.410 Shotgun For Home Defense?


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Gunmeister
July 17, 2004, 04:42 PM
What is the general concensus of a .410 shotgun for home defense? Does it pack enough punch to get the job done? Just curious because I have seen a really nice looking .410 gauge "survival" type piece in our local gunshop which could not be a hunter because of it's short barrel.

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Preacherman
July 17, 2004, 04:48 PM
At across-the room ranges, it might work, but I'm afraid that given it's less than stellar power delivery (less than a .45 Colt round), I'd be reluctant to trust it. In a long gun, I want more power than a handgun, not less!

Hypnogator
July 17, 2004, 04:49 PM
The .410 is obviously not as good a choice as a 12 or 20-ga, but I'd sure hate to get hit with one. I'd be more concerned with follow-up shots or rapid reloading. Most of the "survival" type .410s are break-action single shots.

Bottom line -- not what I'd choose for home defense, but if I had a use for one, and could have only one gun, I wouldn't hesitate to keep it and some shells handy.

gbran
July 17, 2004, 06:18 PM
Because of the small diameter, the 410 case physically cannot hold very many pellets. While I woudn't want to be shot with one, I also wouldn't depend on it for reliable self defense.

MICHAEL T
July 18, 2004, 03:24 AM
S&B make a round with 5, 00buckand slugs are close 38+P,357 range Ive got a pump 410 18 1/2 with a pistol grip [stock broken off by previous owner] My 3 daugthers 10,12,13 love to shoot it.My wife keeps it handy as she doesn t really like pistols and hates my 12guage. Sure beats a rock:what:

Dave McCracken
July 18, 2004, 06:30 AM
At close range where the shot hasn't left the wad behind, the whole thing hits like a giant Glazer Safety Slug. A 1/2 oz load at 1200 FPS packs more energy than the old 41 Maggie Numb Police load, which still kicks butt. Once the range increases, things change.

Norton
July 18, 2004, 10:08 AM
Anyone have a feeling on what the effectiveness of the .410 slug would be in a HD situation?

WhiteKnight
July 18, 2004, 11:37 AM
Anyone have a feeling on what the effectiveness of the .410 slug would be in a HD situation?

They work pretty well on whitetail deer, which are comparably sized to humans.

RightIsRight
July 18, 2004, 01:37 PM
Anyone have a feeling on what the effectiveness of the .410 slug would be in a HD situation?

I have a "feeling" it would hurt. A lot. :D

pauli
July 18, 2004, 01:48 PM
.410 slugs are, what, 1/5 oz? a cursory glance at winchester's one .410 slug shows 1/5 oz at 1830fps. as this is the internet, i will be lazy and presume this is representative.

the speed's great, but that's only 87.5 grains. a 357 carbine can get that sort of speed with twice the weight, easy, in the same size weapon.

it'll work, but there are more effective options out there.

edit: and the first commercial (so, presumably, rather weak) 41mag info i find says 210 grains, 1300fps. that's a bit more energy and a LOT more momentum. from a 4" barrel!

sm
July 18, 2004, 07:10 PM
IIRC and Dave supplied this info as well...
The shotgun was 95% or better with one shot stops...no matter the gauge or caliber.

In .410 I have set folks up that need something with, a single shot .410 and slugs. Of course there again, I'm one of the few that likes slugs in any shotgun for HD needs...no matter the size of the shotgun...

loandr.
July 18, 2004, 07:20 PM
what you probabvly saw was a snake charmer , short survival type rifle, im under the impression that at close rande a .410 tranfers same energy as .44 mag. i know a b pretty general statement. So a single shot NOT good choice BUT if in a short barreled lever action...thats another story.
Loandr.

sm
July 18, 2004, 07:38 PM
More like a .41 mag.
Have seen the dead stiff and the damage from a .410 single shot fired from ~ 8- 10 yds. One shot - one kill. Arthritic hands have trouble with levers, buttons, slides and whatnots. Arthritic hands could handle a single shot, for around the farm, garden and such. Slugs for HD.
Osteo problems negated anything with heavier recoil in a shotgun...Adapt, Improvise, Overcome...

One never knows...
Gun must fit shooter...
It is mindset and knowing the tool for task - always...

Red Tornado
July 18, 2004, 08:10 PM
I was curious about the same thing and found a link that has some info.

http://www.4-10.freeuk.com/mwdefence.html

It's a .410 page, so I would think they've done the research. The following excerpt makes it sound adequate, especially at close range.

SLUGS: First, let us look at the common .410 bore slug. The traditional .410 foster-style slug has a 1/5 ounce or 87.5 grain slug at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 1815 feet per second (fps) and developing a muzzle energy (ME) of 640 foot pounds (ft. lbs.). More recent offerings increase the weight of the slug to 1/4 ounce at a slightly reduced MV of 1755 fps for an ME of nearly 750 ft. lbs.


BIRD SHOT: The 2 ½ inch .410 carries ½ ounce of shot at an MV of 1200 fps. Fine shot sizes available in the short shell range from number 4 to number 9s. The three inch .410 shell carries 11/16 ounce of shot at 1135 fps and sizes range from 4s to 7 1/2s. Bird shot can be very effective, but its effectiveness, or rather the nature of its effectiveness will depend on range.

At contact range, either shot charge will act more like a frangible bullet than a pattern of shop and will deliver enormously destructive wound, The 2 ½ ounce shells deliver 700 ft. lbs. of energy and the three inch shell 860 ft. lbs. of energy. Such forces are comparable to a using highly frangible bullets in .41 and .44 magnums respectively.

While it's not a 12GA, I know it hits a lot harder that the 9mm I've got in my nightstand. :eek: Of course, I've got 14 follow up shots. YMMV.
RT

jdmb03
July 20, 2004, 05:54 PM
The .410 is a good choice for HD. Sure it's not a 12ga., but who cares. It will get the job done when you need it. It's just like the old handgun caliber debate, some people say you need a .44 and some say a .38. Buy what you feel comfortable shooting and get plenty of practice.

Mattkc
July 21, 2004, 02:38 AM
I'd hate to see the guy who can take a load of 410 and keep coming. One thing to consider if using birdshot is heavy coats can stop it. Know of a guy that came home to a angery wife. She shot him in the shoulder with a 20ga from across the room with birdshot. His coat did a good job stopping the shot. To bad it wasn't a longer coat because after he hit the floor she emptied a 25 auto into his groin.

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