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cheygriz
February 14, 2003, 03:46 PM
There seems to be a lot of heartburn about the newly announced .45 Glock. Why? Because it serves no purpose?

Well......... I would contend that the .480 Ruger serves no purpose! What can it do that a .454 Casull or a .475 Linebaugh can't do?

The 260 Remington? useless!

ALL of the new short magnums? Useless!

The .40 S&W or the .357 Sig? Useless!

I think everyone can see where I'm going with this.

I consider all of the above cartridges, and many others, a useless waste of resources. But then that's just MHO!

If someone else wants to market one of these rounds, and others want to buy them, why shouldn't they be available?

I can' think of any possible use for a .17-416 Rigby, but if there';s a market for it, some manufacturer will produce it. That's how the free enterprise system works!

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priv8ter
February 14, 2003, 04:54 PM
I agree most whole-heartedly. Let's face it...How many cartridges do we REALLY NEED???

.22, 9mm, .45 for autos.

.22, .357, .44 for Revolvers.

.22, 30-06, .458 Magnum for rifles

12 gauge for shotguns!

But...since when has ANYTHING about firearms had to do with need? It's all want, want, want. And that makes it a blast!

It does seem like the number of cartridges out there is experiencing a boom right now. And, for a while, our cup might runneth over. But, sooner or later, the cream will rise to the top, and people will get tired of paying $40 a box for the latest .300 Ultra Short Zoomie Magnum Rimless that kills an elk just as dead as the old .30-06.

Just my opinion.

Carbon_15
February 14, 2003, 05:03 PM
Did I miss a meeting? Is Glock offering something in .45 besides the 21, 30, and 36? What is this new Glock?

JHill
February 14, 2003, 06:50 PM
'.45Glock' for the new Glock 37 someone on another board posted the specs and pic in a Glock manual. Ar15.com I think...

someone will post a link or pic soon...

From what it looked like--everything the .45acp is except a standard 230gr load.

DeltaElite
February 14, 2003, 06:56 PM
Well all anybody needs is the 10mm anyway. :neener:

I am liking the 45 Glock caliber, I will most likely end up getting one.

The more calibers the merrier, gives me a reason to buy more guns. :D

BerettaNut92
February 14, 2003, 07:12 PM
I'm willing to give it a fair shake.

If it's a stupid idea and it works, it's not stupid.

agtman
February 14, 2003, 07:23 PM
10mm Auto ....


The answer to all things ...







..... or at least those things requiring the application of the most versatile powerhouse of a cartridge ever to be stuck in an autoloader of conventional size and weight. :D

And after 20 years it's new again. ;)

:cool:

Carbon_15
February 14, 2003, 09:02 PM
.. or at least those things requiring the application of the most versatile powerhouse of a cartridge ever to be stuck in an autoloader of conventional size and weight

AMEN:cool:

What I found at Glocktalk
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=134978

Carbon_15
February 14, 2003, 09:10 PM
Also found this:


With the recent Corporate Raid Glock has found a new home in Belgium, to commemorate their new factory they began work on a new service auto-the Model 38 which is chambered and designed to fire the hottest 9mm Luger rounds currently on the market today. Comes standard with a Harts recoil main spring with built in Lyco AE II mini laser aiming sight Glock has brought back quality to the light pistol market once again. The company designed the proprietary MPR (Maximum Power Round) to be used excessively in the Model 38, an extremely hot ballisitc load which has double the stopping power of the old 9mm Parabellum. These rounds are available only for valid security and law enforcement end users with proper and valid credentials. (It can and will still fire standard 9mm Parabellum loads as well.)

BerettaNut92
February 14, 2003, 09:14 PM
Shame on me for not knowing, what are the velocities on 180 and 200 gr .40 loads?

DeltaElite
February 14, 2003, 09:27 PM
Shame on me for not knowing, what are the velocities on 180 and 200 gr .40 loads?

Slow and slower. :neener:

180gr loads go about 950fps and I have yet to see a 200gr 40sw load. I imagine it would be just shy of 900fps.

BerettaNut92
February 14, 2003, 09:38 PM
Doh, oops, I guess I was thinking 165 and 180. See how much I know about the .40?

Yohan
February 14, 2003, 10:01 PM
Glocks = Ugly

My part in this thread is done :cool: :)

Gewehr98
February 14, 2003, 10:05 PM
aka, .45 Short & Weak...;)

Porter Rockwell
February 14, 2003, 10:23 PM
Hello, the short .45 Glock (kurz?) still has more than enough powder capacity to equal current .45acp loads including +P levels.

DeltaElite
February 14, 2003, 10:32 PM
Porter is right on the money.
The 45 Glock is pretty much a 45acp+p cartridge and far out performs the 40sw.

I want one more and more. :D

Marshall
February 14, 2003, 10:44 PM
Personally, I am waiting on the new Hi-Power comming out in the Browning .50 Auto Short Mag Super ACP Parabellum cartridge!
:neener:

Porter Rockwell
February 14, 2003, 10:49 PM
Hello Marshall,
the .50acp is a reality already, I know of at least two H&K USP conversions.

Marshall
February 14, 2003, 10:58 PM
That's right but, it's not a .50 Auto Short Mag Super ACP Parabellum cartridge

Porter Rockwell
February 15, 2003, 12:11 AM
This is spoken in my best Moe to Larry/Curley voice,
Wazzat a trivia answer or a secret code?
To my knowlege the .50 Short hasn't been officially named yet so your idea might be adopted tho I did puzzle as to all those letter combinations looking for a word or something??
.50ASMSACPPC.....??!
Personally I prefer the .50 Kurz
or the Fifty Porter.
Hmmm

goon
February 15, 2003, 12:15 AM
Wait just a minute...
We also need the 308 and the 7.62x54R.
I can shoot 7.62Nato Portugese surplus cheaper than I can reload 308, and I need 7.62x54R for my Finn Mosin Nagant.
What I don't get is why the 25 ACP still exists. They are now making 32s as small as a 25, so what is the point?

Porter Rockwell
February 15, 2003, 12:36 AM
Why goon, it's for the pocket Brownings.
That'd be a great topic header, "why the .25 errr Twenty Five!

goon
February 15, 2003, 01:10 AM
OK. I had forgotten about the ones already in existence. Guess we gotta keep every cartridge ever made.
G&A did an article on this very subject a few years ago.
They were wrong too.

M58
February 15, 2003, 01:18 AM
.41 mag. and 10mm--everything a handgun needs.:neener:

Gewehr98
February 23, 2003, 07:22 PM
The 45 Glock is pretty much a 45acp+p cartridge and far out performs the 40sw.

It would appear Gaston Glock just created an instand collector's item with this chambering. Neat way to get a .45 caliber round to fit into a 9mm-length magazine, but only the buying public will keep such an oddball alive past the SHOT show's introduction. ;)

cratz2
February 23, 2003, 08:38 PM
I don't personally consider the 260 useless. I just don't see the big need for all the short magnums esp the new small bore super shorts.

Actually, I'm pretty happy with just a few 50+ year old cartridges. 243, 25-06, 257 Roberts, 6.5x55, 270 Winchester, 30-30, 45-70. :p

HABU
February 23, 2003, 09:28 PM
Last year I shot about 10,000 rounds of .45. This year I will probably double that. It goes without saying that I reload. I am not looking forward to sorting .45 brass that is a RCH shorter than what I need. Its all about me.:D

Mike Irwin
February 23, 2003, 10:38 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Pretty much everything developed after 1940 is really just icing on the cake.

cordex
February 23, 2003, 11:13 PM
Don't personally want to get a .45Glock. Doesn't do anything for me.

But I was thinking ...

Glock 37 magazines would maybe fit in similarly sized Glock handguns ala the Springfield XD series?

CB900F
February 23, 2003, 11:36 PM
Now guys, why no mention of the new S&W .500 'wristwrecker'?
Here we have a case that you can drop a .44 magnum in & lose it in there. It's being issued in the new X-frame along with a hoist to help you get it outta the holster. The ammo features a 440gr bullet offering "over 2500 ft/lbs of energy" over 3 times that of the .44 magnum. Five round capacity and only slightly more than 4.5 POUNDS of weight. The promo literature didn't spec a velocity, but to be 3X .44 mag, it'd have to be well over 1500 fps I'd think, without running the numbers. I do believe I'll pass on this little number. 900F

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