which autos have...
SkaerE
February 16, 2003, 02:28 PM
fixed barrels?
ones i can think of.
makarov
walther ppk
PA63
lots of different 22lr pistols (but im looking for a bigger caliber, say...380 and up)
anything else?
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Sean Smith
February 16, 2003, 02:33 PM
HK P7 series. Lots of target pistols do too.
Parke1
February 16, 2003, 02:38 PM
Sig 230/232.
Nice little guns, but the 232 I had was too small for my hands. Sold it and bought another S&W 3913. No regrets here.
-Parke1
SkaerE
February 16, 2003, 02:39 PM
the P7 series does? no kidding, i didnt know that. i had thought that the 9mm was too high pressure to have a fixed barrel.
thats neat :)
too bad they're so damn expensive
gryphon
February 16, 2003, 03:45 PM
Bersa Thunder in .380
Hi-Point 9mm Compact(and probably all the other auto pistols they make)
ArmaLube
February 16, 2003, 03:56 PM
Don't forget the fabulous IMI Desert Eagles Rotary bolt system is interesting, too.
Also the original AutoMag pistols and the Wildey.
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Hand_Rifle_Guy
February 18, 2003, 07:03 AM
Fixed barrels, lessee now...
The Campo-Giro , 9mm Largo ( I think.) The direct predecessor of the Astra blowback guns.
Astra 300/400/600, .32-.380/9mm Largo/9mm Para. Blowback. These guns are inexpensive, well-made, and vastly under-rated. Worth researching further. ( I plug 'em 'cause I own one. ;) )
Steyr GB, 9mm Para. Gas-delayed blowback, a la P7
Hertage Stealth, 9mm Para/.40 S&W Gas-delayed blowback, as above.
Wolff Ultramatics.
The Gabbet-Fairfax Mars.
Blowback-class:
Colt 1903/1908, .32/.380
Mauser Hsc. .32-.380
CZ-50/70 .32
Browning (Or was it FN?) Models 1900, 1910.
Almost all of the small-caliber autos from the early part of the century were fixed-barrel/blowback guns with the exception of the Remington 51 and the Savage pocket autos. Ortgies, Ruby, and any number of other spanish and european brands.
PCRCCW
February 18, 2003, 08:01 AM
Makarovs....cheap and good....very well worth the cash.
CZ83 better and hard to beat at any price.
FEG smc/pmk/pa's also hard to beat...crappy d/a trigger but thats it.
Walthers bite me....scares to prove it....would rather have an FEG
Bersa .380....very nice for the $ and run like a timex.
Shoot well
CZF
February 18, 2003, 09:05 AM
YEs CZ83! Pretty neat how you can change calibers by swapping the barrel. One pin and you are ready.
chaim
February 18, 2003, 01:29 PM
I think the Walther P-38 and P-1 does. The P1 (I think that is the designation for the aluminum alloy version) is available in surplus right now. It was a German police pistol for a couple generations. I'd stay away from the WWII guns since the price will be high for a shooter due to collector status, but post-war guns should be fine.
firestar
February 18, 2003, 01:43 PM
Is the Walther P-1 really a fixed bbl? I have heard that it does move straight back a little during firing.
chaim
February 18, 2003, 02:30 PM
Is the Walther P-1 really a fixed bbl? I have heard that it does move straight back a little during firing. You know, I thought it was fixed but with you saying that I now am not 100% sure. I don't yet own one so I can't say definitively.
T.Stahl
February 18, 2003, 02:38 PM
Is the Walther P-1 really a fixed bbl?
No, its barrel slides backwards until the slide unlocks from the barrel. It's similar to a Beretta 92.
Tamara
February 18, 2003, 03:05 PM
Jetfire, Tomcat, Bobcat, Cheetah...
RandyC
February 18, 2003, 03:29 PM
NAA Guardian .380.
hksw
February 18, 2003, 08:47 PM
Most semis less than 9mm are fixed barrel blowbacks (some exceptions though). There are a very few fixed barreled guns 9mm and bigger. As mentioned, the P7, Hi-Point, Desert Eagle, that Heritage gun, that one South African gun (IIRC, both similar to the P7). Except for the Hi-Point, these fixed barrels are not simple blowbacks like the lesser calibers. For the P7, a little bit of the expanding gas is diverted through a hole in the barrel into a tube underneath containing a pistion. The pressure from the diverted gas keeps the action closed, delaying the slide from unlocking a little bit. In the case of the DEP, the gas similarly diverted, is actually used to help unlock the rotating bolt and open the heavy slide. The mass of the slide and pressure from the recoil springs I guess act similarly to the mass of the slides and recoil spring pressures of the simple blowbacks.
Rob96
February 19, 2003, 04:50 AM
South African made Vektor or Vector, unsure of spelling.
Kahr carrier
February 19, 2003, 06:33 AM
Seecamp
Handy
February 19, 2003, 11:33 AM
In 9mm or greater:
HK pistols: VP70, P9S, P7
Benelli B76 series
MAB P35 (though it rotates)
1911 gas gun conversion
Most everything .380 and smaller.
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