[HSMITH]

Well, the moron behind the counter told a shopper that a 38 snubbie is only good for 3-4 feet, and the guy bought the story. I let them be, stupid is as stupid does..........

Shot my first CZ-75 in a couple years tonight, what a gun!!!!!! Shoots awesome for me, accurate and easy to shoot. A "must buy" for what they are selling for!!! If you have not tried one GO DO IT!!!! Amazing value. We put about 300 rounds through it without a hitch too and it was fresh out of the box.

[denfoote]

I still can't believe how moronic gun shop people!! It must be something the liberals are putting in the water!!! :D

I agree, the CZ is a nice pistol!! The grips are to big for me, however. :(

[Shane]

My snubby 2.25" Ruger SP 101 will knock beer cans down at 18 yards, and probably further if I practiced more. I'll have to put the cans to 21 yards next time, and see how I do.

18 plus yards of good accuracy is plenty for me. That gentleman gun seller that claimed snubbies are only good to 4 feet is full of hot condensed air.

[dude]

I can usually hit a paper-plate sized targets @ 25yards using .38s out of my Taurus 617T .357mag snub.


.....I can also do it with .357mags but it's a bit rude in the recoil department!!

[hondo68]

the harder it is to hit anything. Try switching to soda.

[CZF]

Sounds like another CZ convert. Yes, the guns get better as they
break in. The triggers smooth out the more you shoot. A
75SA is ready to rock from the box.

Eric is super pleased with his. he is getting fantastic groups.
with the new trigger and sights, it should be a 25 yard
'cloverleaf' gun.

As for the moron gunshop guy.
If it is the same shop. Can't be too stupid if they sell CZs.

Denfoote. the cure for the large grips.. HAKAN's SLIMLINE
Series grips.

HE did a pair for our 1,000 member. They are very much smaller than standard grips. The CZ rubber grips are also slimmer, according to some owners.

[HSMITH]

They don't sell CZ's, but they did have a Tangfolio for $475 with one 10 rounder!! Not a good place to buy guns, but it is the only indoor range around.

Denfoote, the one I was shooting had a Hogue grip that wrapped the front strap, finger groove style. Normally I really don't like style of grip, but on the CZ it was TIGHT!! I have some pretty small mitts too, and have a hard time with most widebody pistols, but this was great. You may want to give it a look. Double action pull was still quite a stretch for me to reach, but totally manageable.


If the CZ triggers get better with time the gun I shot is going to get rediculous, the trigger in SA is no more than 5 pounds, a little creep before it lets off, but smooth as a baby's butt all the way. I prefer a little more creep in the trigger than this one had, but all in all it was extremely easy to shoot. DA is good too, long but not all that heavy, I would guess it is close to 14-16#. One "stack" in the middle of the stroke, otherwise very smooth.

The gun I shot is an Military model, bone stock.

[Mannlicher]

I can, and have, hit paint cans at 50+ yards with my Taurus 85CH, and with my Smith Model 60, three inch.

I LOVE my CZ75D PCR. Next to my Brownings, this is the best 9mm I have ever shot. It will run rings around a Glock, SIG, or Walther. H&K is not even in the same league.

[Longbow]

...unless he owns the store. Heck, I've seen Bob Munden in an episode of American Shooter shot a party baloon at 200 yards with a S&W .38 cal snubie. :mad:

[Dan Morris]

4 feet.......most interesting. I can remember qualifying the old PPC with a M19 snubbie.......that was from 60 yds n moving in. Was shooting 38 wadcutters in the .357.....guess that counts as a 38 snubbie!
Dan

[Alvin Hammer]

I used to believe snub-nosed guns weren't as accurate as longer barreled versions. A former university rifle team coach took my Charter Arms .38 snubbie and shot an unbelievably tight group at 25 yards. He said the short sight radius made accurate shooting more difficult, not impossible.

[Waitone]

Nonsense regarding the snubbie.

My weekly range sessions include 20-30 rounds of .38 spl through a Taurus 850 2" barrel at 70 yards on a 12" gong. Would I ever engage a target at that range? Nope, but I am pretty good at 20 feet.

[10-Ring]

4' ? :scrutiny: Oh well...more for me I guess :D :rolleyes:

[Pappy John]

Hmmmm....well, I'm pretty good with all of my handguns but one...and that's a 642 Airweight. At 25 yards a pieplate stands a 50/50 chance. I am waiting on a set of Pachmeyer Presentation grips to replace the stock boot grips to see if those make any difference. I've got big hands and I hate having only 2 fingers on the grip.

[sm]

.38 past 4 feet huh?

gun owner told a lady looking at model 37 that, she said "good, that means you will sell it cheap-huh? [we bought elsewhere]

Mouthy deputy said that also, he and other deputies-whom haven't shot since last time to qualify. Petite instructors wife ,weak-handed prints a nice group upon a 5" paper plate. Deputy couldn't hit the 9" paper plate at the same distance of 8 yds, with dept. isssue HK. She then goes ten yds with her model 36 and blows the center out of 3" square "post it note" from 10 yds. Old loudmouth totally freaked when she loaded up and said from 25yds " any bets I can keep 'em all in a 5" plate from here?" :D

[twoblink]

Yeah, I tend to agree, Snubbies are good for 3-4 feet, until you PULL THE TRIGGER.

I've been able to shoot pretty accurately a 38Spl-SWC out to 75feet and keep it within 6".

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. As others have noted, the gunshop person was either ignorant or lying. Yes, the little J-frames are more difficult to hit with, but they are darned sure convenient to carry 24/7. I carry one every day. Not as much fun to me as 1911s or Hi Powers, I still practice with mine fairly regularly.

Not the best groups in the world, but at 10 yards DAO, they'll do....at least for me.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid31/p7269b0c493e68e497f6265c865fda367/fd45c087.jpg

Best.

[twoblink]

The other thing I want to point out about snubbies, easy to carry, and hard to pry from your hands. Also, because they are so small, they point easily, almost like your finger, and so in a jam, they are very easy to aim, at least for me...

Anybody else experience this?

[foghornl]

.38 Snubby only shoots 3-4 feet? ? ? ?

Dang, my snubby must be defective....it frequently can hit the standard BG sillouette at 10 yards, sometimes as far as 20 Yds.

[Matt G]

Hm.
Dad was kinda embarrassed at throwing a couple of shots off the man silohuette at 100 yds with his alloy 2" Colt Agent, the other day...

I'll have to let him know you can't hit anything beyond 4' with that gun. ;)


CZ's may just be the best value in full-sized pistols out there.

[firestar]

"Well, the moron behind the counter told a shopper that a 38 snubbie is only good for 3-4 feet, and the guy bought the story. I let them be, stupid is as stupid does.........."

I wish I had known that! I would just buy a sword or something. The good thing is that if a Bad Guy has a .38 snubbie pointed at you and he is more than 4' away, he can't hit you! Yeehaw!

If I was at the gun shop at the time, I would have asked the store owner if he would care to stand 5' away from me while I tried to hit him with a .38.
:rolleyes: I bet he wouldn't do it. I bet he wouldn't do it if it were 40' or 400'! Why do people spout this nonsense?

[Tamara]

My boss at the gun shop I used to work at back in GA used to demo how useless snubbies were past 4' by emptying a J-frame into a pie plate at fifty yards shooting double action. :rolleyes:

[Dave T]

Interestingly enough I had a student at qualification on Saturday say much the same thing about his Ruger SP101. He was telling another student that it wasn't good for anything much beyond 2-3 yards.
Since I try to have my students go away with as much information as possible I had to correct him. I said with practice you could keep all your shots on a silhouette (IPSC) at 50 yards with a 2" barrel. He didn't believe me and held out five rounds of 357 Magnum ammunition as said to prove it.
Now I'm not the world's best DA revolver shooter, but I started my LEO career with a Model 28 and a Model 60, so I sent him down to 50 yards with a target and stand. When He got back I took the gun from him, loaded it and fired five from off-hand, DA. When we walked down to look at the target there were five new holes in it. The fixed sights weren't regulated very well and the hits were low and to the right, but they were on the silhouette.
The so called "snub nosed" revolver shoots better than most everyone who owns them.

[Redlg155]

Next time have a tape measure out and measure off 5 feet. Give him 6 feet just in case you want to shoot +P and ask him to stand in front of you. :D

Oh..and ask him to sign a waiver first.


Good Shooting
RED

[Elmer Snerd]

Dang, my snubby must be defective....it frequently can hit the standard BG sillouette at 10 yards, sometimes as far as 20 Yds.
You probably have a "Sniper Snubby".

[JohnK]

Well, the moron behind the counter told a shopper that a 38 snubbie is only good for 3-4 feet, and the guy bought the story.

How did you keep from bursting out in laughter at him?

You should have bet him the gun that you could hit a silhouette at 40 yards (easy shot).

[badgerrr]

My buddies girl friend was interested in trying out some small handguns, to see what kind she would like to get for her CWP. I chipped in with my Colt Agent.

She was shooting at tin cans & bowling pins at about 15 yards, and decided against the Agent. "Too inaccurate". After she had done her testing....I said, "Lemme show you something."

I thumbed the cylinder full and stepped up to the point where we had been firing at a small steel target 60 yards away with the SKS's.

"Bang -Tink......Bang -Tink....Bang -Tink .....Bang -Tink...Bang -Tink.....Bang -Tink"

Six shots....Six hits, I turned to her and said, "You see, this gun is very accurate.....once you learn how to use it. ;)

[benelli12]

Longbow,
Ive seen that one also. I remember he had a 454 and then a 38 snub nosed. He was a pretty amazing shot.
I was out with my friend shooting a snubby 38, and I could consistantly hit 6 by 6 inch tiles at 75 yards, on a rest. I love snub nosed revolvers.

[kmrcstintn]

Guess the idiot salesperson at that shop is one these types:

1) would buy a snubby (to 'have a gun' just in case)
2) shoot 1 bullet through it (to make sure it worked)
3) load the cylinder (with the cheapest lead round nose target load)
4) throw the poor gun in a drawer (at least it would be virtually new when he would sell it)
5) never touch the damn thing again (until his wife got tired of moving it to put his socks away and she tells him to sell it)

if he is one of these people, then 4 feet is about all he could manage...of course the perp would probably have clubbed him, stabbed him, or shot him before he could bring the gun to bear!

:cuss:

it's not the equipment (snubby) so much as it is the person using the equipment; I'll admit that I'm not that great when I rush my practice sessions with the snubby, but if I slow down a bit and ease into a good practice session, then I reassert that the snubby will do its job as long as I do mine!

[Starter52]

2.5" S&W Model 66 + lifesize metalman target at 100 yards = 5 out of 6 hits.
I've done this more times than I can count.

[aguyindallas]

Hell, if they are only good to 3-4 feet, ask him if you can shoot at him at 6 feet for testing purposes....:neener:

What an idiot!

[M2 Carbine]

HSMITH
Well, the moron behind the counter told a shopper that a 38 snubbie is only good for 3-4 feet, and the guy bought the story. I let them be, stupid is as stupid does..........


I love running into these kind of gun "experts".

They immediately shut up when I offer to let them make some money.
I tell them, "I'll give you $20 every time I miss a silhouette target, at 100 yards, using a J Frame Smith and you give me $10 every time I hit it".
"It's a sure thing, money in your pocket since the 2 inch snubbie is worthless past a couple yards, right?":)

100 yards. No misses with the Model 60. The pasters are a couple 38 spotting rounds and a couple magazines from my Beretta Minx 22 Short. Did miss several rounds with the Beretta.:o
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/SWmod60100yards.jpg

[10-Ring]

One of the games we play for beers is shooting business card logos at 20 yards w/ a either a j-frame or sp101 - dao :evil:

[CK]

Where is his shop? Since that is his claim, maybe we can barter a cheaper price for the snubbie in his shop.;)

[JLaw]

"Well, the moron behind the counter told a shopper that a 38 snubbie is only good for 3-4 feet, and the guy bought the story."

Hmmm, yeah, my 158 grain LSWC's moving at 800 FPS just seem to die out around 5 feet, good thing is I can pick up the fired bullets that pooped out and reload them to really save money on ammo!

JLaw

[hpg]

That idiot obviously hasn't seen Bob Munden shoot baloons @200 yards with his S&W 36......hpg

[Handyman]

This is funny because the guy behind the counter where I bought my 2.25" SP101 said the gun was useless beyond ten feet . Obviously I didn't believe him . At another store the guy behind the counter told me the Marlin 30-30 was a 500 yard gun . At another store , the guy said the 30-30 wasn't any good beyond 75 yards . These weren't "real" gun shops , they were chain sporting goods stores .

[Skywarp]

It's not because it's a snubbie. It's because the .38 Spl round goes so slow!!! Barely makes it 4 feet before gravity takes over! He should have pointed out a real fast mover! The 45 ACP:neener:

[denfoote]

Your gunshop guy is either a fool, charlatan, or both!!

Shot with a Taurus M85 UL at 10 yards.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/denfoote/M85ULtarget10yds.bmp

As touching the CZ, they are good guns. Unfortunately, they are to big for my hand!! Including the CZ75 compact!! Otherwise, I'd have one!!

[Jomax]

Some gun store salespeople see no merit whatsoever in revolvers. They have a semi-automatic mindset. Plus, from a marketing perspective, they can sell a few more accessories for many of the semi-autos, i.e. spare mags, mag pouches, clip-on tactical lights, night sights, etc. Glocks probably offer the salesperson the most lucrative array of gear and stuff to sell from.

And, I think the big fear for many is that once the individual buys a revolver and shoots it, he or she may not like it and want to trade it back in. Same goes I believe for the obvious reluctance to sell Kel-Tecs.

IMO, a lot of stores seem to default almost immediately to more affordable, more familiar and respected semi-autos such as Glock 19, 26, Beretta Tomcat and Walther PPK. Or, try to sell up to the other more expensive brands and models.

It is after all a business.

[armoredman]

I have owned and carried, a Taurus 85CH, (given to a coworker about 10 years ago, when her gun melted in a car fire), and a Taurus 605, (given to my brother when he was gunless, scumwad sold it.), and I can't forget my very first centerfire handgun, a Charter Arms Off Duty .38 spl,(Not Charco, not Charter 2000, way back when Charter Arms was still in business.), which was only accurate in my hands. Nobody else could hit squat with it, but I could.:)
As it stands now, it's all CZs for me, but I wouldn't feel too bad if I had to carry a 38 snub, if I get to have a 3" barrel...:cool:

[SuperNaut]

That idiot obviously hasn't seen Bob Munden shoot baloons @200 yards with his S&W 36

I was about to post the same thing. I love it when he smirks; "now that's an impossible shot" right after nailing it in one.;)

[kmrcstintn]

Here's another viewpoint I just arrived at...this is for that moronic salesperson:

give him his choice of 2 firearms...a snubby revolver with an internal or shrouded hammer (eg: Smith & Wesson 642, 442, 640, 638, 649, etc) & a 'high tech' micro semiatuo (Kel-Tec, Kahr, etc)...now give him this scenario:

you are wearing a coat or jacket and have decided to CCW by placing the handgun in the front jacket pocket on his 'strong' side; a perp with a bladed weapon or impact weapon (club, stick, pipe, etc) approaches and closes the distance before he is able to proerly draw and fire...he is left with the option of firing the gun through the jacket/coat pocket and it may take multiple shots to get the perp to stop his advance...

in this case, I will always choose to have one of them snubbies that only shoots 4 feet since I can get 5 shots off without the material inside the pocket jamming up the firearm...just try that with one of them 'high tech' semiautos

***BTW: my full-time CCW is a snubby...S&W 642 (internal hammer)***

NOT mine, but a few pics of the model I have

[MCgunner]

Forget the guy's name, exhibition shooter, but was on a shooting show on the outdoor channel the other day popping a ballon off hand at 200 yards with a 2" model 60 Smith. :D It can be done.

My 2" Taurus and the 2" Rossi I sold both shoot 3" at 25 yards. My 3" Rossi shoots 2" at 25 yards. That's guns off sandbags, but I can mow down the 6" plates at that range off hand with either of 'em and that's good nuf for me. :D

I wonder how some idiots get jobs at gun shops.

Hey, kmrcstintn, that assumes you wear a coat. I wear one...maybe a month out of the year, maybe, and a light one at that. I can, however, carry my Kel Tec in a front jeans pocket with my hand on it and I can be out of the pocket firing ACCURATELY almost as fast as I could fire point shooting from a coat pocket.

Don't know where you live, but down here it ain't cold enough for a coat most of the year. So far this year, I've worn a coat maybe a dozen days including hunting and it's been unusually cold for this time of year.

Originally Posted by hpg
That idiot obviously hasn't seen Bob Munden shoot baloons @200 yards with his S&W 36

Mmm, I guess I should read all the posts first, eh? LOL! Bob Munden, that's the man. That was pretty cool to watch. I thought he said he had a M60? Oh, well, 200 yards with a snubby is the point.

[MD_Willington]

hmm the S&W 649 I shot must be something special then, it was good for ~ 25 feet, unless steel plates magically chime all by themselves :neener:

[mikedavis120]

um i use a S&W .38 special snubnose with a 1.75" barrel

Its has a laser sight so i don't brag about accuracy with it cause thats cheating but even with the laser tuned off i can hit a 6 inch group at 25 yrds so yeah... that dealers needs to get a new job.
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/mikedavis120/guns006.jpg

[ArchAngelCD]

My cousin is now a Sargent in a very large city's PD. He has been carrying his 640 24/7 for 15 years now. He has moved over to a 9mm as a service piece but still carries his old 640 as a backup and off duty. All the "new kids on the block" laugh when they see him take out the 640 during qualifications but soon stop laughing when he shoots a 100% with his little snubbie....

[S&Wfan]

Dang!

Where is that shop?

I'd love to go in there, pick out the nicest S&W snubbie they had, and then bet the guy enough money to buy that gun and about 100 rounds of ammo that I could put all five shots into a 4" circle at 25 yards.

After all, I need a new J-frame!;)

Heck, with good, consistent ammo a snubby will shoot as accurately as a 6." Only the shorter sight picture makes 'em more difficult to shoot. However, with a good "sight picture" a competent shooter can shoot 'em quite well.

T.

[The Real Hawkeye]

The guy behind the counter doesn't know what he's talking about. Here is a target I shot with a snubbie at 30 yards. That would ruin anyone's day. Notice that only one shot out of 18 scored less than -1. http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=47947&d=1163632118

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=47944&d=1163631952

[crazyhorse]

Sp101, daily carry in warm weather. Great at 25 yards

:evil:

[PX15]

Man, I've owned a snubby or two since 1969 and always thought I had been pretty well armed for the purposes of up close and personal self defense..

What a bummer to find out at this late date my firearm of choice wouldn't reach past 4 feet... Yikes..

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/Laserlips/100_5040.jpg

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

[kmrcstintn]

mikedavis120:

your pic is a bit fuzzy and I am wondering which of the Federal HydraShok loads you use...I am seeking a new snubby load (my current is the Hornady 125 gr XTP non +p) and what little info I have been able to find on this XTP load indicates it is more likely to NOT EXPAND and overpenetrate and exit;

Is your load the 129 gr .38 +p HydraShok or the 110 gr .38 non +p Hydrashok?

Thanks.

[jad0110]

Man, I've owned a snubby or two since 1969 and always thought I had been pretty well armed for the purposes of up close and personal self defense..

What a bummer to find out at this late date my firearm of choice wouldn't reach past 4 feet... Yikes..

Yikes is right, and being that they are so useless, just hand them over to me since you don't need 'em ;) !

That is one sweet snubby collection you got their, I'm jealous!

[Halo is for Kids]

Here's a couple of groups at 21 feet...Speer Gold Dot 135gr.

10 shot:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/haloisforkids/1.jpg

5 shot:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/haloisforkids/2.jpg

Another 5 shot:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/haloisforkids/3.jpg