[antsi]

Just yesterday am, I heard an NPR piece about Commissar Daley's new proposed legislation for the People's Republic of Illinos.

Apparently, the Commissar is concerned about Assault Weapons (conveniently re-defined to include firearms that are not assault weapons), Ballistic Fingerprinting (which even Kalifornistan rejected as useless in their War on Gun Rights), and a few other neuroses of his.

Since then, I've heard nothing.

Anyone out there interested in how, exactly, a mayor of one town in a state, is able to propose legislation affecting the whole state?

Or why this isn't getting any more attention?

Was the whole thing just another NPR socialist fantasy?

Or, is the proposal going the "stealth route," and we'll hear nothing more about it until we suddenly find out it is the new law of the land?

[crawfordew]

Daley views the rest of Illinois as a wholly owned subsidiary (sp?) of Chicago. He lacks the political will to solve Chicago's crime problem so he has to divert attention to state gun laws. I would love to see Illinois secede from Chicago:D .

Gene from Peoria, IL

[bad_dad_brad]

Mayor Daily is the leader of a city that has one of the highest murder rates in the country. But remember, he is a populist, and his posturing about new gun laws is what he has at the moment, to deflect his problems.

He has a Democratic Governer, Congress, Attorney General, and Senate. This is the perfect time for Daily to make his move.

So Illinois gun owners, buy buy buy, I bet next year you will not be able to purchase an AR-15. But, they won't be able to take what you currently own. Nobody has done that yet.

A few more years and I will say adios to the land of Lincoln. Chicago is not Illinois, but I am afraid, we are stuck with Cook county. Heck of a shame. You should see the disrepair of our downstate roads. When travelling back from my yearly Florida vacation, when in Kentucky and I cross the Ohio river, I know I am in Illinois because the interstate turns into chuckhole h*ll.

[Don Gwinn]

I'm not waiting to see what he does next. I'm going to finish the renovation on this house, sell it for a profit and get out. I finally talked the wife into it when she realized "they" really are "out to get us." Until tonight, I think she really believed I was being paranoid. I didn't say it--yet--but I think she knows that if it gets any worse I'll leave whether she comes with me or not. Clearly, it's not going to get any better in this sewer. Most of this state likes things the way they are. They're happy about this.

One note--Chicago is all alone. It has THE highest murder rate in the nation by a long shot for two years running. Los Angeles edged it in raw numbers of murders, but figured as a rate of murders per population, Chicago is far and away the worst. It's also filthy. Frankly, when they ruined Comiskey and Soldier Field, they removed about two thirds of the justification for Chicago's continued existence. Now, everything but Wrigley Field and the Museum of Natural History could slide beneath the waters of Lake Michigan and the lives of most Illinoisans wouldn't change a bit.

[Arts]

I am not waiting for Daley to propose grabbing guns. This legislation will pass and the killings in Chicago will continue so the next step will be confiscation. The house has been sold. we close on 3/28 and we take the guns and the cats to San Antonio. Adios amigos.

[Airwolf]

I went to find a link for what Daley is planning to do and this came up.

Hope you have a trash can handy, you'll need it.

What a jerk. Talk about the personification of what we are up against when it comes to "our own kind" (hunters and skeek/trap types)

I’m really sick after reading this :cuss: :barf:

Talk about a useful idiot. I wonder how much The Machine is paying this shill?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/outdoors/cst-spt-bowman16.html

Hunters need to separate themselves from gun nuts

February 16, 2003
BY DALE BOWMAN STAFF REPORTER

"About the time that Daddy left to fight the big war/I saw my first pistol in the general store/In the general store, when I was thirteen/Thought it was the finest thing I ever had seen/So I asked if I could have one someday when I grew up/Mama dropped a dozen eggs, she really blew up/She really blew up and I didn't understand/Mama said the pistol is the Devil's right hand.''

Steve Earle's ''The Devil's Right Hand''

I hunt. It's the most intense and rewarding thing I do in the outdoors.

To hunt, I own guns.

They are my most valued possessions.

When I was 13, Dad gave me the family .22 rifle as my most cherished Christmas gift. When I turned 18, my 12-gauge shotgun and my deer rifle were my first important life purchases.

The only thing I asked Dad to bequeath me in his will is an ancient, open-bore, single-shot, 12-gauge shotgun my Grandpa Bowman gave him as his first gun as a boy.
Guns come with meanings for me, come with stories and histories.

So I watch with more than passing interest when an anti-gun person such as Mayor Daley steps into the political arena with gun legislation.

The latest foray came Thursday.

My first thought was, "Oh, God, not again.''

Then I picked through the highlights.

As a hunter and human being, I agreed with almost all of them.

As hunters, we must learn to separate ourselves from the gun nuts, those who would oppose every firearm restriction. Otherwise, we'll be lumped in the crackpot pile.

*A ban on military-style, semi-automatic assault weapons. I absolutely agree. It should have been done years ago. The problem for hunters is the definition of assault rifles; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Restrict handgun purchases to one per person per month. For my money, you could ban handguns completely. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Gun fingerprinting. I have no problem with that other than it is another governmental intrusion into our lives. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Lengthening the waiting period for taking possession of a handgun from three days to 10. Hey, make it a month, a year, 10 years. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Require annual background checks of those who hold Firearm Owners Identification Cards. I think that will be a logistical nightmare and should not be enacted for that reason. Otherwise, check all you want. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Increase the cost of a FOID card. It annoys me. It will cost me. But it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Mandate background checks of people who buy firearms at gun shows. Absolutely. That should have been in place years ago. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*State licensing of gun dealers and a state database of gun information. Go ahead. I think it will be a logistical nightmare; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Increased penalty for secret compartments in vehicles for weapons. Throw the book at them. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

Daley's proposals make sense. But then, I am a hunter who owns guns, not a gun nut. Guns don't mean more than life to me.

Dale Bowman can be reached at outdoordb@aol.com. "Bowman's Outdoor Line'' is heard on "Outdoors with Mike Norris'' (3-4 p.m. Thursdays, 1280-AM).

[sctman800]

I have allready sent my first letter to my state rep. about this and will be sending more in the near future. My reps here in east/central Ill. are pretty ok on gun rights, I just want to encourage them to remain so. From what I understand the are several democratic reps from down state that are good also. Chicago is the enemy territory make no mistake about it, and I also agree the state should secede from the city of Chicago. Jim.

[MN_Strelok]

What a jerk. Talk about the personification of what we are up against when it comes to "our own kind" (hunters and skeek/trap types)

No kidding, how self-centered can someone be?

As hunters, we must learn to separate ourselves from the gun nuts, those who would oppose every firearm restriction. Otherwise, we'll be lumped in the crackpot pile.

Newsflash: For all their rhetoric, the antis don't like hunters much more than the rest of us. Something tells me this guy doesn't hunt in Illinois (compliant with the law) or he'd realize that.

A ban on military-style, semi-automatic assault weapons. I absolutely agree. It should have been done years ago. The problem for hunters is the definition of assault rifles; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

What an astounding display of logic. The problem for all of us is the definition of "assault rifle", genius.

<sarcasm>So what if they want to ban something completely unrelated to actual crime? As long as you don't own one, what's the problem?</sarcasm>

Gun fingerprinting. I have no problem with that other than it is another governmental intrusion into our lives.

Uhh... I also have no problem with it. Other than the government intrusion. :scrutiny:

Well, there is the cost. But don't worry, we'll just stop funding the U of I altogether.

Lengthening the waiting period for taking possession of a handgun from three days to 10. Hey, make it a month, a year, 10 years.

You know, I don't currently own a hunting shotgun. Let's just put a 10 year waiting period on those too... It won't affect me, and hey, it might help save a child. :rolleyes:

Require annual background checks of those who hold Firearm Owners Identification Cards. I think that will be a logistical nightmare and should not be enacted for that reason. Otherwise, check all you want.

Again, who's going to pay for this? If I had never picked up a gun in my life I'd be opposed to most of these measures from an economic point of view alone!

Coincidentally, I know someone with a perfect record that had her FOID application denied because of mistaken identity. Wouldn't that be a swell annual occurrence? Meanwhile she could have purchased all the guns she wanted from the seedy side of town with no FOID at all.

Increase the cost of a FOID card. It annoys me. It will cost me. But it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

So, increasing the cost 25x has absolutely no affect on your hunting? This guy must be loaded.

Mandate background checks of people who buy firearms at gun shows. Absolutely. That should have been in place years ago.

I hate to be the one to point this out, but it has been in place for years. Can anyone find the exact text of this provision? I'd love to know how it actually reads.

State licensing of gun dealers and a state database of gun information. Go ahead. I think it will be a logistical nightmare; otherwise...

Once again we are greeted with the following logic: It's a really bad idea, but other than that...

Increased penalty for secret compartments in vehicles for weapons. Throw the book at them.

<sarcasm again>I wholeheartedly agree. It's about time someone cracked down on the horrific problem of secret compartments built into cars.</sarcasm again> :scrutiny:

This guy makes repeated reference to the "right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting". I'd really like to know where he got that from, since I've never seen such a right in the constitution. There is that one about keeping and bearing, but it doesn't seem to count.

I apologize to the choir for wasting bandwidth on this one, but I needed to vent.

[CZ-75]

As hunters, we must learn to separate ourselves from the gun nuts, those who would oppose every firearm restriction. Otherwise, we'll be lumped in the crackpot pile.

*A ban on military-style, semi-automatic assault weapons. I absolutely agree. It should have been done years ago. The problem for hunters is the definition of assault rifles; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Restrict handgun purchases to one per person per month. For my money, you could ban handguns completely. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Gun fingerprinting. I have no problem with that other than it is another governmental intrusion into our lives. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Lengthening the waiting period for taking possession of a handgun from three days to 10. Hey, make it a month, a year, 10 years. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Require annual background checks of those who hold Firearm Owners Identification Cards. I think that will be a logistical nightmare and should not be enacted for that reason. Otherwise, check all you want. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Increase the cost of a FOID card. It annoys me. It will cost me. But it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Mandate background checks of people who buy firearms at gun shows. Absolutely. That should have been in place years ago. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*State licensing of gun dealers and a state database of gun information. Go ahead. I think it will be a logistical nightmare; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Increased penalty for secret compartments in vehicles for weapons. Throw the book at them. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

Daley's proposals make sense. But then, I am a hunter who owns guns, not a gun nut. Guns don't mean more than life to me.



Sounds like sarcasm, occasionally. But I'm not quite sure. Anyway, he's not very good at it.

[sctman800]

I don't know if Mr. Bowman is being sarcastic or not, I would have had to be familiar with his collom to know for sure. He sounds like "this is what I do and anyone that doesn't do things my way is wrong." All gun owners in Illinois should be pulling together instead of this "us v them"mentality. Mayor Daley is also proving his lack of knowledge of anything outside Chicago, a few years ago Illinois passed a bill that directed the State Police to examine the FOID list every 6 months to ensure revocation of anyone who had become inelligible. I keep firearms because I enjoy them and believe in the constitution the one that says nothing about hunting.