[icecorps]

What are the holster requirements for an IDPA Backup gun side match? Is a holster required, and if so must it be a belt holster?

[Ktulu]

Yes and yes.

Safety first.

[Morgan]

We've always done them sans holster (start gun in hand - or on table), and no reloads (5 round course).

[Taipei Personality]

In my experience, BUG stages are normally started from either a ready position or from a box, lying on a shelf, etc.

[Correia]

We have always started BUG stages from the low ready. Lots of folks carry their BUGs in pocket or ankle holsters, and may not have a belt holster to use.

[CZ52GUY]

Curious about IDPA BUG stages also...don't see 9x18 listed...I'd think a Mak' might make a decent BUG, any reason why it couldn't be used on a BUG stage?

Thanks in advance,

CZ52'

[Ktulu]

The local club that holds a BUG match near me requires drawing from a holster and concealment. Holster must be on the belt. No shoulder, pocket, ankle, etc. COFs were, if I remember correctly, 8 rounds. Everyone must load only 5.

[Sidewinder6]

I have an H&K P7, a single stack 9x19 with 8 + 1 capacity. It is the size of a380. I only have 1 spare mag so I cant shoot ESP and prefer my G19 as an SSP and professional use. So, my question is whether it is permissible to shoot BUG loading only 5 rounds???

[Jim Watson]

My, that is an old one.
From the rules:

Back Up Gun (BUG)
This division is intended for club level matches ONLY and will
not be recognized at the annual Championship or any Sanctioned
Match. All CoF for the Back-Up Gun Division must be limited to
five (5) rounds maximum per string (no reloads on the clock) to
allow autos and revolver shooters to compete equally.
Handguns permitted for use in this division must:
A. Be single or double action.
B. Be either pistol or revolver.
C. Be .32 auto or larger.
D. Have a barrel length:
1. Semi-automatic, 3.8” or less (factory installed cone style
barrels with or without a barrel bushing are permitted).
2. Revolver 3” or less.
E. Maximum (total) number of rounds that may be loaded into
the handgun is five (5)

So your P7 is right out because its barrel is longer than 3.8"

[Sidewinder6]

Old indeed and my third one. Some people dont care for the squeeze cocker but I find the weapon extremely accurate and ideal for combat scenarios. Reloading takes 2 seconds and eliminates a step from many weapons.
BUT,,,The barrel is 4.13 and your right. Thanks for the info. I appreaciate your getting back.

[Jim Watson]

Old thread, not old gun. You have to get into cap & ball before I consider a functional pistol "old."

I once had a P7 but could not manage the squeeze cocking system UNLESS I shot nothing else. I was unwilling to part with my conventional guns, so the P7 went.

[Sidewinder6]

Ah OK.

I have other friends who felt the same way but I always found the gun was designed for combat and instinct shooting when it came out. The originals had a mag release on the bottom of the stock but the second spin on this design included a mag release that was outstanding. You dont have to adjust the weapon in your hand to drop a mag and in fact, the weapon shoots the mag clear without needing to use your free hand. This means you only need to slam the replacement home and squeeze the cocker while your re-acquiring your target. It trims at least 1 to 2 seconds off my reload.

On the other side, if you ran a few rounds through the gun, the entire frame and trigger warms up because of the way the barrel is mounted to the frame.
It wasnt a problem, but could be distracting at first. You also must be careful to keep the gas port clean which requires a bit more work than say a Glock does.

Shooting both regularly, I say the P7 has a softer trigger and there isnt much slack when fireing the weapon. My G19 fits my hand better and shoots as accurate once I had the trigger adjusted. Glock is larger. P7 conceals better.
I am becomming a Glock fan more these days and it is my main handgun but still respect the P7.

Thanks Jim..

[Walkalong]

Then my 3" Bulldog .44 Spl. would be legal for a BUG match. Cool.

[HighVelocity]

Then my 3" Bulldog .44 Spl. would be legal for a BUG match. Cool.

In my local club we've got a shooter that brought his Ruger 454 Casull Alaskan snub to the last BUG match. :eek: It's indoors and dimly lit. He definitely won the prize for biggest fireball and loudest bang.

I've used a S&W 640 J frame 357 Mag and a Kimber Ultra CDP in 45acp in several BUG matches and had big fun.
BUG matches and Low Light or No Light matches are my favorite.