The movers' reaction to all my guns and ammo


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The R Hawkeye
July 15, 2004, 03:31 PM
I'm in the process of moving to a new state. As if it's not bad enough having strangers rummaging through your stuff, one mover asked me, after seeing that I had three gun safes and a huge pile of ammo, if I had any hand grenades. I thought that was a strange question, and replied, "No, why?" The other guy chimes in, "Well, all these guns and ammo. All these hollow point bullets." I informed him that if he thought I had a lot, he should take a look at my next door neighbor's house. To which he replied, "Doesn't the government ever send you guys a reminder, I mean about all this hardware ..., ask you what you need it all for?" At this, I was beginning to get annoyed, and let him know that I did not consider it the government's business what firearms or how much ammo I choose to accumulate. Then the other guy, seeing that I was getting pissed off, quickly changed the subject. That kind of ignorance really gets me fuming. Anyone else have something like that happen?

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Diesle
July 15, 2004, 03:36 PM
"fuming"....???

How about taking the time to educate a couple of dudes rather than make them think your a 'typical' hot head gun nut....?

Diesle

Ewok
July 15, 2004, 03:40 PM
"Doesn't the government ever send you guys a reminder, I mean about all this hardware ..., ask you what you need it all for?"

"I see that you're creating an arsenal, would you like help overthrowing the government?" - Clippy, the Office Assistant (http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/entertainment/clippy/)

Gump
July 15, 2004, 04:02 PM
Simple solution. Ask him nicely to take extra care of your stuff. While asking this you should be loading magazines racking slides and holstering weapons:D

Bobarino
July 15, 2004, 04:24 PM
a few statements to the movers come to mind.

#1 don't pack away my yellow pages just yet, i'll be needing them.

#2 i didn't hire you for your views on firearms. i hired you to lift the heavy stuff.

#3 you're fired. goodbye.

Bobby

jnojr
July 15, 2004, 04:32 PM
I would have taken the education road. They sound like they're clueless, not actively malicious.

deanf
July 15, 2004, 04:35 PM
"Doesn't the government ever send you guys a reminder, I mean about all this hardware ..., ask you what you need it all for?"

I guess that would come from the OOR? www.oor.gov (Office of Official Reminders)

TooTaxed
July 15, 2004, 04:37 PM
Yes...when my company transferred me to Calgary, Alberta, Canada three years ago the Canadian mover who picked up my stuff in Texas refused to take my .30-06 Springfield hunting rifle...I had to take it with me on the plane. I actually had no problem taking it in through customs there, though the official told me I had to have it under lock and key and couldn't shoot it until I got a government-issued gun possession permit. I was VERY lucky...I found out later that Canada gives its customs officials a large bit of latitude, and it could have been simply confiscated, with no compensation...and no appeal.

After fighting through Canada's anti-gun (including hunting shotguns and rifles) red tape (Boy! Can I tell you some horror stories!) I upped my NRA membership to Endowment status and became politically active upon return to the U.S...to ********** of all places! I feel I was instrumental in carrying Fresno and Fresno County Republican for the first time during the Presidential election.

I've had the wake up call...and it is frustrating to see so many gun owners here who haven't. The U.S. is losing its gun rights...the question is how fast it will happen.

morganm01
July 15, 2004, 04:56 PM
What sort of rationale do you really expect from a human donkey? Really, my aunt with down syndrome, could do the job he has chosen for himself.
And probably wouldn't ask such knuckleheaded questions. It is frustrating though I understand.

Tempting to start inquiring into his pathetic station in life though isn't it? I mean, non-english speaking uneducated immigrants come to this country and start succesful businesss, and he is a human donkey?

Just don't bother. Smile. Say goodbye.
:banghead:

Pilgrim
July 15, 2004, 10:52 PM
To which he replied, "Doesn't the government ever send you guys a reminder, I mean about all this hardware ..., ask you what you need it all for?

Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw, and the public education system have trained him well.

Pilgrim

Michigander
July 15, 2004, 10:58 PM
Doesn't the government ever send you guys a reminder, I mean about all this hardware ..., ask you what you need it all for?

To which you should have replied, "I am the government!"

krusty311
July 15, 2004, 11:57 PM
Good one Michigander.

Dbl0Kevin
July 16, 2004, 12:04 AM
How about taking the time to educate a couple of dudes rather than make them think your a 'typical' hot head gun nut....?

I'd say that the great majority of the time I have taken that tact. Lately, however, unless it's someone that I've talked with before and believe to be semi-intelligent I too get extremely annoyed when someone makes some ignorant statement from having their head up their rectum for too long. Sadly I've grown tired of beating my head against the wall in all too often vain attempts to educate idiots. So if people want to walk around in life like morons then I'm going to let them from now on.

joe sixpack
July 16, 2004, 12:11 AM
It is a perfect opportunity to enlighten the obviously propagandized
individual. If you can make a few salient points, you come across as a
reasonable man who could be like him/her, and help to switch an
anti to a gun supporter.

Most of the time their ideas are a result of anti-propaganda and ignorance.

Getting steamed will do nothing good for you or them, but I do understand
the frustration.

cheers, ab

Don of Kalifornia
July 16, 2004, 12:57 AM
Call your agent and cancel your contract with them now! I've seen this kinds of morons steal guns from a move. The company my wife works for had another company bring in a safe, that was filled with quite a few pistols and rifles, suposedly sealed, turns out the seal was tampered with, and the safe was empty.

When you get a estamator out for your move, make it a point to state the they will be moving your safes and firearms, if you get any looks, or comments back, tell the estamator, thonk you for your time, but I will not be using you!

madcowburger
July 16, 2004, 01:04 AM
Watch out, man. Maybe movers have been recruited along with exterminators, cable repairmen, and apartment managers (and pizza delivery boys) to spy and pry, snoop and snitch, tattle and inform.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125598,00.html

It sounds like they were trying to get you to admit to something illegal. I'm glad you didn't. But I'd almost bet money they told *somebody* something about how you were "stockpiling" all those guns and all that ammo.

My last three moves I moved all my guns and my gun safe *myself* (it's not a very big safe -- only about 100 pounds), in secret, as far as that could be arranged. And my gun safe is bolted to the wall inside a locked walk-in closet that I converted into a poor man's "strong room," in the master bedroom (its door is always closed and locked too whenever anyone, such as a maintenance man, has to be in here) before I even started moving in.

I made pretty sure no one saw me moving my guns and stuff in, and I keep them all out of sight. I even keep gun magazines and books out of sight of the *very* few people I allow in here. (I actively discourage visitors, usually refuse to admit people who have not made prior appointments by phone, and usually just ignore the door buzzer/intercom thingamajig) but I must occasionally have maintenance people in here to deal with the torrential roof leaks and plumbing problems.)

I think it has worked to the extent that my apartment manager doesn't know I have several guns and a lot of ammo, accessories, etc. It's a good thing, too, since she's been trying to have me kicked out of here since before I got all the way moved in, for walking on the floor, flushing the toilet, and running water. She'd *love* to have something to snitch on me to Homeland Security about.

MCB

Shanghai McCoy
July 16, 2004, 01:15 AM
Reason number 1 why we moved the Armory of Freedom ourselves when we moved up here.I don't like people touching my "stuff".

Tharg
July 16, 2004, 01:37 AM
"I see that you're creating an arsenal, would you like help overthrowing the government?" - Clippy, the Office Assistant

ROFLMAO! Nice one. =)

That being said - having to move several times through packouts in the navy, I only lost something once - It was my stupid 19" tv... it was in its own box that just "never showed up"... wouldn't suprise me people watching for guns and such w/ movers....

As for the strong room - thats a good idea! hmmmmmmmm (gears start turning.... how to convince the gf she doesn't need THAT much space...... <rofl>)

J/Tharg!

TMC
July 16, 2004, 01:49 AM
My reply would have been, "you think this is alot? according to the folks I hang around with its considered a "good start".

Zundfolge
July 16, 2004, 02:12 AM
I informed him that if he thought I had a lot, he should take a look at my next door neighbor's house.

At the risk if impugning the character of those in the moving profession, one of my oldest friend's father owns a moving company and frankly based on the quality of people he hired I would fear for your next door neighbor's security.

I won't hire movers because I have found that most of them are either thieves who use their day job to find loot or are friends of thieves who they turn what they've learned about who owns what to their thief friends.


But I agree; the ignorance of the average person about firearms laws and rights is just appalling.

"Doesn't the government ever send you guys a reminder, I mean about all this hardware ..., ask you what you need it all for?"
My pat response for this kind of stupid statement is "No! This is America, not Communist China ... not Cuba ... not the USSR!"

Powderman
July 16, 2004, 03:41 AM
I swore off movers when I lost a silver tray that my mother had given to me.

If you are moving, do NOT allow the movers to handle your firearms AT ALL. I would not even let them know that I have firearms. Move them yourself instead.

There is another alternative, though--and it protects your move better than anything else I've seen. For this method, you contact the freight company, who drops off a steel "conex" (shipping container) at your residence.

YOU pack it in.

YOU secure the load.

YOU secure and seal the container.

THEY pick up the sealed container, and deliver it to the address specified.

YOU repeat the process on the other end.

The movers have NO access to your home, and NO clue about what you put in the shipment. All that they know is that they are delivering a sealed container.

Muzzleflash
July 16, 2004, 04:56 AM
Hey- without straying too far off topic, do you have much of an idea a 800 mile long conex container move would be?

Do they come semi trailer size?

Just wondering..

whm1974
July 16, 2004, 05:11 AM
Personally I would rent a uhaul truck and move everything myself. Of course I'm too cheap to pay someone to do something I can do myself.

-Bill

odysseus
July 16, 2004, 05:44 AM
Here's a thing my family always will do and myself included. The arms stay with me or family when moving. I would not trust, nor want the liability of having my arms running around with strangers.

Here's a story: I was moving our datacenter to another facility we just built. Big name corp. mover company, with special crew and rigs for datacenter racks and servers. The packing from location A is 90% done, when the crew becomes restless and the team lead basically does nothing. Next thing, I have the "alpha" crew member telling me they want a break and eat on the way to location B. They know some "spots" along the highway. Keep in mind they have over $3Million of our server hardware - and countless $Millions in software and data on them that would take to restore. Essentially I held cool, grabbed the teamlead around the corner and in no uncertain terms made it clear how bad it was going to get and that my other hand was dialing our lead corporate attorney and possible other implications next - but I want to work with them. As scary as it could have gotten with timelines and an entire near fortune500 company's data infrastructure at risk, I personally had to drive like 20 feet behind the rig the whole way.

We got them some food when they arrived.:scrutiny:

stealthmode
July 16, 2004, 06:10 AM
i would not of made the statement about my neighbor having lots of guns he has to stay there and is now a target for theft. i dont want anybody knowing where i live or how many guns i have. and i would be upset if i knew someone let something slip out like that to strangers. i would think most guns used by criminals are stolen from regular people. just my opinion.

wingman
July 16, 2004, 08:51 AM
sad tp say best no one knows what you have don't have, we live in a
very different world then I grew up in.:(

c_yeager
July 16, 2004, 09:19 AM
Definatly do not allow movers to handle firearms and ammunition. Asside from avoiding the ackward position you found yourself in you would also avoid having some possibly "coulorfull" people from knowing that your house is a good place to find valuable and easily sellable firearms.

At least in my area moving companies have a habit of hiring "day labor" on many job. Now there are certainly some decent people doing this sort of work ( i was breifly one of them) but, they generally do not provide a calliber of individual that i would be comfortable with handling my stuff. (let alone my guns).

1911Tuner
July 16, 2004, 09:59 AM
Probably not a good idea to let strangers know too much about
what we have in the way of firearms and ammo. You could draw one of five types.

Type A...Doesn't give a rip what you have and minds his own business. A rare bird indeed.

Type B...A liberal-minded busybody who will have great concern over your
weapons, and may well be dropping a dime at this very minute to inform someone about "The nutcase with the arsenal."...complete with your
new address and possibly directions to your front door. Not uncommon for this type to embellish the story a bit. "He had a machinegun and ammo for it. I think that he had a few grenades too. Yes, yes. Always glad to be of service to the Department of Homeland Security."

Type C...A gun owner and RKBA supporter who will slow the move down a bit while he drools over your collection and describes his own. Good vibes.

Type D...A thief who knows what you have and where it'll be...May also
have other information pertaining to your work/home schedule.

Type E...In reality , this one is a Type D who pretends to be Type A, Type B, or Type C to put your mind at ease while he/she/it/they make a mental map of your new residence.

If they don't need to know, they SHOULDN'T know...and a little paranoia goes a long way toward keeping your life runnin' smoothly.

Just my nickel's worth...

Tuner

The R Hawkeye
July 16, 2004, 11:02 AM
All good comments. Thanks. Soon as the words left my mouth, I regretted the comment I made about my next door neighbor's house, but was happy that I did not specify which next door neighbor I was referring to. Really stupid to start with, though. I also hadn't given enough thought to the idea of theft, and/or informing thieves. Now I'm concerned. The guns that they transported were all locked in safes and wrapped in bubble wrap, with pillows stuffed in to keep them from moving much (the walls are also padded with foam). The only guns they saw were the ones that I am taking by car, which wouldn't fit in the safes (due to all the bubble wrap and pillows) and were leaning against the wall (mostly black powder and vintage type rifles). They knew there were guns in the safes too, but they didn't ever see them.

I also probably should not have told them what a friendly dog my pitbull is. Should have kept him locked away somewhere so they couldn't see his wagging tail, and then warned them not to go too close, as he's been known to jump fences and rip people's throats out. Oh well. Live and learn. I hope that this lesson doesn't come at a great price. Any praying types out there? Would appreciate some additional voices in regard to the safe arrival of my stuff.

Daniel T
July 16, 2004, 11:03 AM
I've used movers many times. Never once did they see a gun.

It's just better that way.

jason10mm
July 16, 2004, 11:54 AM
FWIW about "busybodies", I had a friend get the fed sicced on him when a housecleaner or some other service oriented person noticed that he had lots of radios in his house (big units on racks, not clock radios!), post 9/11. The ATF ripped apart his gun collection looking for infractions. Just pays to keep what you got away from curious, ignorant eyes. A sheet hanging in the right spot (or a closed door) could have saved him from LOTS of legal trouble.

Oh, as for my moving story, when I PCS'd from Hawaii, I packed everything into my Homak locker, secured it, and handed the movers the case. IIRC, they wanted a list of serial numbers, so I had to unpack everyhting right there. So it may behoove you to record this info BEFORE packing. Whether they have the "right" to such information is between you and the movers, I guess. Who is to say what is in a locked chest labled "Exercise equipment"? Thats how I'm moving my ammo next time.

whm1974
July 16, 2004, 06:21 PM
FWIW about "busybodies", I had a friend get the fed sicced on him when a housecleaner or some other service oriented person noticed that he had lots of radios in his house (big units on racks, not clock radios!), post 9/11. The ATF ripped apart his gun collection looking for infractions. Just pays to keep what you got away from curious, ignorant eyes. A sheet hanging in the right spot (or a closed door) could have saved him from LOTS of legal trouble.

This is why I will never hire a housecleaner. It probleay accored to your friend to hide or put any guns he had when the housecleaner came over, But he probley didn't think anything about the radios.

Keep in mind that cleaning companys are low paid deadend jobs. They have to petty much hire ANYBODY. The cleaning person could be a thief or casing your place for other thiefs.

If you have to have a service person be there, hide anything of value as well as anything that could attrack attention to yourself, such as the boxes of MRE in the corner...

-Bill

Langenator
July 16, 2004, 06:54 PM
Do they [connexes] come semi trailer size?

I've seen them as small as 8'x8'. Cute little connex cubes.

joab
July 16, 2004, 07:09 PM
I have been in pest control for 20 years and can tell you that what Tuner says is absolutly true.
I have lasted this long because I have an uncanny ability not to give a damn what is in somebody'y house, but I have seen and heard many many stories
Be safe hide your stuff, especially from the bug guy or anybody that visits your home on a routine basis. We know better than anyone when you are home and what your security measures are

Warren
July 16, 2004, 07:49 PM
All that about moving people, cleaners and such is true.

I don't like having non-family in my house. Close friends, okay. But not "friends from work" or "the neighbors" none of that crap.

So I don't even have guests come over. If my kids want to play with some other kids they can go to the park.

kulika
July 16, 2004, 09:19 PM
:what: :what:
YIKES

From your second post, I guess they are already in transit. I hope for the best. I would be prepared to file criminal charges if anything were to fall off the moving truck. You might also review any material the company has regarding liability with regard to your stuff, their personnel, etc.

fingers crossed...

The R Hawkeye
July 16, 2004, 10:28 PM
Kulika, thanks for the crossed fingers. Every little bit counts. LOL.

P.S. How's Fran and Ollie?

JohnKSa
July 16, 2004, 10:34 PM
Pretty sure the movers took my dad's 1903 Colt that his grandfather bought new...

Muzzleflash
July 17, 2004, 12:48 AM
Personally I would rent a uhaul truck and move everything myself. Of course I'm too cheap to pay someone to do something I can do myself.

Heck yeah. I've done that. Past three years of my life have been partly occupied moving (didn't take too long, many many many months though) from TN to NY- and now we're going back. :rolleyes:

Ah well. Things change. I want to see if this can get handled in one move, though, instead of 2-5 trips. Uhaul got semi trailer sized trucks?

I have a thing for walk in closets. They can be camo'd so well, behind a folding door there could be the steel door and access code panel of your walk in gunsafe. :D

4v50 Gary
July 17, 2004, 01:53 PM
The logistics of moving staggers me. Moving three safes and plenty o' guns and all the ammo? Little wonder you called for movers. Why hurt your own back?

Be sure they're bonded and videotape everything before they get there. Do a lot of still shots and pan very very slowly. Pause when panning for those still shots. I'd also do an excel spread sheet to show what you've got.

Blue Line
July 17, 2004, 02:13 PM
I have moved with Tiny Moyer and Sons about 4 times. Each time my gun collection has increased and they have moved them without a scratch or problem. There a good bunch, which from the posts may be an anomaly in this day. They have employees that have worked for them over 20 yrs plus a lot of times your going to get one of the sons or grandsons drvinig the trucks and superviseing your load and unload. I packed everything in the gun safe and gave them a copy of serial numbers and when I unpacked it everything is in tip top shape.

They are out of Montgomery, Md at 800-726-1817.

Can't say enough good things about this company. But, anything that you feel can't be replaced if lost or broken you should move yourself.

Firethorn
July 17, 2004, 10:56 PM
They do indeed come in semi-trailer size, as well as a number of sizes in between.

As far as shipping them goes, most goods going overseas or by rail are packed into them. You might even be able to get a cheaper rate if they can ship the thing by rail rather than by truck all the way. When I moved overseas and when I came back my stuff was packed into one.

Heck, the military has offices-ina-CONEX setup. You open up the door, and there's your shop (network in my case).

GrayBear
July 17, 2004, 11:23 PM
LOL, the cool thing would be if the neighbor was actually anti-gun. Then he'd have a burglary and the residual thought he had no way to defend himself.

Remember that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. A supporter of self-defense might be an anti-gun person who's been burglarized?

A burglary converted my wife to pro-Home Self Defense, but cost me a move to a gated community for her peace of mind. Not bad, eventually made a few bucks on the deal. Bought guns with the profit, in fact.

BTW, I rented a small van and moved my own "critical" stuff plus a few pricey antique pieces.

GrayBear

larry_minn
July 18, 2004, 01:46 AM
ONe question on safe.... Does it have a relocker type thing if somone drills/smashes the lock it drops a bar? IF I understand my safe ther is a glass thing that will jam the works if brute force is used on lock. OR it is bumped/jarred hard. The lock will NOT open safe. So it is recomended to move with door UNLOCKED as if it happens with door unlocked a $20 repair (if you bring it to safe place) but if closed/locked you could just buy a new safe if it was empty instead of paying for opening.
I move myself. Have a 25' Penske on order. I also have a 20' enclosed trailer for smaller stuff. (the Penske was such a deal ($400 for one way from FL to MN)

MeekandMild
July 18, 2004, 02:31 AM
You need to remember that movers are not necessarily screened for criminal background checks nor are they graduate students in ethics. I agee wholeheartedly with the idea of renting a truck to move your guns/valuables. We did that on our recent move and found it much more tolerable than having a couple of boxes of guns diverted to support some guy's cocaine habit. Our movers moved heavy furniture and endless boxes of books but they didn't move anything which could be remotely considered profitable if stolen. :scrutiny:

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