An appeal to those with NRA sticker on their vehicles


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GSB
July 18, 2004, 05:10 PM
Just a mini-rant based on an observation on the road over the weekend, and not directed at anyone here. It's just the most convenient place for me to vent.

If you're going to have an NRA sticker on your vehicle, realize that you have decided to make yourself a public ambassador for that organization and its other members. Please don't be an asshat on the road (even if it is a free country and it's your right to be as unappealing a human being as you like). It makes the rest of us members look bad, it makes the organization look bad, and it makes gun owners in general look bad to the non-firearmowning public we are trying to win over. We don't need to give people even more reason to equate gun-owner with illterate, inconsiderate, mouth-breathers. If you insist on being reckless and rude on the road, at least be courteous enough to put a Kerry/Edwards sticker on your car instead.

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shermacman
July 18, 2004, 05:17 PM
Precisely the reason I have my NRA sticker next to my American flag on my front windshield. I drive like an absolute lunatic, screeming around corners, giving the finger to elderly gray haired people, putting my left hand turn signal on when I turn right...

I have a Clinton/Gore sticker next to my "UN rules the World!" sticker on my rear bumper!

(The comments above are not true, not even one...)

gunsmith
July 18, 2004, 05:31 PM
Unfortunately,many of those who have those stickers on their cars are not members.
You can buy those stickers for a buck at most gun stores and shows,also used pick up often sport them.

Rimmer
July 18, 2004, 05:34 PM
It seems that there are as many interpretations of freedom as there are people.

I agree that it would be much better for all of the shooting community if a few would just tone it down a notch or two.

Sometimes the freedoms you are so quick to defend can be undone by how others perceive you.

vito
July 18, 2004, 07:16 PM
I've been told by one LEO that having the NRA sticker on my car window makes me a more likely target for a car break in; the bad guys hope to find a gun in the car. Personally this has not happened to me, but I wonder if the sticker, or one of those clever bumper stickers like "This care insured by Smith and Wesson" deter the low life or encourage them.

TallPine
July 18, 2004, 07:32 PM
You can also buy used cars with stickers already on them

El Tejon
July 18, 2004, 07:40 PM
That's why I drive like an 85 year old woman, balances the bad karma.:D

JohnKSa
July 18, 2004, 08:01 PM
A fellow just down the road from me in Garland, TX had his car searched with his NRA sticker being used as probable cause.

The conviction was overturned, but I'll bet the hassle factor was tremendous...

P95Carry
July 18, 2004, 08:27 PM
That's why I drive like an 85 year old woman El T - if you saw how a local 84 year old lady round here drives - you'd not have said that! Think NASCAR!:D

I have now totally omitted any stickers and gun racks that spell ''guns'' .... sad really when I have pride in both NRA life membership, and my guns. But - sure prefer having truck ''low key'' and not shouting ''gun'' ..... lest a break in etc.

Pathetic reflection on the present day.:(

Jim K
July 18, 2004, 08:36 PM
I have not had an NRA sticker since an anti-gun organization suggested publicly that its members smash windows and flatten tires on vehicles with NRA stickers. These nice folks also suggested calling the police and saying that a vehicle with such and such a license was stolen or reporting that the driver shot at them.

All in the name of good clean fun, Michael Moore and John Kerry style.

Jim

auschip
July 18, 2004, 09:00 PM
I have not had an NRA sticker since an anti-gun organization suggested publicly that its members smash windows and flatten tires on vehicles with NRA stickers. These nice folks also suggested calling the police and saying that a vehicle with such and such a license was stolen or reporting that the driver shot at them.

Do you have a link to evidence of this. Not because I don't believe you, but I want to show some fence sitters that these organizations are not "just trying to protect children".

Tharg
July 18, 2004, 09:06 PM
So SO tired of the "protect children" standpoint.

Hey - i don't want to see kids get hurt any more than anyone else....

but its just rediculous to pull out that argument for EVERYTHING.

Like i said to people on my gamers board - Race is the trump card for trials - Children are the trump card for the "whatever it is i'm trying to ram down someone elses throat today" movement.

bleh

J/Tharg!

Cacique500
July 18, 2004, 10:20 PM
Is this too obvious for the criminal element? :)

http://www.1911pistolgrips.com/img/plate.jpg

Treylis
July 18, 2004, 10:33 PM
A fellow just down the road from me in Garland, TX had his car searched with his NRA sticker being used as probable cause.

The conviction was overturned, but I'll bet the hassle factor was tremendous...

Considering I hear all the time about how Texas is so pro-gun, why do I always hear stories like this coming out of there?

Sheesh, you guys need to clean house. ;-P

JohnKSa
July 18, 2004, 11:32 PM
Like anywhere else, the big cities tend to be problematic.

Garland is a suburb of Dallas. Dallas isn't as liberal as Austin, but it's bad enough. Also, the Garland PD is known for being a real pack of sphincters. Besides the "sticker story", here are a couple more stories about "Garland's Finest."

1. Head of neighborhood watch calls cops on a suspicious vehicle that had been orbiting the neighborhood of an elementary school at very low speed for nearly an hour at about the time school lets out. Garland PD officer shows up and ignores suspicious vehicle but cites head of neighborhood watch for parking violation. Ticket was dismissed because there was, in fact, no violation.

2. After a drive by shooting in which two vehicles and a couple of houses were shot in a neighborhood (vehicle drove down the street with passenger firing out the window apparently randomly), Garland PD officer shows up and accuses one of the two vehicle owners (also the head of neighborhood watch BTW) of moving the vehicle/giving a false report.

These both happened to my dad. So much for getting involved--guess that neighborhood watch thing must be cutting into donut time...

Bullet
July 18, 2004, 11:51 PM
Guess I should get rid of my bumper sticker.

It says - PASS ME AND I'LL SHOOT YOU

Just joking I don't have any bumper stickers but I do have a NRA sticker in the window. Never thought about this causing someone to break into my truck. Sure is something to think about.

The Undertoad
July 18, 2004, 11:55 PM
Cacique, NICE plates! I've been trying to think of one that's gun-related but not TERRIBLY obvious, and also that isn't taken! Harder than it sounds! :cool:

DorGunR
July 19, 2004, 12:07 AM
My bumper sticker says..........
"Cover me, I gotta change lanes"

Cacique500
July 19, 2004, 07:18 AM
Hey Undertoad,

You most likely know this but there's an area on the Virginia DMV website where you can try out different plates to see what's available.

I just tried MGNUM and it worked...(too early to think of any other ones!)

The link to the dmv site is:

https://www.dmv.state.va.us/dmvnet/plate_purchase/select_plate.asp?PLT=&PLTNO=

Red_SC
July 19, 2004, 11:29 AM
I saw a plate the other day that read FFL.

And to keep it on topic, there was an NRA sticker on the right triangle window on my K5 Blazer when I bought it. I'm a member, so I left it on there. But, my wife also says I drive like an old man most of the time. (I'm 25.) But hey, my truck has 200K+ on it with virtually no problems, and I'm trying to make it last.

bogie
July 19, 2004, 12:05 PM
What I _really_ hate is seeing NRA stickers right next to confederate flags... It just reinforces the stereotype...

Brian Williams
July 19, 2004, 01:20 PM
I have a bumper sticker that says;
If it's tourist season, Why can't we shoot them?


also
Welcome to Lancaster County
Now go home!!!!

2nd Amendment
July 19, 2004, 01:43 PM
Let me see... *looks out at Suburban*

... NRA sticker, US flag, Terrorist hunting permit, "Friends DON'T Let Friends VOTE DEMOCRAT" sticker, rifle rack in the side window plus sporting my car dealership name and dealer plates.

How's that for putting ones money where his moth is? :)

MuzzleBlast
July 19, 2004, 01:44 PM
What I _really_ hate is seeing NRA stickers right next to confederate flags... It just reinforces the stereotype... What stereotype?

NoLibs
July 19, 2004, 01:56 PM
This topic was a good one for me to read, personally. I have a tendency to get a little angry sometimes but I will keep it underwraps from now on. The last thing I need to do is misrepresent the organization I respet so much.
Allow me to apologize to you all for driving like an @sshole sometimes while displying my sticker.

My car is a bit of a contradiction in itself. Its an '84 Volvo 240 wagon. The car of choice of all the communists and socialists at the college I attend.

Soon I hope to mount dual gunracks on the side windows in the back.. :)

Godspeed

shermacman
July 19, 2004, 02:03 PM
Gun racks on a Volvo!
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

NoLibs
July 19, 2004, 02:12 PM
I sure as hell wouldn't be confused for some limp-wristed, Kerry supporting socialist, now would I? hehehe

MP5
July 19, 2004, 02:24 PM
The car of choice of all the communists and socialists at the college I attend.


Talk like that doesn't do pro-gun ownership advocates much good, either, since it sounds uneducated and bigoted and furthers the stereotype that gun owners are right-wing zealots. Perhaps your college is really filled with communists and socialists. Much more likely, they're just people with different views than yours.

MP5
July 19, 2004, 02:26 PM
What stereotype?

The common stereotype that gun owners/advocates are right-wing, redneck, and/or racist rubes, I'd imagine.

So SO tired of the "protect children" standpoint.

If people wanted to protect children, they'd lock away half the parents out there, not the guns.

Ginger
July 19, 2004, 03:47 PM
MP5,

I don't know how it is in your area but out here most of the faculty in our universities really are communists and socialists. My husband is in higher education and I attend a lot of faculty social situations. I have been proudly shown communist party membership cards on more than one occaision. Much to the delight of those around us.

It is very difficult to find moderate Democrats, let alone Libertarians or Conservatives among these faculty members. I have met a few from the Economics/MBA and Classics programs.

It's not a baseless stereotype if it is, indeed, true more often than not.

ducktapehero
July 19, 2004, 03:57 PM
The common stereotype that gun owners/advocates are right-wing, redneck, and/or racist rubes So everyone who has a Confederate flag is a racist redneck? Talk about stereotyping. Some people have it because they are actually proud of their Southern heritage.

1911Tuner
July 19, 2004, 03:58 PM
The common stereotype that gun owners/advocates are right-wing, redneck, and/or racist rubes, I'd imagine.

Nahhh, Muzzleblast. They just don't like our Southern Cross...

Cheers...ya'll :cool:

Tuner<-------Sons of Confederate Veterans

MP5
July 19, 2004, 04:11 PM
So everyone who has a Confederate flag is a racist redneck?

Certainly not, but in my experience (as a Southerner), there is indeed a significant overlap. Be that as it may, I wasn't talking about my personal beliefs, but rather explaining to the original poster the stereotype he was asking about: right or wrong, most folks seem to take a dim view of anyone flying the Confederate battle flag.

I don't know how it is in your area but out here most of the faculty in our universities really are communists and socialists.

I'm a former college professor, and while left-leaning views were of course common among students and faculty, open espousal of true Communist or socialist views wasn't. And there were certainly more than a few active Republicans on campus, including formal student groups.

bogie
July 19, 2004, 04:30 PM
I don't give a damn if you're flying the stars and bars out of protest, or because your great-great-granddaddy died pissed off, or because you've read up on history and think that it truly was a war of northern aggression...

I don't care.

Here's the bottom line: Most, meaning 95%+, people in the country, and probably closer to 99.9% in urban areas, see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism and bigotry.

And when they see it next to an NRA sticker, they assume that NRA members are all racist bigots who can't wait to back a tractor trailer up to their kids' grade school so that they can pass out free saturday night specials.

That's the bottom line.

Muzzleflash
July 19, 2004, 04:33 PM
I've seen both sides.

I figure there's three people who are just genuinely proud of their heritage for every one that is a racist scumbag.

Besides. It happened a hundred and more years ago. There's not much we can do about it except be glad that we're still a nation. Regardless of how bad things happened, I think I'm happy it's together.

Now it just needs a little fixing up..

1911Tuner
July 19, 2004, 04:34 PM
asking about : right or wrong, most folks seem to take a dim view of anyone flying the Confederate battle flag.


Which puts'em smack in the middle of the same class as those
whom they would seek to chastise for bigotry...i.e. hatred of
a class or group of people based solely on their own views and/or
preconcieved notions...

Or...It could be that they just don't like our Southern Cross.:p

Cheers!

Tuner<--------Sons of Alabama AND Virginia Confederate Veterans...ya'll

1911Tuner
July 19, 2004, 04:48 PM
Here's the bottom line: Most, meaning 95%+, people in the country, and probably closer to 99.9% in urban areas, see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism and bigotry.


It's obvious that these people just aren't happy people,
and simply must find fault somewhere.
They should go and find their happy place.:) <---(Happy face)

And this one might oughta go to Round Table a'fore it gits
locked up tighter'n a tick on a houn' dawg's ear...:D

Just curious...Where did ya come up with those percentages?
Most people I talk to...North, South, East and West really don't
care.:confused:

Cheers!

Tuner, the Fire Puter-Outer

R.H. Lee
July 19, 2004, 04:56 PM
heh. I've got a little 4" Confederate flag I keep in my pencilholder cup on my desk at work-just to pi$$ off the lefties. And I'm a Yanqui-ain't never been to the South.

1911Tuner
July 19, 2004, 05:10 PM
ROFL Riley...:D

There's a black farmer just down the road from me...older fella
that remembers the bad old days. He saws a mean fiddle and
the only man I know that makes better coffee than me. He
raises a big tobacco crop every year, and works the kids around here so hard they ain't got the energy to get into any meanness...Good, church-goin feller. He also flies the Southern Cross every day, and takes it down every night.

His thoughts:

"That flag don't mean nary a thing to nobody. Any of the folks that it meant somethin' to is all dead! Ain't no slaves nor no slave owners left alive that I've heard tell of, and the only-est folks pissin' and moanin' 'bout that flag are folks that's just LOOKIN' for somethin' ta piss and moan about."

'Nuff said...:cool:

Hope we can cool this one 'fore it goes into full burn... ;)

Smoke
July 19, 2004, 05:39 PM
My Pickup has a NRA sticker and a Texas & Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association sticker. Nobody with TSCRA or NRA has called telling me to drive better.

MY Jeep has NRA, TCU, Peace through Superior Firepower, Texas State Rifle Association, GOA. None of these organizations have called to complain either.

Why should it bother you?

Smoke

JPL
July 19, 2004, 06:15 PM
So if I put a Million Moms March sticker on my car, I have free license to drive like an a-hole?

Cool!

2nd Amendment
July 19, 2004, 06:18 PM
Those same urban hive dwellers who see the Confederate battle flag in a racist light also see the NRA and gun owners as a whole in an unpleasant way and you will NEVER bring them "over". They are the write-off part of the population. And simply stated there has to be a line at which concern over PC is outweighed by the need to live one's own life.

Anyway, for the most part I don't want to "convert" anyone nor do I care what they think of me. I just want them to leave me alone to do as I will same as I leave them alone...regardless of their weird habits. :)

NoLibs
July 19, 2004, 08:37 PM
In MY experience, many of the so-called intellectuals at this college are unwavering in their communist views.
Take a certain world civ teacher. He has a picture of LENIN on his office door and spent entire classes explaining how Mao was the "hero" of the revolution in China and how the Nationalists were ruthless "gangsters."
He is but one example...

GSB
July 19, 2004, 09:11 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Interesting reading. Just for the record, I don't care if anyone personally wants to be a jerk. That's his/her right. I just don't like being tarred with that brush. I don't want to have to explain to another passenger in my vehicle that, "Not all NRA members are like that. I'm one, and you don't see me behaving like that."

GSB
July 19, 2004, 09:14 PM
So if I put a Million Moms March sticker on my car, I have free license to drive like an a-hole?

By all means! :D

gunsmith
July 19, 2004, 10:48 PM
So if I put a Million Moms March sticker on my car, I have free license to drive like an a-hole? ...

We all know those millionmommy types are the ones who are driving 60 in the 70 zone and never moving out of the right (passing) lane.

I have NRA stickers on my vehicle and a Ted Kennedys Car Has Killed More People Ten My Gun bumper sticker!

No one seems to even look at it.

manwithoutahome
July 19, 2004, 11:36 PM
I have an NRA sticker, an OFF (for those who live in Oregon, you SHOULD now what that stands for) and a GOA sticker on my front windshield.

I also have a Confederate battle flag on the passenger side.

I don't give a f*** what people think. I was raised in the South and I'm proud of her heritage and history.

I also speak with Kenn Blanchard, phone, email or cell phone quite a bit. So those who put the Confederate battle flag and racisim together can bite my butt!

Wayne

Smoke
July 20, 2004, 11:41 AM
I also beleive that the majority of the population wouldn't recognize an NRA sticker if you held it up at arms length. Only those "in the loop" [members] would readily recognize them.

Making mountains out of molehills.

Smoke

jdege
July 20, 2004, 12:03 PM
I've been thinking about getting together with a few Minnesota friends, putting "Wellstone" and "Minnesota Liberals For Daschle" bumper stickers on our cars, and then heading into South Dakota.

bogie
July 20, 2004, 12:10 PM
Okay. Congratulations. You don't care what people think.

Those people vote.

And they'll vote to "take guns away from those bad racists."

hops
July 20, 2004, 12:21 PM
Just have a NRA life sticker in the lower corner of my back window on my car.
Seems to get positive responses - Bought some ham radio gear and the young sales clerk helps me out with the goodies. We load the trunk, and I get a thumbs up and smile when he sees the NRA sticker.

Or, I go and take my Ham license test. Use my CHL as my 2nd form of ID. The examiner, pulls out his CHL (different counties for each of us) to show me since he'd never seen my county's CHL before.

Guns, Ham radio and model railroading. I seem to have noticed this connection for some time now.......

tcdrennen
July 20, 2004, 12:29 PM
Front license plate frame: "LIFE MEMBER ... MATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION"
Rear license plate frame: "MY OTHER AUTO IS A ... .45 ACP"
Hitch cover: "West End Gun Club"
Rear Window: NRA Life Member decal, US Flag

On a 2001 Toyota Tundra

No hassles even at typically liberal local communinity college (World History prof who has stated in class that: 'The US deserved 9-11", "ALL 20th century wars have been western aggression for oil and resources", "Reagan & Bush were directly and personally responsible for murder, rape and torture in Latin America", "The 1944 Normandy invasion was unjustified; all foreign invasions are western imperialism and exploitation", and "Iraq is solely about control of oil.")

Did get an oddly aggressive attitude from the younger of two Costa Mesa PD who pulled me over for running a red light - they let me go as the construction at the intersection had left me across two lanes so I felt obliged to pull through rather than block traffic. The passenger side young cop, though, then demanded to know if I had any guns in the car :scrutiny:

I said "No" (truthfully at that moment), he then kinda grimly snapped, "Mind if we look?" I was taken aback, but wasn't in a hurry, so said, "Sure, if you want to"; his sergeant then said, "No, we're out of here". Goodbye, take care, exeunt omnes.

Have to assume Young Cop was perturbed by my stickers and decals; Old Cop wasn't. Disturbing mostly for future trends - when Young Cop is Sergeant, will he be smarter/cooler? :confused: :uhoh:

bogie
July 20, 2004, 01:56 PM
Oh, and another thing...

From some of you folks, I'm getting a vibe full of some severe attitude...

Guys, it's a bad thing when we reinforce stereotypes, or otherwise scare folks who are essentially sitting on the fence...

I mean, if someone sees Joe Gunowner, who came out of the gun safe a while back, and thinks that he's a fine upstanding person, and wouldn't mind having 'em over for dinner, they're less likely to be persuaded to vote to take away our rights.

But if someone sees Joe Gunowner, and perceives, for whatever reason, that he's not a fine upstanding person, and they wouldn't want to live on the same side of town as him, much less having him even drive down their street, well... As soon as a firearms issue shows up on the ballot, they vote solid anti.

I get the impression that some of you have the idea that the best way to deal with folks who you perceive as "antis" is to say things like "Well, if someone were to pull a gun out now and point it at you, what would you do?" Yeah, well, that'll get a rise out of 'em, but it also gets 'em to vote for "safety." Because they think that YOU are the person most likely to point a gun at 'em.

Do not scare the sheep.

bogie
July 20, 2004, 02:00 PM
when Young Cop is Sergeant, will he be smarter/cooler?

Not likely - they're raising a crop of young cops who aren't shooters - they're bureaucrats. That's more dangerous.

Waitone
July 20, 2004, 06:14 PM
It is one thing to be labelled an <insert prejudicial descriptor of your choice> because you act that way.

Totally different issue when LE forces a <prejudicial descriptor> on you to suit political gamesmanship.

I ask the esteemed forum members to think back to the Waschington DC "sniper" fiasco. The good Chief Moose's first published profile of the "sniper" was that of a fat, middle aged white guy(s) driving a white truck with an NRA sticker on the back.

A deliberate political smear. I still don't know if the good Chief Moose was aware of the real profile while he was feeding the politically correct profile. I still don't know how many people were murdered between the time when chief Moose knew what the real suspects description was and when he went public. For some reason LE is not interested in pursuing that particular crime.

RocketMan
July 20, 2004, 10:28 PM
"an OFF (for those who live in Oregon, you SHOULD now what that stands for)"
Oh, man, now I feel bad. What does it stand for? "Oregon Firearms Foundation" or something like that?

Rebeldon
July 20, 2004, 10:54 PM
What I _really_ hate is seeing NRA stickers right next to confederate flags... It just reinforces the stereotype...

And what stereotype is that, sir? :scrutiny: It tells me that he is more intellegent than a Yankee. :D

MeekandMild
July 20, 2004, 11:37 PM
Most, meaning 95%+, people in the country, and probably closer to 99.9% in urban areas, see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism and bigotry. And 95% of the Germans in 1935 blamed the Jews for their problems but that didn't make them right did it?

Forgetting that over one in five Southern people, black and white, man, woman and child, died as the result of the Civil war is just as much historical revisionism as the hatemongering as denying the Holocaust. In point of fact the Civil War was a true American Holocaust.

Allowing pinheads like the Klan to appropriate that Flag as their own is a despicable act. Allowing racists like the NAACP to agree with them is almost as despicable. I am ashamed that members of this forum would further such stereotypes in any way shape or form.

manwithoutahome
July 21, 2004, 12:30 AM
RocketMan

It's Oregon Firearms Federation. Their web page is http://www.oregonfirearms.org/

And you're closer to them, you should know better :)

And what's wrong with the Confederate Flag? Just because the klan uses it? Just because skin headed bigots that have never been in the south uses it?

Sir, if this was the 1800's, I would call you out. It is my Heritage and it is my history. My fathers family is Southern, My mothers is Native American. I feel the same with the rituals of my Native American Heritage as I do with my Southern Heritage.

Should I be more proud that I get a card with my Tribe name and "number" on it then I should be of my Southern Heritage?

I, sir, would beg to differ on your insights on the matter.

I proudly fly the Confederate Flag, as I proudly hold my Native American Heritage.

Sir, if you have a problem with my pride, then I bid you to learn more about me and my heritage instead of making such stereotypical statements.

Wayne

Sunspot
July 21, 2004, 09:54 AM
I do not have any gun related signs or stickers on my house or car for the reasons of theft or hassels from LE's who have a different viewpoint as I do. That being said, I do fly the "Stars and Bars" at my home along with my US flag.
The one sticker I do have on my car states "Get US out of the UN"
http://www.aobs-store.com/images/products/stickers/bumper_unout.jpg

MuzzleBlast
July 21, 2004, 10:15 AM
Allowing pinheads like the Klan to appropriate that Flag as their own is a despicable act.And, by the way, the Klan also flies the Stars and Stripes, do they not?
I'll fly my rebel flag with pride, and if some people don't like it, I'll buy them a compass so they can find their way NORTH.

bogie
July 21, 2004, 11:36 AM
Guys, I'm not talking about your motivations. I'm talking about folks' PERCEPTIONS.

The plain and simple truth is that "your flag" is seen by a very large portion of the population as a symbol of racism. That's the bottom line.

manwithoutahome
July 21, 2004, 11:53 AM
Bogie,

If we were to be PC because of what a "large population" sees as this or that, then we wouldn't be gun owners. A large population of people see us as "thugs" "punks" "criminals" etc.. for owning guns and wanting to own semi-auto rifles/pistols that look "evil". Should be not show our hobby for fear of being perceived as something that we are not?

It didn't get much news time but three men carried the Confederate Flag throughout the south. The man who carried the flag was Black who was also proud of his Southern Heritage. Of course it didn't get much news time due to it's not PC for the flag because bigots think that it's a symbol of racism.

Wayne

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
July 21, 2004, 12:12 PM
Waitone:

Off topic, however...

A deliberate political smear. I still don't know if the good Chief Moose was aware of the real profile while he was feeding the politically correct profile...

Yes he was.

I recall seeing a news conference at the end of the first week where a woman, a reporter from one of the local D.C. t.v. stations, asked him (Moose) about eyewitness reports of a blue Chevrolet Caprice driven by a Black male as the shooter's vehicle. Moose reiterated his belief that a White panel truck being driven by 1 or 2 white males was the suspect vehicle.

The galling aspect of this is that this same blue Chevy Caprice was later stopped at least a half dozen times at roadblocks around the scenes of the shootings, and is even seen on a videotape entering and leaving a gas station where a blackmail payment had been arranged with Malvo and Muhammed to be picked up. Malvo and Muhammed were warned off when they saw the local police swarming around a white panel truck.

Moose deserves to be condemned at every opportunity for the incompetent way in which he directed the investigation.

But at least Moose is Black. That was a critically important factor in his selection as Chief by the far-left socialist Montgomery County (MD) Council and Chief Exec. Douglas (tried to outlaw smoking inside private homes) Duncan.

A day doesn't go by that I am not thankfull that I was able to move from the far-left socialist swamp that Maryland has become and back to the USA (VA).

madmike
July 21, 2004, 05:20 PM
Let's see...one vehicle is "Stealth"--no decorations of any kind.

The other has:

NRA sticker
"Get US out of the UN"
"NRA life member JFK was shot by ACLU member L.H. Oswald"
a Darwin fish (typical Christian evolved with feet and "DARWIN" inside)
An Informed Jury sticker I can't recall the details of
And "Remember when this + wasn't a warning?" with a crucifix.

No, I'm neither anti-religious nor anti-Christian. I just don't like the moralistic scumbags who want to REQUIRE me to abide by their particular perversion of the Bible.

But I figure it confuses enough people to make them think, rather than mindlessly dismissing me. ("Oh, screw that left wing...er...right wing...er...what the #@$%$#?"

Bubbles
July 21, 2004, 05:45 PM
A day doesn't go by that I am not thankfull that I was able to move from the far-left socialist swamp that Maryland has become and back to the USA (VA).

Sorry, but Arlingraad ain't exactly VIRGINIA. :D

I remember well how people around here felt until the thugs with rifles were caught. I bought a lot of fuel in Winchester (while going to and from WV) during that time...

The_Shootist
July 21, 2004, 09:34 PM
Gee, and I was thinking of putting my "Nuke'em all George" bumper sticker
next to my NRA bumpersticker.

Or is that just too hardline? :fire:

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