[captain obvious]

Yes, I know, its rather obvious it was the case, but Clinton just stated how John Kerry will take assault weapons off the "street."

Where the hell is this "street" they keep talking about? And I must assume Clinton is lying when he says that the Republicans place assault weapons on this street, otherwise I've really been missing out on something, and I'm not happy that no one has clued me to it yet.

[mattf7184]

These demorats are UNBELIEVABLE, IGNORANT, AND STUPID!!! :banghead: :cuss: :fire: :barf:

It isnt over until sept 14th folks...the fight is still on! LET'S ROLL! :fire:

[R.H. Lee]

I dunno. I know there is an "Arab street" somewhere. Maybe that's the "street" where all the "assault weapons" are?

[Lone_Gunman]

Bush says he would sign it too, so no reason to get your feathers ruffled over Kerry.

[mattf7184]

There is a difference in playing politics saying you will sign it and taking a proactive role in banning guns (Kerry).

[Selfdfenz]

I've managed to listen to about 30 minutes of the presentations tonight and all of Clinton's which just ended.

In general I would describe all of it as sickening.

S-

[Standing Wolf]

...Clinton just stated how John Kerry will take assault weapons off the "street."

Yeah? How? America isn't dumb enough to elect that Kerry creature.

[Lone_Gunman]

There is a difference in playing politics saying you will sign it and taking a proactive role in banning guns (Kerry).


Playing political chicken with the bill of rights is not an admirable quality.

[capt_happypants]

So much for that "respecting the 2nd Amendment" crap that was being espoused by the DNC not so long ago.

Congratulations, El Presidente Pantalones, you've managed to rile up one of the most vocal, motivated and powerful forces in the political realm, and sent the vast majority running into the arms of the GOP.

These are the same people that engineered the Republican takeover of the House in '94 and pushed William Jefferson Chuckletrousers to become a moderate.

Some parties just don't learn from history. The Democrats are damned to repeat it.

[Kim]

Is anyone really surprised. The thing that saddens me is the cheering from US citizens to this loss of their rights. I am really miffed. I have no illusion of what will happen under John Kerry. The biggest threat is the USSC appointments he will make. There is going to be a 2nd amendment case sometime and his appointments will doom us. I don't think I will ever see citizens march in protest in DC like the anti-war groups, and NOW. I just don't see it happening. The 2nd amendment was doomed with the passage of NFA just like the idea of socialized medicine was won in 1968 with the passage of Medicare. There was actually a record cut by the AMA taking about socialism --------now very few see Medicare and SS as socialism. Physicians doomed themselves. I now as a physician do not get to practice medicine without governmental control of my wages. Oh when Medicare first came in the government payed well. Hell patients were admitted to hospitals for physical exams, for a rest over the week-end etc. But the water the frog was in finally got hot enough and the frog dies. Samething with the 2nd amendment the water is heating up ever so slowly.:what:

[VaniB.]

Yeah? How? America isn't dumb enough to elect that Kerry creature.

They booted Dole for Clinton, and after 8 years of an unethical Clinton Administration, they almost got Gore in. You don't think Kerry can get in? Right now at this moment I'd bet my money on Kerry. It doesn't help that Bush can't sell himself. That's a big part of the problem.

[madcowburger]

"On the street" is Demspeak for "in private hands."

America just *might* be dumb enough to elect the Kerry Kreature. All most Americans know or want to know about Kerry is that he was in Vietnam, and that he likes to hunt pheasant and shoot skeet and wear rugged blue jeans.

Or Bush might be dumb enough to *let* Komrade Kerry win. Like someone already said, Bush doesn't know how to sell himself. However good or bad a president Bush may be, he's a *pitiful* campaigner. He almost couldn't be any lamer if he tried. He can't talk right and he doesn't even seem to have any good speech writers anymore.

I remember well how the 1994 AWB was "declared dead," then resurrected in less than a week of intense lobbying and arm-twisting by Clinton himself.

It ain't over till it's over.

MCB

[boofus]

I think Americans ARE stupid enough to elect Kerry. Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize by definition half of the population is stupider than that.

All I know is when Sept comes around I'm going apesh*t and maxing out my credit cards on evil rifles and mags. Even if Bush doesn't sign another AWB and manages to win in November you know feinswine and her cronies won't take a break from pushing their grabbing agenda. It'll just keep coming up as amendments to every single bill that comes around.

Who knows, maybe those demorat scum will try something underhanded like putting a 'vote' in front of an empty senate chamber and then Feinswine will vote Yes and get a 'unanimous consent' like when they voted to allow hearing amendments for the Gun Industry Protection Act.

[Zach S]

America isn't dumb enough to elect that Kerry creature.
America isnt dumb enough to smoke for years and sue Phillip Morris.

America isnt dumb enough to ban a weapon thats only been used in one crime.

America isn't dumb enough to ban cosmetic features of firearms.

[Harve Curry]

Unfortunately the ONLY reason President G.W. Bush will not push openly for the so-called assault weapons ban is he does'nt want to lose votes.
In his book "A Fresh Vision for America" GW says he's for all the current gun control. I've wondered if he can do an Executive Order on this after the election.

[halvey]

Clinton just stated how John Kerry will take assault weapons off the "street." Of course Clinton wants Kerry to push gun control. Clinton admitted Gore lost because of the gun issue, and so will Kerry if he pushes it. Then Hillary can run in 4 years. Bill must want to be first lady really bad...

[Boats]

I got the same impression watching Klinton last night. He certainly gave out a lot of reasons to not vote for sKerry. In fact he said something along the lines, "if that is your position, you should vote for the administration."

[capt_happypants]

By bringing up the AWB, Clinton just may have caused enough damage to the Kerry campaign to ensure a Bush victory.

Most Democrats will not base their vote on the RKBA stance of a candidate. It's a peripheral issue. How many Republicans/Libertarians are single-issue RKBA voters?

Which candidate wins?

Among the undecided, support for gun control is a mile wide and an inch deep.

RKBA voters may be a small minority, but they are active and WILL turn out at the ballot box. And the Democrats will be left behind at the polls.

[mtnbkr]

It doesn't help that Bush can't sell himself. That's a big part of the problem.

Heck, not only can he not sell himself, he gives us reasons to vote against him.

Chris

[GSB]

Bush says he would sign it too, so no reason to get your feathers ruffled over Kerry.

Unfortunately, it comes down to a choice between a man who would sign it, but isn't interested in having to deal with the issue and is inclined to have it just go away and leave him alone, and a man who will actively work for that and a whole lot more of the VPC agenda if given the chance. It's not a great choice, but it's the choice we have.

[Brett Bellmore]

I suspect that the difference between Bush and Kerry on guns is about three and a half months. Once the election is over, there's not a thing we can do to touch Bush, win or lose, and he doesn't have to avoid pissing us off any longer. The House may continue to block gun control legislation, but I'm expecting at least one or two nasty executive orders, like his father hit us with.

[Partisan Ranger]

I am an absolutist on gun rights like most people here. But I recognize that Bush has to reach for the middle in some areas if he wants to stay in office (and even though he does, leftist still scream he is a 'right wing extremist' :rolleyes: ).

I haven't lost it over the fact that Bush has said he wants the AWB extended. That's what he says. Read his actions. He hasn't lifted a finger to get the extension bill on his desk.

Now if he starts pushing Congress for it in the next 5 weeks, that's a different story. He'd lose my vote if he started with that.

I figure Kerry has at least a 50% chance to win. He's ahead in OH, and that is bad news for the GOP.

[VaniB.]

Bush is working against serious statistics:

1) No Republican in the last 50 years has won the election without Ohio. Ohio is leaning to Kerry.

2) No incumbent candidate has a prayer without having 50% in the polls.
Bush is at 47%. The Libertarian dreamers and the undecided votes are why Bush must be over 50%. History has shown that the undecideds will lean to the contender.

I don't believe even if Bush pulled the Osama rabbit out of his hat a week before the election it would make a difference. ( Has catching Sadam inspired votes? -No.)

How do we win? I'll tell you how:

BUSH NEEDS TO PICK COLON POWELL AS VICE PRES TO ASSURE VICTORY !! BUT HE'S NOT SMART ENOUGH TO DO IT!!!!!!!!

[Zedicus]

It isnt over until sept 14th folks...the fight is still on! LET'S ROLL!
I Don't think it'll even be over after then, if we don't keep a Vigilant watch they will more than likely try to sneak another AWB through.

Many people forget that the Anti's do not play by the rules as it were, they will do anything, even if it is it is underhanded, unethical, or downright illegal, to further there cause.

If you ask me, People like that are no better than Common Criminals.:barf:

[mattf7184]

I agree, but it will be much harder for them to get stuff thru, unfortuantely we cant ever let our guard down.

Today's poll results show bush pulling away from kerry even more with the DNC going on now and all his publicity, plus good economic news today also.

[TimH]

Hitlery said not so long ago that "something" would happen before the elctions to swing it to one candidate or the other. Call me a conspiricy nut but she has something up here sleeve thats gonna hurt Kerry. She wants to run in '08.

[USAFNoDAk]

Unfortunately, it comes down to a choice between a man who would sign it, but isn't interested in having to deal with the issue and is inclined to have it just go away and leave him alone, and a man who will actively work for that and a whole lot more of the VPC agenda if given the chance. It's not a great choice, but it's the choice we have.

Remember during the Bush Gore campaign how the Brady Bunch and the VPC were complaining that the NRA was making claims that they would be working out of the whitehouse if Bush won?

Well with Kerry, it is Kerry himself that might say, "If I win, the VPC and the BCPHGV, will be working out of my whitehouse".

Bush isn't a champion of the Second amendment, but he isn't to much of an enemy against it either.

Kerry is an enemy of the Second amendment, though he tries to hide behind the hunting and sporting aspect of gun ownership. Nothing is more dangerous than an enemy who is good at hiding. They get you before you can see them.

[Hkmp5sd]

I agree, but it will be much harder for them to get stuff thru, unfortuantely we cant ever let our guard down.
Not really. All it takes is another democrat in the White House and a few traitor republicans in congress, and the AWB is back and probably far worse.

[jefnvk]

if that is your position, you should vote for the administration.

I counted 4 times I was told to vote for Bush last night. After that, I got it. They don't even want my vote (not that I was going to give it to them).
No, we shouldn't give health care to everyone. No, my taxes shouldn't pay for the homeless. Yes, I want Assualt weapons on the street, and If I ever believed that Kerry would give the police more money, I would take a look at who voted against money for the troops they authorized to go to war.

For the last time, NO, I AM NOT GIVING UP MY LUXURIES FOR THE COMMON GOOD.

[Schuey2002]

Do any of you know how the Democratic Convention is doing in the Nielsen Ratings??

Just curious.. ;)

[Sam Adams]

Does anyone know if that McCarthy beotch has spoken at the convention in the last 2 days? If not, when will she speak (so that I know when to duct tape my head to avoid a big mess in the living room)?

[mattf7184]

Hkmp5sd,

Im gunna have to disagree with you on this. With the original AWB getting gun owners up in arms to defend the 2A etc, it would be much harder for even a demorat president and congress to pass a new AWB type law. They lost congress because of this issue in 94 and if they want to stay in office, they will just not say anything about it.

[sevenpoint62mm]

Heres one of the biggest reasons non-gun nuts like us are against him. Hes all for paying crackheads to farm babys. Why not, they'll probably vote this election with pop stars telling them to do so. I'm surpised there isn't a vote Kerry rap song out now. This isn't a slam on anything about race, its a point that democrats shamelessly call the uneducated masses to vote for them purely on promises of a better tomarrow for the poor.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040627-112635-8201r.htm

During the 1995 welfare-reform debate, Mr. Kerry voted against the "family cap" provision, which would have prohibited states from raising a welfare recipient's cash benefits for having additional children while collecting welfare. He also voted against an amendment that would have required most able-bodied, non-elderly food-stamp recipients to work 10 hours a week. Mr. Kerry eventually voted against the 1995 welfare conference report.
After fighting in 1994 for SSI benefits for crack addicts, in 1996 Mr. Kerry voted against random drug-testing programs for welfare recipients. He also opposed an amendment with bipartisan support that would deny welfare benefits to legal immigrants. In yet another vote to encourage immigrants to go on the dole, he voted to delay for two years a provision that would have denied Medicaid benefits to immigrants for five years.
After being relentlessly pounded by Mr. Weld throughout the first half of 1996 for voting against two conference reports containing real welfare-reform plans in 1995, Mr. Kerry reversed years of hostile opposition to welfare reform and finally supported the 1996 bill. By contributing to his very narrow November victory over Mr. Weld, that vote probably saved Mr. Kerry's political career. More than anything else, that no doubt explains why he cast it.

[Greg Bell]

"Playing political chicken with the bill of rights is not an admirable quality."

Nope. But compare Bush's objective record as Governor and President to Kerry's voting record in the Senate. Then read the newest issue of "First Freedom." Vote Bush.

There is no reason to believe Bush or the House will push for a new AWB next year. It isn't like this is the last election in history, despite what is being said in Boston this week.

Vote Bush!!!!

Vote Bush!!!

[AZRickD]

If you want an accurate measure of how the election is going, I recommend

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/election_2004.htm and the rest of the site as well.

Bush is working against serious statistics:

1) No Republican in the last 50 years has won the election without Ohio.

I read an article http://www.opinionjournal.com/pl/?id=110005404 that listed all the firsts that have happened in just about every presidential election dating back to the mid 1800s.

BTW, did you know that no candidate since Lincoln has won the presidency when his national convention was in his home state (Kerry's from Mass).

Citing the article:

Mr. Bush was the first Republican since James Garfield in 1880 to win the White House without carrying California.

As it was, the Show-Me State became the most durable bellwether in America, having last backed a loser, Adlai Stevenson, in 1956. Missouri took that torch from Delaware, which voted for Thomas Dewey in 1948, then backed winners from 1952 through 1996 before falling to Mr. Gore in 2000.

In the process, George W. Bush became the first Republican to win the presidency without carrying Delaware since Benjamin Harrison in 1888. Mr. Bush was also the first president since Harrison to win election without a popular-vote plurality.

He also would need to win the White House as a sitting member of Congress, something only three men have done: Rep. Garfield in 1880, Sen. Warren G. Harding in 1920 and Sen. John F. Kennedy in 1960. And here's a streak that might give Mr. Kerry pause: All three died in office.

[Greg Bell]

Thank you for that link. I get so tired of these silly "nobody has ever been elected when X" factoids.

[Lone_Gunman]

There is no reason to believe Bush or the House will push for a new AWB next year.


He signed away the First Amendment, despite saying he thought campaign finance reform was unconstitutional.

Why should we think he would be kinder with the Second?

[CZ52GUY]

He signed away the First Amendment, despite saying he thought campaign finance reform was unconstitutional.

Why should we think he would be kinder with the Second?

...geez

One does not a compelling case make for the other.

The Bush/Ashcroft DOJ is the first in some time to put forward the notion that the 2nd Amendment represents an Individual RKBA.

The Bush administration is far more likely to appoint 2nd Amendment friendly federal judges.

The Bush administration is far more likely to retain cabinet level membership that is 2nd Amendment friendly.

The Bush administration is far more likely to work with 2nd Amendment advocates like Larry Craig than would a Kerry White House.

There is no compelling case to make that Bush is a "closet anti", other than I suspect a "Rove inspired" statement that he would sign AWB if it came to his desk.

If Bush betrays us on AWB, I will not vote for him, but the burden of proof with this ridiculous assertion that Bush=Kerry on gun rights resides with those who make that assertion. It's a dog that won't hunt, even with Kerry ;).

If you really think Bush=Kerry, then go ahead, vote for Kerry or dream your dream...then we'll be in a real mess until 2008, and the Brady Center will thank you for your support.

CZ52'

[VaniB.]

Who's worried about Bush losing the election just because he can't have Ohio?(-which was a crucial state he won last time) I guess, instead he will win NY, NJ, or California to make up for the lost electoral votes. :rolleyes:

We better just hope that the polls in Ohio are not truly reflective of what will actually go on in the voting booth. Bush is also not carrying New Hampshire that he did carry last time. New Hamshire is not a big deal in the electoral votes column, except it is another indicator that Bush is LOSING AT THIS MOMENT and is not at 50%!

The only hope I have, is that just like Wesley Clarke and Dean, John Kerry will fizzle out in the next 3 months when folks realize what a dud he and Edwards really are. People changing their minds in the next 3 months and sticking with the security of GWBush is a real possibility. I hope so....because right now today as it stands in the polls and electoral column, WE'RE SCREWED!

[sevenpoint62mm]

Just remember peeps your looking at the polls during the DNC and before the RNc. Even the Demis say they always get false boost this time of a voting year. I think after the RNC we'll see thinks level off and both sides sweating it til the end.

Kinda funny though. I went to johnkerry.com to see what his stance on the 2nd was (which he never mentions). However one of his selling points is:

Improve Domestic Readiness
Our first defenders will respond to any attack with courage and heroism-but they also need the equipment and manpower to do the job.

An ill informed voter might read that as supporting an armed population but of course we know the truth.

[Greg Bell]

I think GWB is in better shape than the media pretends. Bush has taken a constant beating since February, yet he is tied (and ahead in the ABC poll). From here on out Bush is in the driver's seat. There is going to be the Repub convention, September 11th, and the debates. The media will either have to back-off the "Bush is dumb" rhetoric, or they will face a Kerry loss in the debates (when he is unable to destroy him, like the trap Gore fell into). I wouldn't be suprised if Bush pulls away at the end.

Still, I have been wrong before.

Anyway, if you like your guns, vote for Bush.

[Turkey Creek]

I'm a pessimist by nature but I don't think that has anything to do with why I think Kerry will win- In my extended lifetime I've seen a gradual, but persistent, "dumbing down" of this country- too many people who, if they see something on the idiot box, or read, if they can read, something in the newspaper, believe it has to be true- I think we all know that the vast majority of the media are of the Liberal persuasion- so the growing percentage of the population in this country of non thinkers are being fed a continual line of propaganda that Goebbles would have been proud of, and that spells a win for the Dems- but in a rare moment of optimism for me, perhaps this is not all bad- if the time is coming when we have to make a decision to choose to either lay it on the line and stand at Concord Bridge again, or to bend over and take it you know where, I'd rather it be me at the Bridge than my children or grandchildren-

[Greg Bell]

I'm a pessimist by nature but I don't think that has anything to do with why I think Kerry will win- In my extended lifetime I've seen a gradual, but persistent, "dumbing down" of this country- too many people who, if they see something on the idiot box, or read, if they can read, something in the newspaper, believe it has to be true- I think we all know that the vast majority of the media are of the Liberal persuasion- so the growing percentage of the population in this country of non thinkers are being fed a continual line of propaganda that Goebbles would have been proud of, and that spells a win for the Dems- but in a rare moment of optimism for me, perhaps this is not all bad- if the time is coming when we have to make a decision to choose to either lay it on the line and stand at Concord Bridge again, or to bend over and take it you know where, I'd rather it be me at the Bridge than my children or grandchildren-

Most people are ignorant when it comes to political issues, that has always been true. I don't think much has changed. The Democrats have had the media in their pockets since the late 30's/early 40s. Also, we have Fox and talk radio, which is much more than we had 10 years ago.

[2nd Amendment]

Today's poll results show bush pulling away from kerry even more with the DNC going on now and all his publicity, plus good economic news today also.

I've not actually had time to look the polls over but I have heard this from several places. If true then it has to be a terribly frightening thing for Kerry since conventions are, almost by definition, poll-jackers during and immediately afterwards. I've also been told Kerry absolutely plummeted in MA during the convention, another ugly sign for the Dems.

Something else I found humorous was, I believe, Edward's claim that Bush had "united" the Dem Party. The fact is I have not heard a single Dem who is happy with Kerry. Those who say they are voting for him say it is solely because he is not Bush. Period. They despise him as much as Shrub himself, but he's at least a Dem. And there's the fact that Kerry is VERY weak with veterans. Throw in the fact pro-lifers, anti-taxers, land-rights groups AND gun owners detest him and it appears to me he's going to need a miracle to win. He may even need a miracle to make a decent showing.

Personally I am hoping for a rout. Not only to save us from John F'in Kerry but also to break the back of the far-Left's control on the Dem Party. They have moved as far left as possible with Kerry and if he is rejected it will, hopefully, alter the Dem direction for a long time to come.