Duplicating Military Match Ammo


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ninjaj448
July 21, 2004, 10:36 AM
I'm looking for suggestions from you serious match shooters on duplicating the Military Match ammo for .45 and 3006(M2?). I recently came into a supply of Match .45 and M1 once fired cases and want to see what I can do with them.

Of course, any suggestions are taken as suggestions only.

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GooseGestapo
July 21, 2004, 10:55 AM
Jeff Bartlett at www.gibrass.com

He carries pulled down Mil-spec bullets and surplus powder. Tell him what you are wanting to duplicate and he'll tell you what to use.

Prices are really good too.

However, if you're looking for optimum accuracy, I suggest using Sierra bullets.
230gr RN for the .45acp, and use Win#231 powder. 5.2 to 5.7gr depending on what you're looking for. However, Jeff B. carries mil-surp AA#2 which will also do quite well, for much less $$$. The mil-surp bullets (IMI, ect) vary greatly in quality from lot to lot, so, the Sierra is much more predictable. Practice with the mil-surp, compete with the Sierra's.

For the '06, use the Sierra (or Nosler) 168gr BTHP match bullet.

My older brother shoots NRA high-power with an M-1:
He uses the Sierra 168grBTHP over 46.0gr of H4895, or 48.0gr of Imr4064. Nearly duplicates the 173gr mil-spec Match, only more accurate. He uses weight/headstamp matched mil-spec brass that's been neck-turned, and primer pockets/flash-holes reamed.

I'm suprised no one else has responded to you.

Master Blaster
July 21, 2004, 02:19 PM
.45 ACP, I have read that the Marine Corp champ who is also the champ at Camp Perry in Bullseye pistol uses:

3.8 grains of VitaVouri N310, Winchester case Winchester large pistol primer, 185 grain sierra semi wadcutter JSWC. OAL 1.250. This needs a 12lb recoil spring to reliably cycle any .45 I own.

I use 4.3 grains of N310 and 200 grLSWC, or Ranier plated 200gr SWC which seems to give very good accuracy and cycles the 1911 with a 16lb spring.

The classic load is 4.0 grains of Bullseye, with a 200 LSWC.

30Cal
July 21, 2004, 04:47 PM
In the Garand and the M1903, I shoot a 168gr bullet on top of 46.0grs IMR 4064, WLR and a LC case, OAL 3.325" (I think that's the correct OAL). I uniform the primer pockets and deburr the flashhole, but that's as much time as I'm willing to spend playing w/ brass (and my rifles won't care anyways).

The M2 load is for the 147grFMJ (which won't shoot nearly as well). M72 was the better stuff (173gr FMJBT). Any modern match bullet will do significantly better than the M72 slug, so don't bend over backwards trying to find any.

Paul "Fitz" Jones
July 22, 2004, 07:25 PM
When I was a Sierra dealer years ago, in addition to my regular purchases I went to the factory and bought their seconds from them setting up their machines and as a fund raiser for my scout troop they sorted them out by caliber and weight and packed them for me to sell at the gun shows I attended in the Western states. I was advised by some of my seconds customers that they had won some important matches with them and when I told Sierra they said "We don't want to hear that as we want to sell our regular production".

In my State big bore championships as a 17 year old National Guard PVT rifle team member I used my issue rifle and issue AP ammo and my team beat a marine team with highly accurized weapons and ammo which made my team captain General Hardy really happy. I thought the armor piercing bullets being longer would be more accurate. This was 1954.

Fitz

ninjaj448
July 28, 2004, 01:04 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, folks. I have seen the 4895 and W231 loads at other sources since I posted, but the bullet combos and sources are new to me. Time to start sorting/weighing cases.

30Cal
July 29, 2004, 12:55 PM
Time to start sorting/weighing cases.

I wouldn't bother unless you are shooting match bullets (and I wouldn't bother at all if the ammo was for an M1 or other gasgun). I don't even weigh cases that I use on the 600yd line in competition.

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