
October 30, 2006, 12:18 AM
I know that this is old...

but if I was looking at a USP and an XD I would look into the P2000. The P2000 is an excellent gun for duty and CCW.

Jut my $0.02

marksman13
October 30, 2006, 12:37 AM
Just bought the Springfield XD Tactical .45cal with the 5 in barrel. Only 50 rounds through it but I absolutely love this gun! I already owned an XD subcompact in .40 cal which is a great gun. The H & K just didn't feel very balanced to me. 13 + 1 in a .45 ACP is hard to beat too.

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