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IAJack
July 7, 2004, 08:51 PM
What is a good response to people whom say they don't vote or it is wasted beacuse "they are all crooked" or that voting for the lesser of two evils is a waste?

I know this has probably been discussed before but I would like some more ammo on the topic. I have atleast 3-4 people I work or deal with everyday that say they don't care or refuse to listen to my arguments about civic duty and working towards creating a change for the future even if it means voting for the lesser evil?

Later

IAJack

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Sindawe
July 7, 2004, 08:54 PM
No vote, no room to complain.

jnojr
July 7, 2004, 08:55 PM
If all the people who don't vote because "their vote doesn't count" were to vote in the next election, it would be the single biggest voting bloc ever.

Hand them a ballot and say "Do me a favor... if you just don't care, take the 5 minutes and vote this way"

Justin
July 8, 2004, 02:38 AM
What is a good response to people whom say they don't vote or it is wasted beacuse "they are all crooked" or that voting for the lesser of two evils is a waste? There isn't one. The majority of people are completely ignorant about political topics and vote based on soundbites cooked up by political spin doctors. So far as I'm concerned, we're better off with fewer voters, not more.

People who are at least marginally informed rarely stay home on election day.

tyme
July 8, 2004, 03:09 AM
I took a class from a political science professor who claimed not to vote, and who did research on voting trends.

People have to decide for themselves whether to vote. All you can do is make sure they're informed.

Lone_Gunman
July 8, 2004, 08:06 AM
When your choices are Bush and Kerry, its easy to see why a lot of people just aren't interested enough to go vote.

I think turn out will be less than it was in 2000.

flatrock
July 8, 2004, 10:03 AM
People who stay informed on the issues tend to vote. People who don't stay informed on the issues are more likely to be swayed by our overly liberal press.

I won't be encouraging those people to vote. If they feel the need to complain about politics while not voting, I just ignore them.

halvey
July 8, 2004, 10:22 AM
I think turn out will be less than it was in 2000. Yup, and certain states will be decided by 400 votes again.

nero45acp
July 8, 2004, 10:50 AM
"Do you know how many people gave their life for that vote? How many wives who lost their husbands? How many parents that had the misfortune to outlive their children? How many children that lost their fathers for that vote? I can't think of a more disrespectful act than to waste the right that so many brave souls gave their everything for."


nero

TimRB
July 8, 2004, 11:39 AM
" I can't think of a more disrespectful act than to waste the right that so many brave souls gave their everything for."

There it is. I can't imagine anyone who has ever visited a national cemetary failing to vote. Those guys did the hard part.

Tim

CentralTexas
July 8, 2004, 12:26 PM
"When your choices are Bush and Kerry, its easy to see why a lot of people just aren't interested enough to go vote."


Actually the list is long on folks running, I'm voting but not for the above.

1- Well vote for a third party then that reflects your views. They won't get elected anytime soon on the national level but when they get large amounts of votes it will start to influence the major parties.

2-Point out that since only 50-60% of folks vote and it's getting worse annually.
Ask how long before only a few thousand votes elect-"choice of bad guys here" for president?

3-Point out since there are so many choices and if they don't vote or call/write/attempt to influence their party they are pedophile scum!
;) ;) ;)

4-Ask how doe's it work in the country they are actually from?;)

5- Say, "Cool, when we have taken over I hope you will be one of my slaves as you don't seem a complaining type!";)

CentralTexas

Hkmp5sd
July 8, 2004, 12:51 PM
Less than 500 votes cast in Florida in 2000 decided the president. Votes do count. In Florida, they count and count and count....:)

lee n. field
July 8, 2004, 03:03 PM
No vote, no room to complain.

Sorry, no.

Two considerations: 1)there are often no acceptable choices, and "none of the above" is never on the ballot. (Yeah, yeah, I know there's some state out west that has it, but if NOTA wins, the next runner up takes office.) 2)wrong is wrong, regardless of wether you voted or not.

Bubbles
July 8, 2004, 04:02 PM
Whether or not you vote, a government still gets elected.

Also, I'm amazed at how many people vote in the Federal elections, but can't be bothered with the state and local races. Not only do the officials at the local and state level have more direct impact on your day-to-day life, these elections are often decided by a handful of votes.

I also figure that if I don't vote, I have no right to complain about the government I get!

Standing Wolf
July 8, 2004, 04:22 PM
The more dumb people who don't vote, the more soundly that Kerry creature will be defeated.

tyme
July 8, 2004, 04:27 PM
Less than 500 votes cast in Florida in 2000 decided the president. Votes do count.
No, it should be fairly obvious that unless the vote is off by 2 or less, your vote won't make any difference. The supreme court decided the election, not any particular voter.

Hkmp5sd
July 8, 2004, 04:35 PM
Technically, the supreme court decided not to allow the recounts to be performed using the guidelines made up in each individual county. Essentially, there would be no "interpreting" the voter's intent based on what the person "reading" the ballot thought. Gore's lawsuit wanted recounts only in selected counties, not the entire state. The supreme court ruled that one unconstitutional also. It's all or nothing. Florida election laws were followed exactly.

DevilDog
July 8, 2004, 04:39 PM
Because of the Florida fiasco, all votes are now important. In the future, anytime a vote is even remotely close, the media will be all over it. Every close election in the future will result in the losers spinning it and whinning about the winners cheating.

pinblaster
July 8, 2004, 06:41 PM
Right on, Standing Wolf ! I too was a dolt that never bothered to vote. I started voting in 1986 at the age of 32 and haven't stopped, I even vote in the primary elections. Jimmy (let's give away the Panama canal and pussyfoot with Iraq, etc.) Carter convinced me to be a republican.

ReadyontheRight
July 8, 2004, 07:28 PM
If a person is too lazy, unappreciative or uninformed to not vote, I'm glad they're not voting.

ReadyontheRight
July 8, 2004, 07:29 PM
1)there are often no acceptable choices,

So run for office!

Lone_Gunman
July 8, 2004, 09:03 PM
Jimmy (let's give away the Panama canal and pussyfoot with Iraq, etc.) Carter convinced me to be a republican.

Can you please refresh my memory on what Carter had to do with Iraq?

mrapathy2000
July 8, 2004, 09:28 PM
What is a good response to people whom say they don't vote or it is wasted beacuse "they are all crooked" or that voting for the lesser of two evils is a waste?

while someone is at home sitting on theyre ass not taking things seriously someone is marching with a rifle waiting for the SHTF so that person back home doesnt have worry bout SHTF and dodge bullets,bombs or airplanes into skyscrapers.

you have rights and privileges, one is voting because people before them have sacrificed much.own limbs and life,family sons and daughters. money effects home and property.

not long ago in afganistan a group of people were slaughtered when they were heading back to their villiage. not because they rich or running drugs or weapons or supporting taliban/al queda or the coalition or wrong place wrong time. they died because they were crazy enough to register to vote for a coming election.

gunsmith
July 8, 2004, 09:54 PM
On the eve of the last Presidental election I called a friend in West Palm Beach FL and urged him to go vote Republican.

After having his tour in Iraq extended three times (Close to 2 years in a war zone) he is real angry and won't be voting for Bush or Kerry,he will just stay home.

Thats his opinion and he's earned the right to have it.

I'm gonna call him again though and ask him prettyplease vote for Bush!
(I'm just gonna wait untill he cools off for another month or 2)

pinblaster
July 8, 2004, 11:10 PM
Sorry, I meant Iran but typed Iraq by mistake.

Bill St. Clair
July 8, 2004, 11:15 PM
There's a sure way to increase the percentage of the eligible voters who participate in the election: put "none of the above" on the ballot for every office, and if he wins, the office remains vacant for the entire term.

Hkmp5sd
July 8, 2004, 11:34 PM
Unless some sneaky individual changes his name to "Mr. None Of The Above" just prior to the election. :)

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