I am glad more cops don't sound like this guy


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sturmruger
July 12, 2004, 08:40 PM
This is a quote from a Cop that commented on post over on Packing.org (www.packing.org). The post was concerning the new National LEO carry law. This guy makes me so mad I couldn't even think straight when I wrote back to him. My email to him wasn't very nice, but I wasn't trying to be his best friend. I also made the mistake of assuming he is the same age as me. I was saying some stuff to piss him and was bummed that it didn't work very well.

Just for the record most of the cops I have shot with shot better then I. I Was just trying to get a rise out him. I in no way have anything against LEOs.



HR 218 by CACOP email address inspector1977@yahoo.com

Finally this important law passes! Law enforcement officers should definitely have the right to carry anywhere in the USA. We are police academy trained and have passed rigorous and lengthly background checks, psychological exams, physical and have good ethics and morals. I am against CCW for civilians! However, I support and will defend our 2nd amendment rights to bear arms. All law abiding civilians shall have the right to purchase and possess any firearms while in their house. They should not be allowed to carry a concealed firearm anywhere outside of their property. They are a liability waiting to happen..... Cops in CA have the best training and have higher standards than any other state in the nation. We also have the highest number of officers killed in the line of duty every year. However, I respect my fellow brothers and sisters serving this nation ! in uniform and support CCW rights for them when they travel to CA. If you want to carry a concealed firearm, become a cop! Don't cry because you can't get hired as a cop. Thank God we have a great President, Vice President, Secretary of Defense who understands that Homeland Security is our #1 priority. With this new law, we have many more trained law enforcement officers ready to defend our great nation, no matter where they are and where they go. Reference below : www.post.ca.gov



My reply
Norm Walker <NormW@ranch.bz> wrote:

You must be joking, I can't believe you could honestly believe what you said on Packing.org. I have a carry permit here in the state of MN. There are close to 20K permit holders in this state and not one in the last 5 years has ever been arrested for a firearms related offense. I wish I could find the link if I do I will email it to you, but in the state of Texas they had found that the most law abiding group in the entire state are the permit holders. Yes they are even more law abiding then the full time LEO. If you ever go to work in another state that actually issues permits you will have a rude awakening. We aren't the problem we are law abiding citizens that just want to be safe.

Oh one more thing, so far I shoot better then about 75% of the cops I have shot with. Most of them only shoot once every 3 months. I shoot several times per week, and not that pussy line up and shoot the paper targets. I compete in an IPSC league so we are shooting combat courses.

I am guessing by your email address that you were born in 77 that means you are the same age as me. I think you should look into civilian carry permits more before you start making judgments on a topic that you don't know much about.



Norm Walker
SturmRuger




His reply

Is there a reason why you didn't get hired as a law enforcement officer?
If you want to CCW........join your local, state, federal law enforcement agency!
Simple as that.

Don't get me wrong, I still respect you as a fellow American. Do I believe that cops are better than the average civilian? Yes.

Take care and be safe.

Next Reply

By the way, 1977 is my badge number, not my year of birth kiddo!

Civilians do not deserve to CCW. More liability. If you want to CCW, you have to earn it and prove that you are good enough to have that privilege/right. Until then, keep your guns at home where they belong.

Cops here in CA don't like wannabe cops running around with a concealed weapon.




I don't know what to say next!! This guy has me so befuddled I don't even no what to say in a reply. He so believes what he is typing it is kind of scary. Any ideas that people have would be welcome. Oh and if you want to email this jackass yourself feel free. :fire:

PS I did not make this up!! I could never imagine sXXt this crazy!

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boofus
July 12, 2004, 08:53 PM
Tell him to go stick his head in an oven. His job is to uphold the law, not make them up. If the state legislature decides to pass CCW it doesn't matter what he thinks. Otherwise he should consider another line of work. :fire:

Wildalaska
July 12, 2004, 08:57 PM
How do ya know he is a cop instead of a troll?

WilditstheinternetyoucanbewhoyawantAlaska

sturmruger
July 12, 2004, 08:58 PM
Ya I wondered that too Wild, but the stuff about the badge number made me think he might actually be legit. Plus it honestly sounds like he is bitter at these "wannabes".

Definetly a Troll, but I guess I will never know if he is a real cop or not.

capt. Nemo
July 12, 2004, 08:59 PM
If you argue with a fool, someone looking on can't tell which one is the fool.

This individual is either trolling and trying to yank your chain or he really IS an idiot. Are all of the retired Special Forces, Recon Marines, Combat Veterans and qualified, proficient and highly trained civilians currently - or former - law enforcement officers?

Are ALL LEOs proficient, knowledgable and safe? Damn, I support our LEOs but if they were all as this guy describes we should turn them loose on terrorists everywhere.

Don't feed the trolls. If this guy is really a LEO he doesn't represent the VAST majority of them in this country. Maybe in China or Saudi or North Korea or some other third-world s#$t hole he would have an audience, but here, he's just another fascist, left-wing idiot...much like the ones who shouted "seig heil!!" in 1939.

Maybe I'm all wet...but if you want my guns, come and get'em.

Buck:fire:

fjolnirsson
July 12, 2004, 09:03 PM
This is what they are teaching new recruits in CA. This exact type of thinking. It's one thing I argued with instructors about every day.
CA POST is teaching recruits that cops are better than "civilians".
It's a sad fact that CA no longer wants peace officers. They want mindless liberal drones. And for the most part, that's what they are getting.
All the more reason for me to become a cop. Maybe I can change attitudes from the inside.

capt. Nemo
July 12, 2004, 09:03 PM
Damn you boys are fast...I need to take a typing class!

R.H. Lee
July 12, 2004, 09:06 PM
*shrug*

That opinion is probably representative of most cops. No big. Actually, I don't think anyone should be allowed to pack, except me.:neener:

sturmruger
July 12, 2004, 09:07 PM
Fjolnirsson good luck on the inside. Do police officers that are not antis have a secret handshake or something??? You might need one someday!

Watch your six, and keep fighting the good fight.

Hazwaste
July 12, 2004, 09:17 PM
Clearly a troll. He's way over the top, trying desperately to get people at packing.org fired up, but hardly anybody is taking the bait. Just ignore him and maybe he'll go away. :)

Standing Wolf
July 12, 2004, 09:19 PM
Do I believe that cops are better than the average civilian? Yes.

Mao would have understood.

crucible
July 12, 2004, 09:20 PM
Civilians do not deserve to CCW. More liability. If you want to CCW, you have to earn it and prove that you are good enough to have that privilege/right

Do not deserve? Screw you officer freindly-MY family and myself deserve everything I can do to protect them, everywhere, at all times. Not just when he shows up *after* we've been murdered to bitch amount the amount of paperwork he's gotta do. Liability for whom? Perhaps he wasn't paying attention in English class when they spoke of the meaning of crime victim-with the defining operative that they were a vicitim because they could not or were not able to protect themselves and became so.

I have to earn CCW? I've served 8 years in the USMC, been shot at, driven over landmines, mortored, and lots of other fun things to "earn' my citizenship and it's rights, pal. Earn? The US government trusted me, as an 18 year old USMC PFC of no special importance, with millions of dollars and lives in a whole lot higher stress situations than writing a traffic ticket or surfing the web posting 'civilian trash don't deserve to defend themselves' comments. I was trained, and remain highly skilled with, all kinds of weapons and thier use and employment. Earn my CCW?

I earned that and a whole lot more jerk.

???? him ( and those ???? certainly weren't the word 'love').

Cruc, who is a bigtime LE supporter for the most part too, Cruc

Dbl0Kevin
July 12, 2004, 09:21 PM
Wow that guy is a total jerk! I will usually try to have an officer's back, but when someone says something THAT ignorant he's on his own. Unfortunately, just as in every other group, there are some people who make the rest look bad. :cuss:

fjolnirsson
July 12, 2004, 09:22 PM
Well, I'm not on the inside yet.
I paid my way through the academy last year, only to get dumped 2 weeks before graduation. I pulled a muscle, tore some cartilage, and missed the required Time on a Physical Agility test by 4/10 of a second.
5 months and $6,000 down the drain.
For now, I'm working as Public Safety for a 10,000 resident retirement community and trying to shed 50 lbs I put on during recovery.
In the meantime, I'm trying to get hired as a reserve officer. A lot of departments around here hire from their reserves first. I don't want to waste any more $.

Josey
July 12, 2004, 09:34 PM
Bergen County, New Jersey, San Diego City and County, California, Seattle, Washington, Portland, Oregon and many jurisdictions in formerly conservative Arizona and New Mexico have liberal, anti-gun and LEOs ARE the only ones to be trusted with firearms politichiefs. I have seen this attitude from politichiefs in Houston, Atlanta and Los Angeles too. We, the citizens are civilians. The police are only here to write up the reports. Sad. It is not what I saw when I pinned on my first badge. 9 murders in 22 hours in New York City. Guns are verboten in NYC. Only the police should have guns. I can think of several NDs that LEOs have had, in public, in schools and on camera. My local police have started trying to become certified LEOs. There is not 100% participation and this program started in January 2003. A single officer and the politichief are the only two officers certified as yet. I cannot support a superiority by being a LEO premise. BTB, my highest badge number was 1. I was a police chief. There aren't many around today. I support CCW by ALL who qualify.

capt. Nemo
July 12, 2004, 09:37 PM
Waiting for the cleanup crew to collect evidence in not what I intend to do if my family is in harm's way...unless they're there to collect those things from the bad guys remains.

Buck

MaceWindu
July 12, 2004, 10:12 PM
...are NOTORIOUS for their superior attitude....check this out:

http://glocktalk.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=30

...on Glocktalk.com they are just a bunch of elitist *bleep*....


Ok..lets ask them about:

San Francisco PD: The Fajita Gate Incident...(Cops convicted and fired for beating up a civilian over some fajitas, one being the Police Chief's son :)

LAPD: Rampart Division (CORRUPT)

Oakland PD: The Oakland Ryders (Renegade cops planting evidence, falsifying reports, etc...)

LAPD: The Rodney King Incident (Need I say more on this topic?)

LAPD: Recently a cop RAN UP to a detained suspect and kicked him in the head (..on TV..)

Yeah, the track record of CA PD is taking a serious hit...

Question: How many cops, what % have actually been in a shootout? The majority only practice enough to qualify...so don't talk to me about liability...

Some of us shoot EVERY WEEK, year round....

MaceWindu

MaceWindu
July 12, 2004, 10:18 PM
....who do their job and do it well the last post was not directed @ you. You have a tough job and I respect it...I apologize in advance if you thought that it was directed @ you.....

MaceWIndu

madcowburger
July 12, 2004, 10:44 PM
I don't "wannabe" any sort of cop.

I'm not a bit interested in pushing other people around or telling people what to do or bullying them, or in babysitting a lot of spoiled teenage delinquents.

What I "wannabe" is a free American living in a free country with the full, free, uninfringed, untrammeled exercise of all my rights, all the time.

Well, I guess it's bad enough where I am, but at least I'm not in Fornicalia and am not likely to be hassled by *that* ... whatever he is. Words fail me, for once. That guy would have felt right at home in the old East Germany or the former USSR. :fire:

MCB

WonderNine
July 12, 2004, 10:50 PM
Sounds like a typical us vs. them brainwashed California cop to me.

Aside from everything else stupid he said, What if I don't wanna be a cop jack@$$!!!

Soup NAZI:
No soup for you!

patentnonsense
July 12, 2004, 10:50 PM
That bigmouth IS a civilian -
tell him to go talk to a recruiter.

WonderNine
July 12, 2004, 11:02 PM
^^^ You're probably right now that I read this some more.

Still sad though.

RevDisk
July 12, 2004, 11:12 PM
Civilians do not deserve to CCW. More liability. If you want to CCW, you have to earn it and prove that you are good enough to have that privilege/right. Until then, keep your guns at home where they belong.

I've probably fired more 40mm HE grenades than the total number of rounds put through his current sideam. Possibly more than the gentleman has fired in his entire life. If I am trusted with an automatic grenade launcher, being trusted to carry around a handgun should be a non-issue.

Lucky for me, it is a non-issue. I'm in a good state with a good CCW. $19 and a trip to the county courthose is all it takes here in PA.

I'm sure there are many many LEO's that like firearms and trust their law abidding citizens with CCW. I'm sure there are a good number that do not think any citizens should be able to CCW. So what? LEO's enforce the law, they do not create the law. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I respect the job they have. I wouldn't want it.

My sympathies to those in states where you are not trusted with CCW. Keep up the good work, and keep trying to make a better, safer USA.

Hawkmoon
July 12, 2004, 11:27 PM
The fool who wrote that paragraph can't even write ONE paragraph that's grammatically correct -- how intelligent do you think he is? Ignore him. You weren't planning to visit ********** soon anyway, right? So he won't bother you unless you let him.

**********ns have an attitude problem. A few years ago they tried to force all 49 other states to recoognize THEIR architectural licensing exam as the equal of the national exam. I stumbled across some of their reasons in an article. What their licensing board said gave me the distinct impression that wind, rain, snow, ice, and earthquakes occur ONLY in ********** and thus they are the ONLY state that has a clue how to design a building to withstand any of the above.

My question was, if **********'s laws and regs are so much better, and their architects and engineers are so much better .... why is it that whenever I read about a house sliding down a hill in a mudslide I can automatically assume it's in ********** and be right 100% of the time?

AngryBassets
July 13, 2004, 12:36 AM
That guy is a complete tool.

JPL
July 13, 2004, 12:49 AM
Typical mindless dog attitude I've seen from so many worthless pieces of scum who fancy themselves white knights in blue uniforms.

I've had dealings with many, many police officers over the last 40 years, some have been OK, many (especially in the late 1960s and early 1970s) were not.

I've found very few "law officers" who are worth the price of the chemicals in their carcasses.

WonderNine
July 13, 2004, 12:51 AM
Most cops are generally supportive of CCW as far as I know especially of the licensed CCWer's. It's the police chiefs and other assorted clowns with "asses the shape of their chair" as Dirty Harry said, that tend to be the pro-AWB anti-CCW crowd. California cops are a different creature though. 'making more generalizations'

Powderman
July 13, 2004, 01:07 AM
sturmruger:

Please provide a link to that thread. I wanna go over there and nuke it--especially that superiority complex puke that calls himself a cop!

Yours,

Powderman
(Your friendly neighborhood Tribal cop who positively LOVES CCW for all, and strongly supports national CCW, without permit, for every adult)

gp59
July 13, 2004, 02:50 AM
Hey guys it's simple, if he is a cop, and he has the typical God with a gun complex, then just ignore him. fastest way to piss him off.
If he's a wannabe nobody troll then ignore him and he will eventually give up and go away.

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

whm1974
July 13, 2004, 03:58 AM
My question was, if **********'s laws and regs are so much better, and their architects and engineers are so much better .... why is it that whenever I read about a house sliding down a hill in a mudslide I can automatically assume it's in ********** and be right 100% of the time?

Because ********** is the only state in the union to have mudslides?

-Bill

Yowza
July 13, 2004, 09:35 AM
Because ********** is the only state in the union to have mudslides? More likely because Californians are the only ones hard up enough for real estate to build on top of a mud slide.

Rick

Ransom
July 13, 2004, 09:50 AM
Cops here in CA don't like wannabe cops running around with a concealed weapon.

I'd simply reply with "Wow, nice to know the cops in CA would rather I be a victim than to actually defend myself. Such high regard for those you are supposed to serve and protect. No wonder police get a bad name in that state."

armoredman
July 13, 2004, 10:22 AM
I sent him a reply, with this article from the Saturday Arizona Daily Star
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/29510.php


10 YEARS OF CONCEALED-WEAPONS LAW
No evidence of impact on crime

A.E. Araiza / Arizona Daily Star
Preparing to seek concealed-carry permits, Wendy Pennington, left, and Ann Larson get advice from shooting range officer Alan Webber Sr.



Permits in Southern Ariz.

● Tucson and Southern Arizona areas with the most concealed-weapon permit holders (by zip code):

Area Zip Code Permits

East Side 85710 839

Southeast Side 85730 631

Oro Valley 85737 625

Sierra Vista 85635 569

Northeast Side 85749 553

Corona de Tucson 85741 518

Northwest Side 85704 506

Foothills 85750 488

Midtown 85711 474

West Side 85745 465


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Efforts to ease requirements for permits fought
By Eric Swedlund
ARIZONA DAILY STAR

Ten years after it became legal to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona with a permit, proponents say the law has been an absolute success, increasing self-defense options for law-abiding adults without a consequential increase in crime.

While law enforcement officials still keep a close eye on the process and opponents continue to fight attempts to ease requirements to get the permits, there are no real data to suggest the program has led to more gun crime.

Since the state Department of Public Safety began taking applications for the permits in July 1994, more than 120,000 have been issued.

As of May, 67,951 Arizona residents had active permits and 2,311 residents of other states also had Arizona permits, DPS statistics show.

More than half of the permits - 36,520 - are held by Maricopa County residents. Pima County is second with 12,107 permits, about 18 percent of those in the state.

A permit is suspended if a person is arrested on a felony or a domestic violence misdemeanor and then revoked upon a conviction. About 1 percent of the permits have been suspended or revoked, though roughly 40 percent of permits aren't renewed for various reasons, including waning interest or death. emphasis added

Among permit holders, the two largest demographic groups are white or Hispanic men in their 40s and 50s, who combine for 36 percent of all permits. Women make up 20 percent of the permit holders, with the majority of them also being in their 40s and 50s.

The highest concentration of concealed-weapon carriers is in the Glendale 85308 zip code, with 1,042 permit holders. Scottsdale's 85254 zip code is second with 906 permit holders. Tucson's East Side 85710 zip code is third with 839 permit holders.

"A model for other states"

"We feel the program has done very well over the past 10 years," said Sgt. Bill Whalen, supervisor of the DPS Concealed Weapon Permit Unit. "The program has served as a model for other states."

There has been no analysis of whether the concealed-weapon law has had any effect on crime, Whalen said, but nearly everything he's heard points to the vast majority of permit holders as responsible gun owners focused on safety.

"All the people who get concealed weapon permits are law-abiding citizens. These are the people who aren't getting in trouble," Whalen said. "The people who don't care for laws, in general, don't get permits."

Everyone who applies for a permit must complete a training program that covers gun safety, marksmanship and laws regarding use of force.

Judges have even ordered people to take the course after minor gun violations because it is so thorough, Whalen said.

Any U.S. citizen or permanent resident alien over 21 years old with no felony convictions can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon by submitting fingerprints for a criminal background check and completing a 16-hour firearms safety course, under the law. The $50 permits must be renewed every four years.

The bill passed both houses of the Legislature by large margins, 44-16 in the House and 23-4 in the Senate. The measure was signed into law in April 1994 by then Gov. Fife Symington and took effect the following July. The first permits were issued three months later.

Arizona law recognizes concealed-weapons permits from 28 other states, while there are 23 states that recognize Arizona permits, Whalen said.

There have been "virtually no problems" with the law, said Pima County Superior Court Clerk Patti Noland, who sponsored the legislation as the Republican chairwoman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"A lot of the critics that didn't want to see this happen thought there'd be blood running in the streets, and that just hasn't happened," she said.

Noland, who has renewed her permit twice, said the law encourages responsibility and safety with firearms.

"One of the things we wanted people to do is become better educated about our laws and better able to handle a weapon," she said. "They know a lot more about protecting themselves and what the law says about using deadly force."

Several changes proposed

The debate over concealed weapons in Arizona continues.

Among the proposed changes to the law in recent years: establish lifetime permits; reduce the fine for illegally carrying a concealed weapon from $2,500 to $50; allow people with permits to carry weapons in establishments that serve alcohol; and reduce the mandatory training hours.

None of the measures haspassed, but some of them might return to the Legislature.

"Every single year they've come back to the state Legislature and tried to weaken the law. They'll be back next year, they always are," said Gerry Anderson, executive director of Arizonans for Gun Safety, an advocacy group created to prevent gun violence.

Anderson said Arizona has one of the better concealed-carry laws in the country, with thorough criminal background checks, training and four-year renewal periods.

"Proponents say it's been fabulous and crime has gone down, but it's all very anecdotal," she said. "Crime statistics depend on so many multiple variables."

Anderson said her group's opposition isn't directed at the law so much as the repeated attempts to change it.

"The current law seems to be working relatively well," she said. "I couldn't tell you that it has been a complete disaster or a complete success, but we certainly don't want it to be any weaker."

Former legislator Elaine Richardson, a Tucson Democrat who gave the bill a "strong no" vote while serving in the House of Representatives, said she isn't sure what has been shown as far as effects of the law, but her feelings haven't changed.

"I'm as strongly opposed to it as I was 10 years ago," Richardson said. "If I go to the grocery store or someplace and somebody has a weapon, I want to know about it."

Richardson said she "certainly didn't want to take away anybody's right to bear arms," but opposition to the bill did bring about some reasonable prohibitions. For example, people cannot have concealed weapons in certain locations, such as schools and businesses that serve alcohol. And people with misdemeanor domestic violence convictions or who are under court orders cannot obtain permits.

Richardson said her opposition is simple. "I just think if somebody has a weapon, then show it," she said.

Todd Rathner, a Tucsonan on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association, called the law a "huge success story."

"Here we are, 10 years later, some 60,000 permits later, and it's working well for law-abiding citizens and for law enforcement," he said. "The anti-gun naysayers were completely wrong when they predicted shootouts over parking spaces and testified about 'blood in the streets.' "

Training is a key to law

Craig Gordon, a former law enforcement officer and certified instructor, said people get permits for a variety of reasons. Some have been victims of crime, some are women who want to defend themselves against an assault, some are hikers who want to be within the law if they cover their holster with a jacket in cold weather.

"I've put a lot of bad people in jail and to continue to be able to carry a gun for my personal protection made sense to me," Gordon said, adding that others get permits more for the education and rarely carry a gun.

Chuck Larson, an employee at Jensen's Arizona Sportsman who has had his permit for about a year, called the training "two extremely interesting days" and said everybody leaves with a firm understanding of the law and responsibilities.

"You start to understand the aspects of the law, when you can use deadly force, why and where, because it's an extreme responsibility," he said. "I see people's attitude change after the class. They're not so cavalier, they're humbled and thoughtful. That's great; it's very beneficial."

Wendy Pennington, 34, is taking the training course for a permit because she hears shots at least once a week in her neighborhood. "I'd rather have one and not need it than need it and not have it," she said.

Ann Larsen, 44, said she is taking the training for the permit strictly for knowledge and that while she owns a gun, she doesn't plan on carrying it, concealed or otherwise.

"The concentrated information is the key to the class. I want the information and to learn how to shoot correctly, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want to carry it," she said.

"I have a lot of mixed feelings about carrying a gun in the first place," she said. "Everybody has their own choice to do what they want to do. I think it's fine to have the law that way."

● Contact reporter Eric Swedlund at 629-9412 or at eswedlund@azstarnet.com.

I then stated that 1% of AZ permit holders have thier permits revoked for any criminal reason, and I was willing to bet that more than 1% of all CA cops have been arrested....
I also identified myself as AZ LE, so we'll see what happens......

PBIR
July 13, 2004, 11:15 AM
I have a friend who is a CA LEO, I asked him to take a look at this guy's statements. Here are a few specific replies:


All law abiding civilians shall have the right to purchase and possess any firearms while in their house. They should not be allowed to carry a concealed firearm anywhere outside of their property. They are a liability waiting to happen.....

I think law abiding citizens should be able to purchase and carry firearms...Some limits of course...no machineguns or anything like that.

Do I believe that cops are better than the average civilian? Yes.

I work for the citizens of my community, so how could I be better than my employer...I do beleive I am held to a higher standard...but I thrive on being on high moral ground.

Civilians do not deserve to CCW. More liability. If you want to CCW, you have to earn it and prove that you are good enough to have that privilege/right. Until then, keep your guns at home where they belong.

BS, but I do beleive that someone carrying a firearm who is not trained in its use is a disaster waiting to happen.


Further my friend goes on to say:
If a law abiding citizen wants to carry a concealed firearm I could give a rats ass. You may, however run into trouble when you are in the grocery store and reach into your back pocket for your wallet and you gun is exposed....expect to be taken down at gunpoint and God help you if you don't do exactly what the officers tell you. I will never arrest a law abiding citizen for a concealed firearm....unless I am ordered to.


Just wanted to let you know that not all CA LEO's follow this guy's mindset, if he is really a cop at all that is...

-P-

sturmruger
July 13, 2004, 12:11 PM
Here is that link Powderman. He has been railed on pretty hard over there. If you want to chime in send him an email, and say you read his asinine comment on packing.org



http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/9711/

Rebeldon
July 13, 2004, 12:44 PM
That cop has a police-state mentality. He would have fit in well in Nazi Germany.

manwithoutahome
July 13, 2004, 02:29 PM
This is exactly what I was talking about when I said that my biggest problem with LEO's is attitude.

But, I'm beginning to see that not all LEO's are the same. As many here have made some pretty good sense and remarks that have gotten me thinking.

Wayne

fix
July 13, 2004, 02:46 PM
His name is Kevin and he is in the San Francisco area. Documented online activity from the netblock owned by:

OrgName: City & County of San Francisco
OrgID: CCSF-1
Address: EIS Networks, Department of Pubic
Address: Health, 1380 Howard Street, 3rd Floor
City: San Francisco
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94103
Country: US

NetRange: 204.68.210.0 - 204.68.210.255
CIDR: 204.68.210.0/24
NetName: AIDS
NetHandle: NET-204-68-210-0-1
Parent: NET-204-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Assignment
NameServer: NS1.DATAWAY.COM
NameServer: NS2.DATAWAY.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 1994-08-23
Updated: 1999-03-29

TechHandle: BH267-ARIN
TechName: Hurja, Bill
TechPhone: +1-415-255-3573
TechEmail: hurja@dph.sf.ca.us

Are health inspectors in SF sworn LEOs?

Powderman
July 13, 2004, 03:32 PM
Yeeeah. You GO, fix!

Wakal
July 13, 2004, 03:37 PM
Address: EIS Networks, Department of Pubic


Appropriate.




Alex

kd7ctv
July 13, 2004, 03:40 PM
When I drove truck, I told my dispatcher to keep me out of California, since they where thier own little country. I had a choice on one load, California, or Canada, I chose canada. When I was at the border crossing Canadian Customs asked me why I was going up to Canada, I told her that I had a Choice either California, or Canada, and she can see what I chose. She said that she had visited California once and the people down there where just nuts, and didn't know how to drive..lol I agreed with her, and told her that if I was going to go to a different country it might as well be one that I wanted to go to, and not one that is considerd part of my country... Besides if that big earthquake happens and California falls into the ocean, well my heart won't break...

fix
July 13, 2004, 03:42 PM
I have some pretty detailed information that I will not disclose publicly. There is no anonymity on the Internet, unless you are very good at what you do. Most folks that good put their skills to use making money and don't bother trolling the Internet looking for a fight.

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