[Oleg Volk]

http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn2/keepup_s.jpg (http://www.olegvolk.net/newphotos/tn2/keepup.jpg)

The best idea was to use a progression showing people from different times with their period guns. That will take me some time to create. For now, I offer this as a way to argue with folks who say that we shouldn't have anything modern.

[Yohan]

The evil black assault rifle with the American flag?!! I LOVE It

[4v50 Gary]

Brown Bess or Charleville Musket
1855 Springfield Rifled Musket
(you can also include the Sharps Breechloader, Henry or Spencer lever action)
1873 Trapdoor Springfield
1892 Krag-Jorgenson
1903 Springfield
M-1 Garand
M-14
M-16

[Don Gwinn]

Maybe a model pouring powder from an old brass measure into the muzzle.
"If I load it from the front, can I keep it?"
"If I load it from the muzzle, will you feel safe enough?"

"What if Washington had found 50,000 of these?"

[Baba Louie]

A simple equivelant would be the Betsy Ross flag with a musket in the same pose, same text font, etc. Side by side posters could also get a message across about the tool for homeland defense then being the same as now, all things considered.

I do like your idea of a gallery of images for each period. Would you limit it to just America or would other nations, cultures be eligible (Israel, Switzerland, UK, Samurai/Old Nippon, etc.)?

You do good work. Thank you.

Adios

[10-Ring]

Truly inspired work! ;) Many thanks for sharing :)

[gun-fucious]

long muskets and shorty ARs are kinda tricky to layout:
http://zoom.cafepress.com/2/820862_zoom.jpg

http://www.cafeshops.com/rkbarms

[stellarpod]

Oleg:

Background: Faded profile image of kneeling minuteman with musket in firing position.

Foreground: Bright contrasting image of modern female in similar position holding AR in firing position.

The faded flag behind it all would be nice, but might make the whole image a bit busy.

stellarpod

[Apple a Day]

After 9-11 people went nuts painting everything that couldn't hope, wiggle, or fly away fast enough like Old Glory. With all of the add-on finishes people have been using on their firearms, has anyone applied red, white, n' blue scheme to their firearm?
I think it would look cool to see an AR finished like an American flag, or maybe an old musket redone as a showpiece.
Just a thought. If anyone has seen one done like that, please, post a pic.
Thanks

[agony]

How about a person dressed in the garb of the minuteman holding a musket prominently, juxtaposed/double-exposed with a a 21st century american in civvie clothes holding an AR?

[El Tejon]

Is that a Canook mag?

How about something like that marine commerical where they flash through the marine saluting in the different 20th century uniforms? Always makes me shudder.

[Kaylee]

Personally, I like stellarpod's idea.

As much as like your "still life" stuff Oleg, I think your people posters are as a rule MUCH more powerful.

Which actually, leads me to wonder... in just about every place I've lived, there have been living history folks of all eras.. Revolutionary, Civil War, cowboy, WWII... the relative time period densities change by area, of course, but almost anywhere you can find a fair amount of people who enjoy playing dress-up with old guns.

Have you tried hooking up with that crowd for models? They already have all the props and costumes you could imagine, and at least the blackpowder guys on up seem to be pretty sympathetic to the cause.

I don't know anyone in Nashville area who's into that stuff personally, but I know some folks who might know some folks, if you'd like me to look into it. (Or perhaps someone here will volunteer?)

Regardless, it would make the project you're talking about a heck of a lot easier.

-K

[MN_Strelok]

How about a modern person/firearm in the foreground, casting the shadow of a musket-hefting minuteman?

[Oleg Volk]

Reenactors range from unbhelpful to willing but elusive.

I think it would look cool to see an AR finished like an American flag, or maybe an old musket redone as a showpiece.

I can probably do that in Photoshop.

Will try to do people posters. Need hi-res clip art of old-timey minutemen, please help with that.

[gun-fucious]

i played arround with some Patriotic AR skins:
http://americansforguncontrol.com/patriot_20ar99skin.jpg
http://americansforguncontrol.com/patriot_20ar99.jpg
http://americansforguncontrol.com/patriot_20ar.jpg

heres the General Lee:
http://americansforguncontrol.com/confedar.jpg

[dustind]

maybe a picture of a revolutionary minute man holding a m16/ar15?

[TexasVet]

Oleg, have you seen the cover for Turtledove's "Guns of the South" with Robert E. Lee holding the AK?:D

[MitchSchaft]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0345384687.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Stetson_CO]

Oleg,

Check your PM box thing.


c):{

[El Tejon]

Oleg, there's an AP photo running this morning of a "pro-militree/use of force" rally in Denver, Red. It shows demonstrators in U.S. militree garb from the War of Independence to Gulf War I.

[Soap]

El Tejon- The mag is a Thermold made in North Carolina. I think the Canadians use them as standard issue though.

[seeker_two]

If you want to add one or two (or three) models as a transition b/t the musket & the M16, you could have a US Cavalry soldier w/ a Winchester 1873 levergun (not standard issue, but often privately bought), a WWI Doughboy w/ a Springfield, and/or a WWII GI w/ a Garand.

It might help those liberals slow of thought (redundant, I know :D ) make the connection b/t the two more easily...

[Oleg Volk]

It might help those liberals slow of thought (redundant, I know )

Just to pick a nit...just what would be your estimate of the % of guns and people shown on my RKBA site being self-described liberals?




My guess is about 30%. How many are lurking here right now? Since "liberal" is such a vague label...why offend some of our own allies?


That aside, I like the idea of showing a progression. Can do pics of a Garand, a 1903, a trapdoor Springfield and a flintlock of unknown origins next weekend, got AR15 pics already.

[geekWithA.45]

(slight topic branch)

Oleg: Agreed. Our enemies need a new label.

For me, and many, I suspect, the issue isn't about conservatives vs liberals.

It's about live and let live, it's about the American values of Freedom, Liberty, Self Determination and Responsibility.


I often see plenty of evidence of transgressing those values coming from both sides of the aisle, and plenty of folk of either stripe who "get it".

It's never clean and simple, is it?

[stellarpod]

Oleg states:

That aside, I like the idea of showing a progression. Can do pics of a Garand, a 1903, a trapdoor Springfield and a flintlock of unknown origins next weekend, got AR15 pics already.

Just a thought: On further inspection, I don't think you want to show "military types" showing rifles of different period. There's never been any issue with the government's use of firearms amongst their troops. The issue is CIVILIAN use of same. For this reason, I believe you need to use an image of a colonial civilian doubled with that of a current model (runt-of-the-litter comes to mind...) composed similarly, albeit with current weaponry.

stellarpod

[geekWithA.45]

At what point did military and civilian firearms design diverge?

Was it with the M1?

[gun-fucious]

Colt had the Ar15 as a civilian rifle in 1967

the next generation XM29 is the end of the road for the civilian militia

i did not realize my other links errored out when clicked
i think you can open them in a new window

heres the Bennington AR:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=120719

[seeker_two]

Since "liberal" is such a vague label...why offend some of our own allies?

Guess I should define what "liberal" & "conservative" mean...

"Conservative": One who believes that the Constitution is the valid law of the land which restricts government and guarantees the rights & freedoms of the citizen. One who believes that government is best when limited to those powers expressly given to it by said Constitution. One who believes that people have the right to self-determination and to self-protection. One who believes that judges should interpret laws by what is written in the law--not their own political views. One who believes that, if one wishes to change the Constitution, one should amend it by the process written in the Constitution. One who believe that there is no such thing as "a living document." One who believes that laws, interpretation of laws, executive orders, and ordinances NEVER supercede the Constitution. Basically, it's the "keep the Constitution as it was written" type.
Examples: Sean Hannity, Ronald Reagan, John Adams.

"Liberal": The opposite of the above.
Examples: Bill Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, Franklin Roosevelt, Pat Buchanan

Hope this helps...:D

[owen]

seeker_two,

In that case, there aren't many conservative politicians, and that includes the religious right.

[BigG]

Homeland Defense - Then and Now:

One side Betsy Ross flag behind minuteman. Other side current flag w/ clean cut businessman or other contemporary figure with M16.

[seeker_two]

In that case, there aren't many conservative politicians, and that includes the religious right.

By Jove, I think he's got it!!! :D

[Sam Adams]

I'm going to resurrect an ancient thread, for a purpose.

I've seen, sometime in the last 6 months, a picture of a few Revolutionary War soldiers behind a wall shooting at the Redcoats...

...with M16s.

Can anyone point me to it? I'd like to use it as an avatar, maybe as wallpaper on my home PC.

Thanks much.

[armoredman]

There was a company that once had an ad of the flag bearers and drummer boy painting but with an AR, AUG, and M1A, IIRC.

Holy resurrected thread, Batman!

[ultradoc]

another nice one!

[Claude Clay]

13 stars overlaying todays 50.
musket with butt lower left and ar butt lower right.

i thought i saw it here but i can not find it

[Cannonball888]

Oddly enough Tromix made a musket AR-15 as an experiment.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/Cannonball888/AR15_BP.jpg

[Macmac]

Tn is loaded with re-enactors. I might suggest looking on line at a copy of the National Muzzel Loading Rifle Asso.. NMLRA A sister to NRA.

Then seek the South Eastern Ron dee VOO! Find the Booshway and call him.

That should produce a individal(s) with some choices.

I would like to help, but I am in NH, a tad far, but I am a re-enactor for the wrong war.. With some adapting I could probably me a militia farmer, but again it is winter and I have no studio and the snow is a couple feet deep.

For grins I will show you a pic of my wife and I dressed to go to a Pirate event, by invite with NOT one artical of correct clothing, so we did what we do and created the 'bag lady' look of what we had. My wife wore some of my stuff and we added silk rags for a bright look since this event we attened was a funeral, and this is what everyone wanted.

So I know this IS NOT what you want, I just wanted to show you the NMLRA info..

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll275/Mac_Muz/Clueless_n_Lark/Pyrates1.jpg

Less a few things the male could be militia