The police will protect you?


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Jake
July 6, 2004, 05:44 PM
Don't know if this has been posted or not. Didn't see it but then I didn't looked too hard. If this isn't the ultimate story to shoot down the "The police will protect me. " arguement antis and blissninnys love to use then I don't know what is.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/07/06/prof.murder.ap/index.html

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Pilgrim
July 6, 2004, 07:53 PM
As a community college professor she was probably deathly afraid of guns and wouldn't think of owning one for personal protection.

another okie
July 6, 2004, 09:04 PM
Pilgrim - your profile says you are a community college instructor. Is that what you think? What if we started making generalizations about naval aviators or deputy sheriffs?

DMK
July 6, 2004, 09:18 PM
I've actually read quite a few stories about people getting atacked in Police station parking lots. When I lived on Long Island back in the 80's, I remember reading in Newsday about a woman who got shot in a Police station lot while there were Police inside. They came out when they heard the shots and killed the husband, but too late of course.

I myself was chased by a maniac when I was a teenager. I drove to the Police station and layed on the horn. This (freaking huge) guy got out of his car and colorfully communicated threats to me through my locked door for what seemed like a very long time, then went back to his car and smoked his tires on the way out. Nobody came out. I finally parked my car and went inside to make the complaint. If he wished to use a firearm on me, I would not have stood a chance.

Moparmike
July 6, 2004, 09:48 PM
DMK, I could have lived without knowing that. I work in a computer lab at a university, situated in the same building as the campus police. I park here 4 days a week...

MountainPeak
July 6, 2004, 09:58 PM
I'm PROTECTED by county LEOs. They are about 60 miles, and 70 minutes, if they drive crazy, away. No thanks, I'll trust my 12 gauge and .45acp, thank you! :)

MountainPeak
July 6, 2004, 09:58 PM
Not meant as a slam at my local LEOs. Just a fact of life where I live!

Daedalus
July 6, 2004, 10:00 PM
I was going to post this myself when I got home from work and you beat me to it.

Our local paper has interviews with her colleagues, this in particular struck me:

What are other women going to think now if they can't turn to the police?" said Ron Cooper, a social sciences and humanities professor at CFCC. "If you know a friend and they were in trouble, we'd all say to 'go to the police department.' It's amazing. What should have been a safe haven was totally unmanned.

These people are completely incapable of defending themselves. They are only alive because law enforcement enables them to live. The idea that their personal safety is their personal responsibility is apparently an idea completely foreign to them. What happened to this poor woman is a tragic example of what happens when you rely on the government to protect you.

DMK
July 6, 2004, 10:07 PM
DMK, I could have lived without knowing that. I work in a computer lab at a university, situated in the same building as the campus police. I park here 4 days a week... Had a friend who lived right next to a Police station. He felt the same way. His car got broken into like 5 times while he lived there. He finally moved and never had any further problems as far as I know.

It's like Police stations cause crime. :p

Baba Louie
July 6, 2004, 10:13 PM
They are only alive because law enforcement enables them to live. Au contraire, they are only alive because no one has wished them dead and acted upon that strange desire.
The idea that their personal safety is their personal responsibility is apparently an idea completely foreign to them. Bingo! 1000% correct Daedalus.
I'd bet that a majority of people alive today would hesitate before shooting down a mad dog of an estranged spousal unit and/or be tormented by their own guilt of doing so for the remainder of their life, if they actually did so.
Very tragic.
What's that line from Top Gun? "...best flying I ever saw... right up to the point where you got killed?"
The Boy Scouts have got it right. "Be Prepared"

Ky Larry
July 6, 2004, 10:26 PM
My sister-in-law, a bliss- ninny anti, said she was afaraid of guns and would just call 911 in case of emergency. I told her that the police do a good job but there's just one little problem with her personal defense plan. I pointed out to her that from the time she places the call until the good guys arrive, she's on her own. Try telling a BG that he'll have to wait for her personal defenders before he kills her or her family. As usual, anti's have no answer for common sense and personal responsiblility.

Pilgrim
July 7, 2004, 01:15 AM
Pilgrim - your profile says you are a community college instructor. Is that what you think? What if we started making generalizations about naval aviators or deputy sheriffs?

What? You mean generalizations about cops aren't made in this forum already?

After Columbine I had reason to go to the West Hills campus to pick up my mail during my lunch hour while working for the Sheriff. Even though the office staff knew beforehand I was a sheriffs deputy, they vociferously complained that I had brought a firearm on to the campus. They were so upset I suspect they thought my pistol would jump out of my holster and attack them if I wasn't careful.

My friend at West Hills, another former cop, pretty much had an office to his own - not having to share like most - because of his rather conservative political views. Also, the rest of the college staff thought instructors in the administration of justice department were not real college professors, but Neanderthals dressed up to look like instructors.

After Columbine, a few community college presidents in the PDRK discussed getting rid of the police academy programs because they...teach firearms.

If you want to make generalizations about naval aviators, go ahead. I have heard most of them already.

Pilgrim

tcsd1236
July 7, 2004, 01:24 AM
It's like Police stations cause crime.

Probably not helped by the fact that we release people on appearance tickets who, as they leave the area, may decide to smash and grab or otherwise help themselves to the property of those who live in the area. Criminals will be criminals until forcefully restrained in their activities, after all.

whm1974
July 7, 2004, 01:43 AM
My sister-in-law, a bliss- ninny anti, said she was afaraid of guns and would just call 911 in case of emergency. I told her that the police do a good job but there's just one little problem with her personal defense plan. I pointed out to her that from the time she places the call until the good guys arrive, she's on her own. Try telling a BG that he'll have to wait for her personal defenders before he kills her or her family. As usual, anti's have no answer for common sense and personal responsiblility.

You should remind your sister-in-law that it's not the police's job to provide protection to people. Only to protect the public at large and to enforce the law.

-Bill

tcsd1236
July 7, 2004, 09:39 PM
You should remind your sister-in-law that it's not the police's job to provide protection to people
With exceptions, of course....

RWK
July 7, 2004, 10:36 PM
"The police will protect you" . . .
. . . and the tooth fairy will leave money under your pillow

Coronach
July 8, 2004, 12:36 PM
"The police will protect you?"

Yes and no. The problem is that blissninnies take the general protection offered by the police and the criminal court system and apply it in a specific sense: "Well, if some guy comes up to you and tries to rape you, just call a cop. Here, have a rape whistle. You'll be fine."

:rolleyes:

I gather from the one quote that someone went to a police station and no one was there? Funny thing, that. If there is someone there, they are just lounging around the station instead of being out and fighting crime, suppressing evil and taking reports. Probably eating a doughnut, too. Now, when someone is not there "a safe haven is completely unmanned."

:rolleyes:

Anyway. You're responsible for your own personal protection. This is a newsflash for blissninnies everywhere.

Mike

TallPine
July 8, 2004, 01:02 PM
Yeah, if you go to our local sheriff's office for help at certain times of the day(night), the only one there might be the dispatcher. But she is armed with a pencil, so watch out!

cigardad
July 8, 2004, 03:37 PM
This took place here in Ocala.

I can tell you the anger here is not at the line police officer but at the mayor and Chief of Police.

The city of Ocala, 4 years ago pitched a bitch to build a new police headquarters. One that would be a shining beacon to the community and give the officers and employees a place to be proud of. They begged, borrowed and taxed till they obtained the needed funds to build it.
Problem was they would never do the same thing to make sure it was staffed properly. The city now has a nice modern state of the art headquarters but refuse to hire new officers to staff it and patrol the city. Now the community as a whole will suffer because they will now staff this building 24/7 with a sworn officer that should be on patrol.

Would an officer in the building at the time of the shooting changed anything? Probably not. Had she been armed and trained? Maybe so.

Havegunjoe
July 8, 2004, 03:58 PM
Years ago my sister-in-law was home alone at night with her two small children. She lived in a very small town that had had it's only murder a month before. Suddenly someone was very quietly trying the door knob to gain entry. She called the Sheriff's office. Their reply was, "Well, eveyone is kind of busy right now. It will be awhile before someone can come out there." :banghead: They must have head her call as they went away and nothing happend.

I had to ask her, what the :cuss: could be more important to the police than a woman home alone with two small kids and someone trying to get in? UNBELIEVEABLE!!!

OH25shooter
July 8, 2004, 04:11 PM
If the average American citizen was aware of the internal problems within any major police department, they'd just be happy to know a cruiser was somewhere on the street. Just not enough to go around. Even a small department that may have 1 officer per 1000 people cannot help you at the exact time of need.

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