Jump on it. Public Radio tries to "cook" a poll


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F4GIB
July 9, 2004, 12:32 PM
Absolutely blatant about it!
poll on the assault weapon ban, just scroll towards bottom

http://www.kqed.org/index.jsp?flash=true

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FPrice
July 9, 2004, 12:38 PM
So far the results are:

Yes (Continue the AWB) 51 5%
No (Do NOT continue) 1082 95%

FPrice
July 9, 2004, 12:41 PM
It appears that this poll may not be as "cooked" as first thought. If you choose "No" it continues with arguements why the ban should be continued. If you choose "Yes" it continues with arguements why the ban should be ended.

Fairly even-handed for NPR it would appear.

CZ 75 BD
July 9, 2004, 12:46 PM
That was fun

Erich
July 9, 2004, 01:02 PM
I didn't see a poll. :(

Daedalus
July 9, 2004, 01:04 PM
Lord knows there is a serious problem with criminals holding up liquor stores for their 200$ till with their near-priceless STG 44s

Erich
July 9, 2004, 01:04 PM
Wow, now it's 96% to 4% (1162-54) against continuing the ban. Must be a lot of folks nuking it from sites like this. :)

Daniel T
July 9, 2004, 01:05 PM
It appears that this poll may not be as "cooked" as first thought.

Maybe so. However, the arguments used if you pick "Yes" are pretty weak, especially by our standards. Also, quoting people like Michael Bellesiles does not engender any confidence in me.

halvey
July 9, 2004, 01:15 PM
Geeze, I had to vote numerous times just to vote no.

BeLikeTrey
July 9, 2004, 01:20 PM
Should the U.S. federal government continue the ban on assault weapons?

Yes 56 4%
No 1201 96%

BeLikeTrey
July 9, 2004, 01:22 PM
Should the U.S. federal government continue the ban on assault weapons?

Yes 56 4%
No 1201 96%

MeekandMild
July 9, 2004, 02:05 PM
Dudes, this isn't a poll. It is a means to gather specific information about which arguments are more likely to change a participatants mind in the direction they want to go. Clumsy and inept as NPR is they are steadily refining the ways they psychologically manipulate their listeners.

Suggest the reader get a copy of Heinlein's "If This Goes On" to see what is the next step.

El Tejon
July 9, 2004, 02:06 PM
From the heart of Free America, I strike at you, Eloi!

Nightfall
July 9, 2004, 02:27 PM
Lord knows there is a serious problem with criminals holding up liquor stores for their 200$ till with their near-priceless STG 44s
LOL, I loved their "assault weapon" picture choice too. Not only that, but it's a firearm not covered by the AWB.

So I wonder how much an STG-44 would go for now-a-day?

Leatherneck
July 9, 2004, 02:30 PM
Hanging at 96%-4% :D There anti arguments are really weak. :rolleyes:

TC
TFL Survivor

Dain Bramage
July 9, 2004, 02:37 PM
I voted, but the Nader-Dean debate is what really fscinated me. :barf:

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
July 9, 2004, 02:38 PM
In his article "Get Rid of the Damned Things" in Time magazine, Roger Rosenblatt argued that the American tradition of pistol-packing heroes is a romantic legend, created by gun companies and Hollywood westerns. He explained that, according to historian Michael Bellesiles, until 1850, only about 10 percent of Americans owned guns; there are now approximately 80 million gun owners in the United States. In Western towns -- including Tombstone and Dodge City -- gun laws were strictly enforced and lawmen confiscated weapons at the city limits of Dodge.


It's astounding how often the hard-left extremists that make up so much of the American news media repeat this blatent lie. It's galling to see taxpayer money being used by this Public Broadcasting System station to repeat these lies.

By now, 4 years after Bellesiles work was found to be absolutely fraudulent, 4 years after all the awards he received for it were revoked, 4 years after he was forced to resign his tenured University position in disgrace over his falsified "research," the hard-left extremists in the news media must know full well that Bellesiles work is an absolute lie. Yet they continue to repeat it, chant it like a Hindu mantra.

Time Magazine seems to have taken to heart Nazi Propaganda Minister Goebbels idea about repeating a Big Lie often enough and it will be believed.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
July 9, 2004, 02:39 PM
My e-mail to the President of KQEB:

To:pres@kqed.org


Dear Sir:

I am writing to you in regard to an opinion poll which appeared on your
website on July 9, 2004. This poll was in regard to extending the current
Federal law banning certain types of semi-auto "assault weapons."

In the polling webpage, a "NO" vote brings up the following quote:

<quote>In his article "Get Rid of the Damned Things" in Time magazine, Roger Rosenblatt argued that the American tradition of pistol-packing heroes is a romantic legend, created by gun companies and Hollywood westerns. He explained that, according to historian Michael Bellesiles, until 1850, only about 10 percent of Americans owned guns; there are now approximately 80 million gun owners in the United States. In Western towns -- including Tombstone and Dodge City -- gun laws were strictly enforced and lawmen confiscated weapons at the city limits of Dodge.<unquote>

By now, 4 years after Bellesiles work was found to be absolutely fraudulent, 4 years after all the awards he received for it were revoked, 4 years after he was forced to resign his tenured University position in disgrace over his falsified "research," the hard-left extremists in the news media must know full well that Bellesiles work is an absolute lie. Yet they continue to repeat it, chant it like a Hindu mantra.

It's astounding how often the hard-left extremists that make up so much of
the American news media repeat this blatent lie. It's galling to see
taxpayer money being used by your Public Broadcasting System station to
repeat these lies.

Time Magazine's Rosenblatt seems to have taken to heart Nazi Propaganda
Minister Goebbels idea about repeating a Big Lie often enough and it will be
believed.

I am absolutely disgusted by your display of political propaganda.

Sincerely,

And a follow-up e-mail:

To: pres@kqed.org

Following up on my earlier e-mail:

A little digging reveals that Rosenblatt's essay: "Get rid of the Damned
Things" which was based on the fraudulent work of Bellesiles, appeared in
Time Magazine in 1999!

There is no excuse for KQED to be so sloppy as to quote Rosenblatt's very old essay without first checking on the now disgraced Bellesiles and his history of fraud and deception.

Apparently the truth doesn't even matter anymore to people such as you.

Still disgusted,

gunnerclark
July 9, 2004, 03:08 PM
This is one of the better polls I have voted in. The way it set it up was worth taking the time to vote.

ravinraven
July 9, 2004, 03:20 PM
"...the hard-left extremists in the news media must know full well that Bellesiles work is an absolute lie. Yet they continue to repeat it, chant it like a Hindu mantra."

Naturally the hard left knows the lies that they grind out over and over. They are the same thing as any religious extremeists no matter if it's Christian fundamentalists blowing up abortion clinics, Islamic terrorists blowing up buildings or hard left fundamentalists tying to destroy the country. They are all cut from the same cloth. The weaving may be a bit different from one piece to the other, but that's it.

Facts, truth and logic are ignored by any religious fundamentalist. What's more, the left RFs don't believe a word of what they are saying. They are aiming their blather at the moron faction of this society. Thanx to government indoctrination centers melting our children's brains, the supply of fools is increasing.

It's all a part of the national suicide plan. Enjoy the ride.

rr

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
July 9, 2004, 05:38 PM
Naturally the hard left knows the lies that they grind out over and over. They are the same thing as any religious extremeists no matter if it's Christian fundamentalists blowing up abortion clinics, Islamic terrorists blowing up buildings or hard left fundamentalists tying to destroy the country. They are all cut from the same cloth. The weaving may be a bit different from one piece to the other, but that's it.

Of the three groups, the fundamentalist leftists are by far the most dangerous enemy that our country faces. They solidly control the news media, the entertainment industry, the universities, the public schools, and the courts.

If there were ever to be a fundamentalist-Christian counterpart to the hard-left extremist Ruth Bader-Ginsberg on the Supreme Court it would have to be a senior member of the Christian Identity movement. A fundamentalist-Muslim on the Supreme Court would have to be a senior member of the Taliban in order to be as far out as Ginsberg.

Das Pferd
July 9, 2004, 05:44 PM
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MeekandMild
July 9, 2004, 06:04 PM
If there were ever to be a fundamentalist-Christian counterpart to the hard-left extremist Ruth Bader-Ginsberg on the Supreme Court it would have to be a senior member of the Christian Identity movement. Pardon, not debating theology here, but the Christian Identity movement is not a fundamentalist-Christian sect. It may be loosely based on Christianity, just as Christianity and Islam are loosely based on Judaism, but it is a separate religion. There ISN'T a fundamentalist-Christian counterpart to Ruth Bader-Ginsberg and there hasn't been since Cromwell took over England in the 1600's. Christianity has matured past such things.

Unisaw
July 9, 2004, 06:22 PM
No 97%
Yes 3%

DMF
July 9, 2004, 06:24 PM
Jump on it. Public Radio tries to "cook" a poll

Absolutely blatant about it!You mean like what happens on the internet forums all the time? Like what you are doing by telling people to "jump on it?"

Shocking that anyone would behave that way.

:rolleyes:

PATH
July 9, 2004, 06:33 PM
Still 97% in favor of sanity and 3% still don't get it!

Go and vote folks. The poll is in small print towards the bottom!

The Grand Inquisitor
July 9, 2004, 06:48 PM
I think those of you who think it was a bad poll need to go back and really look at it. That was the most fair minded and logical polls I have ever seen. Using dueling arguements is a brilliant way to take opinions and I wish the mainstread pollsters (Zogby, Gallup....) had an eight of the integrity and honesty of this NPR poll. I think some of those who hate this are doing it upon an irrational Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilley induced doctrinal hatred on NPR and the other mythical "liiiberal" media.

mrapathy2000
July 9, 2004, 07:01 PM
Yes:89 3%

No:2628 97%

OF
July 9, 2004, 08:02 PM
I think you guys are missing the point...the poll presents the alternative viewpoint based on how you vote. And aside from a couple things in the 'anti' argument, it does a pretty good job of it.That was the most fair minded and logical polls I have ever seen. I agree. It's a very cool idea and shows a remarkable even-handedness - all the more remarkable because it's KQED!

This is also already being discussed here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90795).

- Gabe

Felonious Monk
July 9, 2004, 08:34 PM
The one thing I DO like about how it is structured: it forces participants to NOT just vote in such a way that perpetuates "don't confuse me with the arguments, I have my mind made up" thinking.

To see the direction someone is leaning, provide additional points to the contrary side, and allow someone to confirm or change their stance is an exercise in getting people to THINK and consider both sides of an issue...an oft neglected process for many.

Well done, IMO.
And I'm really glad we're kicking the TAR out of the anti voters! ;)

FM

MeekandMild
July 10, 2004, 12:18 AM
To see the direction someone is leaning, provide additional points to the contrary side, and allow someone to confirm or change their stance is an exercise in getting people to THINK and consider both sides of an issue...an oft neglected process for many. I don't believe it, felonious. I believe the purpose is to abstract the voters who change their vote based on one or the other of the given arguments, then to do a breakdown based on which arguments converted the greatest number of voters, from no to yes i.e. which arguments are most seductive. Then they abstract the voters who change from no to yes and they find which arguments are the weakest.

What you will see form this poll is in a few weeks they will start pushing the strongest anti RKBA arguments and will find shills to advocate the weakest pro RKBA arguments.

This is done in other propaganda efforts as well. You will notice that whenever they discuss abortion they always choose the most rational proabortion advocates versus the biggest crackpot antiabortion advocates. Same with affirmative action, Palestinian liberation, animal welfare and all the other mainstay Liberal causes.

I think some of those who hate this are doing it upon an irrational Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilley induced doctrinal hatred on NPR and the other mythical "liiiberal" media. And I think that some of those who love it are doing so on basis of radical leftist induced doctrinal hatred of an armed, free, self determining populace. :neener:

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
July 10, 2004, 01:51 PM
Pardon, not debating theology here, but the Christian Identity movement is not a fundamentalist-Christian sect. It may be loosely based on Christianity, just as Christianity and Islam are loosely based on Judaism, but it is a separate religion

You are right of course. I should have included the modifier "self-described" in front of Fundamentalist Christian when referring to the Christian Identity movement.

Mainstream Christianity condemns and rejects groups like the Christian Identity movement in a way that mainstream Islam has never condemned or rejected similar "Muslim" groups like Al-Queda, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
July 10, 2004, 02:01 PM
I think some of those who hate this are doing it upon an irrational Rush Limbaugh/Bill O'Reilley induced doctrinal hatred on NPR and the other mythical "liiiberal" media.

No. That's just incorrect.

If you had bothered to read this entire thread you'd see my objections to the poll were based on the use of the thoroughly discredited Bellesieles work, from the poll: He explained that, according to historian Michael Bellesiles, until 1850, only about 10 percent of Americans owned guns... Again, this is an outright lie by Bellesiles. This has been proven now for a good number of years.

Please explain what it is you consider so rational about your support for this PBS Station's repeating this lie.

No Liberal bias in the news media? Somewhere around 90+% are self-identified Liberal Democrats and you're saying there's no Liberal bias.

Right :D.

Brett Bellmore
July 10, 2004, 02:31 PM
No Liberal bias in the news media? Somewhere around 90+% are self-identified Liberal Democrats and you're saying there's no Liberal bias.

Actually, last time I looked, most of them self-identify as "moderates" or "independents" It's just that they think Ralf Nadr is a "moderate", and that Kerry is a conservative.

carpettbaggerr
July 11, 2004, 12:53 AM
Public Radio tries to "cook" a poll As opposed to that CNN poll so many here wanted to 'nuke'? :scrutiny:

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