M60-4 questions


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Newguy1
July 14, 2004, 05:19 PM
On the recommendation of THR members I bought the “Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson”, it is the Second edition (2001 printing date). Armed with this knowledge I went to a few of the local gun shops, one that I had never been to before and one that I had been to and had had a negative experience (but I was just window shopping and that doesn’t make them any money).

I just got back from Iraq, so I have some per-diem money in the bank to burn. I want to get a smallish revolver and I was looking for a M36 or a M60. The second gun shop that I went to “Knight’s Shooting Sports and Indoor Range” was really nice. They mainly focused on “bottom feeders” and only had a few wheel guns. The prices seemed to be a little high, but I haven’t bought a new gun in a while and I wasn’t ready to dicker (as I am still shopping around). The first shop, the one that I had had a bad experience in previously (employees loudly bashing cops and speaking about strippers and hookers in front of my young son) had 2 M60-4 with 3 inch full lug barrels and adjustable sights. I took a look at them and although there were surface scuffs and scratches they seemed to be in good shape. (I used the Jim March check out system…. Thanks Jim). I really liked them and while coveting one severely, I promised CinC House (the wife) that I wouldn’t buy any thing today. I quickly ran out to the truck to consult the “Book”. They were priced higher than the NIB price quoted in the book. I am sure that I can bargain them down as these pieces have been sitting there for a while.

Should I swallow my pride for a good gun... I didn't rasie a stink when they were so rude, I just quietly left. The guys that were so rude were not there and I don't know if they work there any more.

Some more random questions… Can I get speed loaders for a 5-shot J frame? Who makes a good IWB holster for these odd beasts? Any thing that I should look out for on a M60-4? Thanks for the help.

Greg

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Newguy1
July 14, 2004, 05:21 PM
Sorry this should have been on the Revolver board.

Standing Wolf
July 14, 2004, 06:53 PM
Can I get speed loaders for a 5-shot J frame? Who makes a good IWB holster for these odd beasts?

HKS makes speed loaders. Bianchi speed strips are a better idea.

I carry my pre-agreement Smith & Wesson model 60 in an inside the waist holster from http://www.kramerleather.com and sometimes a cross draw holster. They're both top quality.

Mikul
July 15, 2004, 12:41 PM
I've always wanted an M60-4.
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/us_ordnance/2M60E4Commando.jpg

Sorry, it took me a minute to realize what you were talking about.

Brian Williams
July 15, 2004, 02:10 PM
They are great guns I have one and it makes for a great do all gun. Light enough to carry yet with adjustable sights to make it very accurate. It will handle some strong 38+p loads very easily. I paid I think $300 or 350 for it.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5163
http://www.gunpix.com/gallery/Handguns/Double_Action_Revolvers/mod60a.jpg

HRT
July 15, 2004, 10:27 PM
The M60-4 is a great little pistol. Standard 158 LSWC are no prob and 124 +P are not either. Shoots like a house afire when I do my job. Holsters are kind of hard to get. I called Lou Alessi and he made up a Talon plus for me that I love. Most any of the custom makers should be able to handle the chore. I think that you will end up being much happier with the 60 than a 2" 36.

Dienekes
July 16, 2004, 02:51 AM
The M60-4s are excellent little guns for many reasons. I bought myself one for my birthday some years back and am still very fond of it. Truth to tell they're probably one of the best little packages Smith every put out.

If you do go back to that first gun shop you might make it a point to talk to the owner and let him know that you and your son didn't care for the low-class atmosphere. He may or may not know about it himself. He might care, and he might not. Either way, a customer doesn't have to put up with it.

M60-4s are not all that uncommon on-line anyway.

I think if you get one you will really like it. Most people do.

JNewell
July 16, 2004, 07:48 AM
You'll enjoy this link (http://www.sixguns.com/range/jframes.htm) by John Taffin on J-frames. There's a nice little mention of the 3" Model 60 about 1/3 of the way down.

D7tho
July 16, 2004, 11:06 AM
instead. Much more pocketable, and indeed, more controlable and powerful, too. If you want to shoot it a lot, I'd also buy a used, steel framed 9mm Kahr, so as to keep most of the wear and fouling off of the ccw gun. I see no reason to belt carry such relatively feeble and hard to control pistols. If I am going to bother with a belt gun, it's going to offer at least twice the power and controlability of the .38 snub. With a 3" barrel, the J frame is 7.3" long. The Kahr compact is 6"long, wt is 15 ozs.

pignock
July 16, 2004, 02:10 PM
Keep looking - there has to be a better deal around which will give you a stronger negotiating position for one of the two (or both :D) at Knight's.

I've got a 60-10 that I traded a Ruger Sp101 for. The S&W fit my smallish hand much better. I like the fact that the 60-10 can handle .357mags but I sure don't recommend them - way too much recoil. If I could find a good model 60-4 for a reasonable price (sub $275), I'd be sweet talking the CINC Pignock Household for it.

I've said before (in those ridiculous "one gun" threads) that if I were restricted to one handgun, the 60-10 would be it.

Good luck in your search.


Keith

jeremiah
July 19, 2004, 04:15 PM
Brian williams, where did you get those grips? Are they comfortable? I really like the looks of them.:D

Brian Williams
July 19, 2004, 05:16 PM
They are Herrets and I got them in the junk box at a local shop. The front of the butt end is(was) fairly pointy and I took them to a sander and made them parallel to the bottom of the grip frame. They cover the backstrap but not the front, I would like to get a tyler adapter for the front and they will be perfect. They are thinner than the goodyears and the checkering is not real sharp so they hide real well.

Brian Williams
July 19, 2004, 05:21 PM
I also keep debating with my self whether or not to get a cylinder for a 940 and have it fitted to this gun. I have a 940 and have swapped the cylinder into this 60 and it is a great combo.

If I did this I would get rid of my 940 and carry this 60-4 alot. I will probably call it my 960-4....

P5 Guy
July 20, 2004, 06:35 PM
Newguy1, if you did not like your shopping expeince at Knight's find someplace else in the Tampa area, but buy a 60-4 the newer ones are 357 Magnums.
I've seen them new for $375 at gunshows.
My wife lovers hers with a Hogue wooden grip.

Penman
July 20, 2004, 07:38 PM
Safariland also makes speedloaders for the J frames. Try both types and get the ones that work best for you.

Newguy1
July 20, 2004, 07:45 PM
Sorry... I wasn't too clear about the Gun Shop... The bad expericence wasn't at Knight's, it was at a different shop. I went back to the "other shop" today and talked to the guys working there. None of them were the ones who I had the problems with.

I wound up buying the gun, but as I am in the military and don't have a FL drivers licence, I have to come back with a copy of my orders and some other paper work showing my address.

I took a copy of the Revolver Check out and the M60 that I picked out checked out great.

I could only talk the shopguys down a little on the price, but I am very happy with the deal.

They did hook me up with a CWL paper work and I will go and get that filled out ASAP.

I will post photos when possible.

Newguy1
July 24, 2004, 06:10 PM
http://www.hunt101.com/img/207705.JPG

Here is the M60-4 that I bought. I haven't had a chance to fire it yet, looking forward to it.

I need to get some reloading dies, brass, shell holder, and....

I plan on shooting pretty mild loads with hard cast bullets, but I am not sure if I can load it up to +P levels. I also plan on getting some "snake shot" for it. This is going to be my "Mess around in the woods" gun.

I plan on getting a Good holster for it soon too.

I really want to get some pretty wood grips. Where is the best place to look for well fitting grips that will feel similar to the hogue Mono-Grips that are on it?

paul105
July 24, 2004, 11:53 PM
I bought one of these back in Dec 03. I've had mine back to S&W 3 times for various problems. It's back at S&W right now for hopefully the last time.

Don't get me wrong, I love this little revolver, I just got one that wasn't put together quite right.

Mine has Pachmayr Gripper Decelerator's on it -- they fit me the best, and really reduce felt recoil.

I shoot this revolver as well as any other revolver that I own -- I absolutely love it -- just wish S&W could make this particular gun work right.

Paul "Fitz" Jones
July 25, 2004, 12:22 PM
I won my Marshal's Distinguished Expert Badge with my Model 60 with one of my Fitz grips at a police range with three bullseyes up the first day. I fired the three stages rapid fire instinctively and shocked the rangemaster and myself.

Pic available

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