Where did Oswald buy his rifle from?


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thumbtack
July 23, 2004, 02:16 AM
I was wondering what dealer did Lee H Oswald buy his rifle from, or at least what dealer was it reported that he bought it from?

I bought some old America Rifleman magazines ,1963 through 1964, off of EBay and there is an ad for Klein's Sporting Goods. The ads has the Carcanos with a 4 power scope for $19.88. Which if memory serves correctly if the configuration of the rifle found at the School Book Depository. Does any one know?

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Wildalaska
July 23, 2004, 02:24 AM
Kleins

WildhistorybuffAlaska

thumbtack
July 23, 2004, 02:30 AM
Thanks WA, that is what I thought.

Trebor
July 23, 2004, 04:57 AM
Yep, you got it, Kleins. You probably actually even saw the same ad Oswald read. (Although it may have appeared in a different publication)

Hkmp5sd
July 23, 2004, 10:57 AM
Although it may have appeared in a different publication
Oswald bought it specifically from the advertisement in American Rifleman. Kind of ironic. JFK, a life member of the NRA and democrat, was killed by a mail order rifle ordered from a NRA publication. And today, the NRA has progressed from an organization that democrats join into their top whipping boy/ultimate evil.

DF357
July 23, 2004, 11:08 AM
a group called "Citizens Denied a Good President" would file a class action suit against the dealer, the NRA and the gun maker. There would be a call in Congress to ban all rifles, especially those with loose scopes. Marina Oswald would be sued, Jack Ruby's actions would have instituted a call for a ban on all handguns, the Dems would insist that it was a right wing conspiricy and the press would love every minute of it.

jobu07
July 23, 2004, 11:26 AM
357, minus the names, your scenario doesn't sound all that off from today anyhow...

Trebor
July 23, 2004, 03:10 PM
a group called "Citizens Denied a Good President" would file a class action suit against the dealer, the NRA and the gun maker. There would be a call in Congress to ban all rifles, especially those with loose scopes. Marina Oswald would be sued, Jack Ruby's actions would have instituted a call for a ban on all handguns, the Dems would insist that it was a right wing conspiricy and the press would love every minute of it.

That's actually not too far from what happened. The assination of JFK and Robert Kenneday were the impetus for the GCA of 1968. The reason mail-order gun sales were banned (and the C&R established, btw) were precisely because JFK was killed with a mail-order gun.

From what I've read, there was serious talk after RK was killed to ban all handguns or handguns under certain barrel lengths (so-called "Saturday Night Specials"). The "import points" for foreign handguns that established the "sporting purpose" criteria comes from the 1968 GCA. Of course, the U.S. manufacturers also supported restricting imported handguns as a form of trade protectism. (Short sighted b@stards)

whm1974
July 23, 2004, 03:43 PM
Of course, the U.S. manufacturers also supported restricting imported handguns as a form of trade protectism. (Short sighted b@stards)

Some of the U.S. Manufacturers are still Short Sighted b@stards...

-Bill

CentralTexas
July 23, 2004, 04:02 PM
Prior to passage of the federal assault weapons ban (signed by then President Clinton), the importation of certain types of assault weapons from overseas had been banned during the Reagan and George H.W. Bush Administrations. Such bans were ordered by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) under the 1968 Gun Control Act, which grants the ATF the power to prevent the importation of guns which are not "particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes."

Under the Reagan Administration, the ATF blocked the importation of certain models of shotguns that were not suitable for sporting purposes. In 1989, during the George H.W. Bush Administration, the ATF expanded this list to permanently ban the importation of 43 types of semi-automatic assault rifles that were also determined not to have a sporting purpose.

Later, in 1998, during the Clinton Administration the ATF banned the importation of 58 additional foreign-made "copycat" assault weapons in order to close a loophole in the prior import ban.


This shows who the "liberals" are.........

bob bowie
July 23, 2004, 05:44 PM
jfk.iefactory.com/document/kleins.jpg (http://jfk.iefactory.com/document/kleins.jpg) . The above was the Klein's ad Oswald saw/ordered from.

If you can find a copy, a book called Deadly Business about Sam Cummings(Hunter's Lodge/Intrarms) gives a detailed history on how that particular batch of rifles made it into the country.

Well worth the read for that, and other bits of arms trade history.

Jim K
July 23, 2004, 09:14 PM
"Deadly Business" is a polemic, worthy of Michael Moore. The fact is that there was nothing unusual or sinister about the importation of those Carcano rifles any more than about any of the other milsurp imports at the time. It was all legal and approved right down the line.

As to GCA 68 it is true that the assassinations of the Kennedys gave it an impetus. But the real reason was the riots that followed the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Congress looked out from Capitol Hill at a burning capital, thought of what would happen if all those black hands had mail order guns, and went berserk with racism. The big selling point of GCA 68 was that the buyer of a gun would have to come "face to face" with the seller. No seller can tell a criminal by his face, but he can surely tell a black person. Since it was assumed that the government would never allow a black person to have a dealer's license, the goal was to keep white dealers from selling to black "revolutionaries".

As to Congressional reaction to the JFK killing, the folks here have vastly understated it. Hysteria and insanity were the order of the day. Laws were proposed to ban all guns, all rifles, all scope sights, all military guns, and on and on. There were proposals to put NRA members in concentration camps, and to exterminate all gun owners without trial. There were probably over a thousand anti-gun bills introduced in Congress in the next few days. GCA 68 was a watered down amalgamation of them.

Not commonly known casualties of the JFK tragedy were planned DCM sales of M14 rifles, welded to semi-auto National Match configuration (M14M), and sales of Model 1903A4 rifles with the original scope sights; the scopes were removed, broken up, and the lenses given to high schools for "science projects".

Jim

El Tejon
July 23, 2004, 09:49 PM
Stephan Halbrook, author of several outstanding RKBA works including "That Every Man Be Armed" and "Target: Switzerland", has attributed Ted Kennedy with passage of the SSA of '68. It was his speeches regarding "inner city violence" that influenced Southern senators to reconsider their positions.

Hkmp5sd
July 23, 2004, 10:02 PM
NRA life member John F.Kennedy was shot by ACLU member Lee Harvey Oswald

bob bowie
July 23, 2004, 10:12 PM
To Jim Keenan;

You're reading way to much into my post. I simply mentioned Deadly Business because it is an interesting tale on how Cummings build his empire in surplus arms. And, yes, there was a little interesting(business wise) back story on those rifles.

It was meant as a point of information, nothing else.

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