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July 6, 2004, 01:56 AM
If you watch Stargate SG-1 then you know who Colonel O'Neil is. In the show, he uses a variety of firearms--including MP5's and P90's--to great effect, and with apparent glee. (I won't even start talking about how much he loves C4....)

However, the actor, Richard Dean Anderson, was once on the board of directors of Handgun Control, Inc. And, in a Sci-Fi channel special tonight (Monday night) regarding the spinoff Stargate Atlantis, he let it be known that he still doesn't think people should be allowed to own guns. :cuss:

You'd think that, after filming a TV show for 7 years in which oppressed people and slaves were only able to free themselves with weapons, that he might have gotten a clue. :fire:

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stealthmode
July 6, 2004, 04:36 AM
yes i saw it tonight also and am very disappointed in his statement. wherever they can get a soapbox they will start their rants.

:mad:

Cliff
July 6, 2004, 06:16 AM
I saw that also. I'm not surprised, I had heard that about him some years ago. Regardless, I still enjoy the show.

Dave Markowitz
July 6, 2004, 08:34 AM
I too saw it. I was a bit dissappointed but hardly surprised. Hypocrisy is the name of the game in Hollywierd.

That aside, it's still a great show.

ckyllo
July 6, 2004, 09:05 AM
take a look at Macguyver (sp) that was one of the most pro gun control shows on tv. he nearly refused to touch a gun in that show let alone fire one on the show. I remember he used a UZI as a pipe wrench even though there was ammo for it to stop a bad guy, very sad to see that happen to one of them.

flatrock
July 6, 2004, 11:18 AM
Maybe that's why he's getting more of a desk job in the 8th season. :)

I like the show, and am always happy to see that it's one show where they keep their fingers off the trigger unless they're ready to fire.

Travis McGee
July 6, 2004, 11:27 AM
Typical Hollwood hypocrite, makes his living blasting away with guns on film, lives in a gated community behind armed guards, but doesn't believe the peasants should also be able to defend themselves.

denny
July 6, 2004, 12:38 PM
I watched it as well and caught last night's hour-long advertisement for both Stargate SG-1 season 8 and Stargate Atlantis.

Now, everyone so far has commented upon RDA's comments, but no one has said anything about the new lead for Atlantis, Joe Flanigan who plays Major John Sheppard, innuendo about the guns being a replacement for small anatomy.

Comments?

GSB
July 6, 2004, 02:21 PM
Now, everyone so far has commented upon RDA's comments, but no one has said anything about the new lead for Atlantis, Joe Flanigan who plays Major John Sheppard, innuendo about the guns being a replacement for small anatomy.

I wonder if he drives a sports car or an SUV...

GSB
July 6, 2004, 02:24 PM
You'd think that, after filming a TV show for 7 years in which oppressed people and slaves were only able to free themselves with weapons, that he might have gotten a clue.

That's because it's just science fiction, silly. In the real world, no one is ever oppressed by tyrannical regimes who keep them disarmed and cowed.

Satch
July 6, 2004, 04:01 PM
Yeh, if all the Hollywood people who are anti would be real and refuse to do any films with firearms in them they would be unemployed most of the time. Dru Barrymore who was a little girl in ET made the later release of it without any guns present with the police in the movie. She also appeared in a movie called "Gun Crazy" in her teens when she needed money and some publicity. Talk about a fake.

papercut
July 6, 2004, 05:48 PM
Dru Barrymore who was a little girl in ET made the later release of it without any guns present with the police in the movie. She also appeared in a movie called "Gun Crazy" in her teens when she needed money and some publicity. Talk about a fake.

Dru Barrymore (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0077727/)? She's a porn star. Perhaps you meant Drew Barrymore (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000106/)... :p

I think both Barrymores are fakes. Both of them certainly prostitute themselves, just in slightly different ways.... :eek:

papercut
July 6, 2004, 05:52 PM
denny pointed out
no one has said anything about the new lead for Atlantis, Joe Flanigan who plays Major John Sheppard, innuendo about the guns being a replacement for small anatomy.

Comments?

I thought he was referring to Goa'uld staff weapons.... :what:

Cosmoline
July 6, 2004, 06:07 PM
Ironic. Anderson owes his career to a firearm, albeit one loaded with blanks. The actor first hired to play McGuiver shot himself with one while stupidly playing around.

hso
July 6, 2004, 07:10 PM
Actors portray characters doing things that they themselves might never do. If a pro-RKBA actor makes you believe that a charcter on the screen is anti gun in spite of their personal politics it's good acting. The opposite is as well. That's why they call it acting.

Mark whiz
July 6, 2004, 07:17 PM
Now, everyone so far has commented upon RDA's comments, but no one has said anything about the new lead for Atlantis, Joe Flanigan who plays Major John Sheppard, innuendo about the guns being a replacement for small anatomy

Comments like those are typically made by those WITH small anatomy!!! :what:

Personally, my M1A has Nothing on me in that area!!! :what: :neener:

gunsmith
July 6, 2004, 07:25 PM
innuendo about the guns being a replacement for small anatomy

People who spew that generally are insecure about their own sexuality

Kodiak AK
July 6, 2004, 07:42 PM
Cosmoline
Ironic. Anderson owes his career to a firearm, albeit one loaded with blanks. The actor first hired to play McGuiver shot himself with one while stupidly playing around.

Are you talking about that Eric something or other guy that did Cover shot I think it was? The theme song was "I need a Hero."
:confused:

BryanP
July 6, 2004, 08:16 PM
Are you talking about that Eric something or other guy that did Cover shot I think it was? The theme song was "I need a Hero."

John Erik Hexum

Bryan "font of useless knowledge" P.

DMK
July 6, 2004, 08:27 PM
If you watch Stargate SG-1 then you know who Colonel O'Neil is. In the show, he uses a variety of firearms--including MP5's and P90's--to great effect, and with apparent glee. Even within the plotline of the show they love to keep bringing up how O'Neil's son killed himself accidently with the Berretta that the Colonel kept in his home(unsecured, a fact that they never mention).

However, the show does have some exceptional realism in how firearms are employed. They even use simunitions(albiet those enhanced with alien technology) for training.

Lochaber
July 6, 2004, 08:37 PM
What really stinks is that I like his characters. I am a big fan of SG-1 it always irks me that he is an idiot, though it seems that the show creators are not letting him bring that into the show.

However his anti-gun stance is only the smallest part of his idiotic mind set. R.D.A sits on the board of "Sea Shepherd Conservation Society" which sounds sweet enough unless you know what that "Society" is. SSCS is the group of Paul Watson, an actual honest to God pirate who spends his time sinking boats he doesnt approve of and then paints their name on his boat, which features a concrete filled bow designed for sinking ships. He does this while flying a skull and crossbones flag and armed with a fully auto AK-47. Good choice of guns, bad choice of a lifestyle. There is no way that guy's activities are anything but pure piracy and I really wish a US Navy Destroyer would find him one dark night in a deserted part of the sea.

You can read all about it at ActivistCash.com (http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/347). You should browse the rest of that site. It is fascinating

Loch

Don Gwinn
July 6, 2004, 10:12 PM
OK, if actors should be like their characters, try this one on for size:

Yes, RD Anderson is anti-gun and he plays the never-unarmed Jack O'Neill. Does a good job of it, too. But ya know who originally played O'Neill, in the film that established the story line about his son killing himself with his service pistol?

Kurt Russell, a fairly pure Libertarian who fondly recounted the satisfaction of telling his liberal Hollywood friends "NO, you can't borrow my guns!" during the L.A. riots! How could such a pro-gun actor let himself be cast in that storyline?

Because O'Neill is a really cool character and Stargate is a really cool story, which is also why Richard Dean Anderson is willing to touch icky guns.
(Plus they each get paid a bunch of money.)

denny
July 6, 2004, 10:30 PM
Mark whiz said

Comments like those are typically made by those WITH small anatomy!!!

And the Gunsmith said:

People who spew that generally are insecure about their own sexuality

Mw & GS, I was a bit surprised by his statement, but then, he looked down to his crotch... :what:

DMK, see this thread (http://tinyurl.com/3xg84) on the news group alt.tv.stargate-sg1.

And Don Gwinn, my family loves the movie, and wants to watch it at every opportunity.

papercut
July 6, 2004, 11:06 PM
Lochaber remarked:
it seems that the show creators are not letting him bring that into the show.
He *is* one of the show's creators. He's been Executive Producer since day 1, and IIRC is one of the main people who pushed to start the TV series.


Don Gwinn opined:
Yes, RD Anderson is anti-gun and he plays the never-unarmed Jack O'Neill. Does a good job of it, too. But ya know who originally played O'Neill, in the film that established the story line about his son killing himself with his service pistol?

Kurt Russell, a fairly pure Libertarian who fondly recounted the satisfaction of telling his liberal Hollywood friends "NO, you can't borrow my guns!" during the L.A. riots! How could such a pro-gun actor let himself be cast in that storyline?

Because O'Neill is a really cool character and Stargate is a really cool story, which is also why Richard Dean Anderson is willing to touch icky guns.
(Plus they each get paid a bunch of money.)
Oooh, I think I remember hearing that about Russell. Way cool. :D

Be careful with mixing up the spelling of the character's name, though. As Anderson (in character, on the show) said to a reporter: It's "O'Neill," with two L's. There's another Colonel O'Neil with only one L, and he has no sense of humor at all.

Yes, this means that I goofed the subjekt line and mispeled it two. Soo me.

forquidder
July 7, 2004, 12:09 AM
When I was a student in high school my biology teacher was the brother of

Richard Dean before Richard hit the big time. Bill was his name and he was

one of my first encounters with a true believer in the "enlightened

progressive" movement (i.e. leftist). He was involved in all the causes of

the movement at the time, zero population growth, etc., subtly pushing his

philosophy on his students and was one of the most juvenile, frustrated

and unhappy individuals I have ever met to the point of fist fights in the

hallway with students. Once while trying to convince me that an academic

choice I was making was a wrong one according to him and finding that his

arguements were having no effect he began to get irrate and started

murmuring coments about my mother under his breath. When I confronted

him about what he said, he refused to repeat it.

He was married to another teacher with whom he was subsequently

divorced and I heard that when he remarried, he took on his wifes name

and hyphenated his name (Anderson) into the middle. How cutting

edge. :rolleyes:

When I found out later that he was related to Richard Dean Anderson, I

had seen McGyver but had never noticed his real last name. My sister told

me they were brothers and when I thought about it, it made sense. The

same last name and they look like twins. So it doesn't surprise me that

Richard Dean Anderson would have a similar view.

Hkmp5sd
July 7, 2004, 06:48 AM
And now you know why I have never seen an episode of the TV version of Stargate or any other show in which Richard Dean Anderson participates.

Lochaber
July 7, 2004, 11:36 AM
Hkmp5sd, the sad part is that you are missing a great show. Stargate is a very good show and there are no anti-gun messages in it that I could find. And they sure use a lot of cool gun related gadgets.

Loch

Ed
July 7, 2004, 11:49 AM
Are you talking about that Eric something or other guy that did Cover shot I think it was? The theme song was "I need a Hero."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



John Erik Hexum

Bryan "font of useless knowledge" P.


Is that the same guy that was in Voyagers? The time traveling movie in the early 80's?

Nightfall
July 7, 2004, 01:19 PM
Maaaaaaaaan. I don't watch it regularly, but I always loved it when I did watch. O'Neill was my favorite character too. Now I'll only see "anti-gun hypocritical moron" when I look at it.

Another piece of entertainment ruined for me. Anybody wanna tell me Tom Hanks is an anti now? :(

MrAcheson
July 7, 2004, 01:24 PM
Anybody wanna tell me Tom Hanks is an anti now?

Last I checked Hanks was a hardline democrat and almost certainly votes anti.

Walking Wounded
July 7, 2004, 01:57 PM
Bah - to hell with the whole damn entertainment industry. Shoot your television

mattf7184
July 7, 2004, 07:11 PM
I am a big fan of the Stargate series. Many of the "cool" movies I like are full of anti gun idiots even though I still watch them. If it is good I will watch it, if I watch something else chances are there will be antigunners on it too...

mohican
July 8, 2004, 01:26 AM
For me, Stargate is almost unwatchable

SciFi made a big mistake, IMO, when they pulled FarScape instead of Stargate

SciFi channel, Imo is like the X-Files
Started off strong
Turned sour trying to appeal to the flake crowd

That is all

The_Antibubba
July 8, 2004, 01:33 AM
It's discouraging to know that an actor on a good show you enjoy is against something you believe in. But look at this particular show for just a moment.

First, as others have pointed out, the use of guns is fairly realistic (for a scifi show), and are obvious and appreciated. The portrayal of armed good guys up against a godlike enemy is a positive one. The weapons are neither maligned nor glorified; they are necessary tools in a dangerous line of work.

Second, the treatment and portrayal of military personnel is as balanced and fair as I've ever seen on a series. The "Army guys" aren't gung-ho buffoons. General Hammond is a fantastic mix of logical, strategic thinking, and caring for his people. And I can't think of a more balanced, competent female soldier/scientist as Major Carter. She's utterly professional, brilliant, has very human feelings for the Major (which she won't act on because it would be out of line). She comes to the rescue of the others at least as often as the other way around.

These people are a subtle recruiting video. I wish I had cable. :(

If RDA were working his "guns are bad" mojo into the show, it would be different. But this show is as pro-2A as anything out there, the writing and situations are fresh and creative, and if I'm ever anywhere where I can watch it, I will.

There are so many worse examples out there. We can't afford to lose sight of the big picture because of a minor irritation.

KaceCoyote
July 8, 2004, 02:25 AM
Farscape got pulled because the production company went bankrupt. Sci-fi is AS WE SPEAK shopping for a new production company to restart it. Apparently they have all the actors on contract STILL.

Stargate RAWKS. Anyone see how carter moved on to an M4 now? Yeewoo!

MAKOwner
July 8, 2004, 04:56 AM
Give me a break. All he says is below, obviously to a question asked about all the gunplay but the question is not aired:

"You know we are, after all in the airforce, and we weild those things. But I'm not a proponent of guns at all, quite the opposite. But yeah, you know there is a running joke about shooting any one of the larger pieces we have in there, is that everybody tends to get "wood". It may be balsa, but it's definitely wood... {smiles}"

This is not a huge antigun statement, and none of it was said in a typical antigunner venomous way. If anything he pretty well admits he and everyone else really enjoys shooting the guns...

I am unable to find the other supposedly antigun comment from the lead guy on the new show. All I see of him about weapons is a quick single line about getting to carry big artillery (with a shot of him with a SAW) and the comment that he probably needs a bigger gun after saying how he's killed a number of the new enemies on the show, but they keep coming back to life. Neither is in anyway anti and makes no slam whatsoever with no implication of anykind. Perhaps I've missed the comment someone referred to...

I wish RDA wasn't an anti, but the show has great gunhandling most of the time, good special effects, good storylines most of the time, good characters, etc. It's the best scifi show on nowadays. As for cancelling Farscape, I gotta say the Muppets in Space isn't missed around here, I never was able to get into that show... I'd rather watch Stargate or Firefly anyday of the week, now there's one that didn't deserve cancelling, Firefly... New movie coming out for it though.

GSB
July 8, 2004, 07:52 AM
The weapons are neither maligned nor glorified; they are necessary tools in a dangerous line of work.

There was a great line by O'Neil in one episode where he was demonstrating the difference in offensive capabilities of a staff weapon and his squad's assault rifles: (holds up staff) "This is a weapon of intimidation." (holds up rifle) "This is a weapon of war." (IIRC, Major Carter then proceeds to surgically cut a large hanging log in two with the rifle on full auto).

papercut
July 8, 2004, 10:30 AM
The_Antibubba said:
the treatment and portrayal of military personnel is as balanced and fair as I've ever seen on a series
It's the only TV show that the Air Force even semi-officially sanctions, for that exact reason. Two real Air Force Chiefs of Staff have even done brief cameos on the show, as well as a few other occasional appearances by real Air Force personnel.

The_Antibubba barely concealed his lust for a certain actress: ;)
And I can't think of a more balanced, competent female soldier/scientist as Major Carter. She's utterly professional, brilliant, has very human feelings for the Major (which she won't act on because it would be out of line). She comes to the rescue of the others at least as often as the other way around.
The one thing that irritates me about her character in the show has to do with the character's history. In the beginning, we learn that 1) she has a doctorate in physics, and 2) that she spent time as a combat fighter pilot in a combat zone (IIRC, the first Persian Gulf war). :scrutiny: Quite a career jump, there. And to only still be a captain after her combat tour and getting a Ph.D. in some area of advanced physics? It's almost like the show's producers started by thinking that since it's the AF, everyone must learn how to fly a plane at first. This is the Air Force, not the Marine Corps. When would she have time to study muon decay rates and the gravitational effect of the Abell 2218 cluster? In between missile shots? I don't know why, but I've never been able to quite get over what I consider a producer's flub in "personal development" for Carter. (How likely is that? Go ahead, military folks, tell me I'm wrong.)

GSB remarked:There was a great line by O'Neil in one episode where he was demonstrating the difference in offensive capabilities of a staff weapon and his squad's assault rifles: (holds up staff) "This is a weapon of intimidation." (holds up rifle) "This is a weapon of war." (IIRC, Major Carter then proceeds to surgically cut a large hanging log in two with the rifle on full auto).
That was the episode "The Warrior" (http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s5/518.shtml).

MrAcheson pointed out:
Last I checked Hanks was a hardline democrat and almost certainly votes anti.
True, but I at least give him credit for supporting military veterans (http://jam.canoe.ca/JamMoviesArtistsH/hanks.html).
(If you follow that link, scroll down to "Hanks praises U.S. soldiers in Iraq.")

KLR
July 8, 2004, 07:15 PM
In that episode, she talks about flying in hostile airspace. I don't think it was as a pilot, though. The only one wearing pilot wings is Hammond.

Cosmoline
July 8, 2004, 07:28 PM
Re. the IMPORTANT news:

The current heads of Sci Fi had a big falling out with the people who make "Farscape." Mostly over budgets. Sci Fi likes lean and mean productions with as little money on FX as possible. "Farscape" budgets grew to ST:TNG size and Sci Fi pulled the plug. They're still angry, and while they run SG:SG1 episodes nearly 24/7 Farscape is relegated to the two or three AM slot :D

But don't give up hope! Fan pressure has resulted in peace accords and Moya et al are coming back in the form of a new mini-series called "Farscape: The Peacekeep Wars" Filming has been going on for several months now.

John: I'm not a warrior.
Noranti: You carry a weapon.
John: Second Amendment!

Third_Rail
July 8, 2004, 07:30 PM
Uhhh... Why do you all keep saying "Hollywood" this and "Hollywood" that?

SG-1, IIRC, is filmed in Canada, produced and funded by a Canadian company. Where's the harm?

mephisto
July 9, 2004, 12:07 PM
Screw the celebs. Why do people care what they think? They live in a world of fantasy and bloated egos.

mattf7184
July 9, 2004, 05:47 PM
Well Stargate fans, since we are on the topic if you dont know there is a behind the scenes special at 8pm and at 9pm the season premier.

KLR
July 9, 2004, 07:36 PM
Indeed.

MAKOwner
July 9, 2004, 08:13 PM
No one cares to comment on his exact quote? I didn't think it was particularly bad at all, it's almost pro-gun about how fun they are...

You know we are, after all in the airforce, and we wield those things. But I'm not a proponent of guns at all, quite the opposite. But yeah, you know there is a running joke about shooting any one of the larger pieces we have in there, is that everybody tends to get "wood". It may be balsa, but it's definitely wood... {smiles}

Lochaber
July 10, 2004, 11:20 AM
What should we comment on?

But I'm not a proponent of guns at all, quite the opposite.

I do not think that requires a great deal of explanation, do you? As I said before, his anti-gun stance is his right, but I have a lot more of a problem with him funding a pirate.

Loch

jason10mm
July 12, 2004, 10:46 AM
SciFi is actually rolling out quite a few new shows this season, not only Stargate: Atlantis, but also the Farscape mini, Earthsea mini, and a Battlestar Galactica series.

I saw the comments made by RDA. No big deal, IMHO, as it doesn't affect his portrayal of O'Neill. Just like Michael Gross' personal politics does not affect my love of the Burt Gummer character. I won't vote for them in any public office though!!

The new guy (Sheppard?) on the Atlantis show was just making a joke, I think (about guns and small penises). In fact, I'm a little disappointed about how cavalier the new crew is, they were all talking about stunts and special effects, none seemed interested (or even knowledgable) about the science fiction aspect of the show. I find the SG series to be one of the better grounded SF shows (technobabble is kept to a minimum, they retry tactics succesful in the past, new tech is embraced and USED) and would like to see some evidence that Atlantis will carry on the torch.

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