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July 27, 2004, 10:26 PM
http://www.columbian.com/07242004/front_pa/169552.html

At least the officers went home safe.

Report: Dog's owner was cuffed when shot

Saturday, July 24, 2004
By JOHN BRANTON, Columbian staff writer

A sheriff's investigation into the shooting of a 19-year-old woman by deputies who were firing at her dog confirms that she was handcuffed and lying on the ground just before being hit.

The investigation, released Thursday in response to a public-records request by The Columbian, also confirms witness reports that one of the officers fired his gun at the wounded boxer-mix dog as it was running away the evening of June 26.

But witnesses interviewed by sheriff's detectives differed on another key point, whether the dog, named Savage, was moving aggressively toward Deputies Don Slagle and John O'Mara when they first opened fire.

Both deputies said the dog approached them aggressively. But about half of the approximately nine witnesses said the dog wasn't aggressive and appeared to be going to 19-year-old Tabitha DeSousa, its handcuffed owner, just before she was struck in the lower left leg by a bullet, the report said.

The investigation was conducted by the sheriff's Major Crimes Unit assisted by Vancouver police Detective Jane Scott. On Friday, Chief Criminal Deputy Prosecutor Jim Miller said he had reviewed the investigation and concluded there was no evidence the two deputies committed any criminal wrongdoing.

Indeed, Miller said, encountering a man with a gun was stressful for the deputies.

"It actually was a pretty traumatic and dangerous situation that was existing for a bit," Miller said.

Clark County Sheriff Garry Lucas said it hadn't been determined whether the deputies violated any department policies or would be disciplined.

One officer's bullet struck DeSousa in the lower left leg, shattering a bone. DeSousa underwent surgery twice at Southwest Washington Medical Center and was released from a Vancouver rehabilitation facility July 10.

Clark County is paying De-Sousa's "reasonable and necessary" medical bills, Chief Deputy Prosecutor Curt Wyrick said. The amount to be paid has not been revealed.

Deputies Slagle and O'Mara remain on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation, officials said. That is routine in such cases.

The report released Thursday concludes that "both Deputy Slagle and O'Mara feared the dog was going to attack them and both fired their duty weapons," but it does not offer an opinion on whether the officers' actions were correct.

The dog, which wore a pinch collar often used to control aggressive dogs, was later euthanized because of its wounds and alleged aggressive behavior the night of the shooting.

An official from Clark County Animal Protection and Control told The Columbian she could find no previous complaints involving the animal.

The investigative report's synopsis says the deputies arrived at a home at 5717 N.E. 45th Ave. in the Minnehaha area about 7:40 p.m. A real-estate agent who was trying to sell the home had reported seeing a handgun and drug paraphernalia inside three days earlier.

When O'Mara arrived, he saw Michael Luther Woosley, 47, standing by a car in the yard. Another man was seen just inside the home, and O'Mara followed him. The man ran out the back door and around to the front of the home, where Slagle was standing.

Slagle saw the man was holding a handgun and yelled for him to drop it. The man ran back into the home, dropped the gun and initially escaped. The discarded weapon, found in the home, was a Ruger P-89 9 mm semiautomatic pistol. It was loaded with 11 bullets.

Several officers surrounded the area. An hour later, David Lloyd Kipp, 37, was apprehended a few blocks away and taken to the Clark County Jail on suspicion of being a felon in possession of a firearm.

Kipp later told detectives he'd come to the home to buy Woosley's car, a statement echoed by Woosley.

Kipp gave two versions of why he had a handgun. He said he found the gun on a pile of clothing as he was cleaning out the car. He also said he went inside the home to get a drink of water and found the gun in a drawer by a sink.

Kipp said he had asked Woosley to whom the gun belonged just before the deputies arrived.

Kipp told detectives he fled because he thought there might be a warrant for his arrest and because he knew, as a convicted felon, he wasn't allowed to be in possession of a gun.

Kipp was released from custody. Nearly a month after the incident, no criminal charges have been filed against Kipp for possessing the gun. The issue remains under review and a prosecutor has asked the sheriff's office for further investigation.

Woosley, a convicted drug user, had been staying in the home, which belonged to his sister, Peggy O'Neill. O'Neill recently had sold the two-story home and had told Woosley to move out, the investigation reveals.

DeSousa told detectives she had been visiting Woosley that evening to "get high." She said an unidentified man had just tried unsuccessfully to give her an intravenous injection of methamphetamine when the deputies arrived.

Detectives were unable to find that man, the report says.

As other officers were looking for Kipp, the investigation says, O'Mara went inside the home and discovered DeSousa and her dog. O'Mara told De-Sousa to shut the dog in a downstairs room and come outside, and she did.

Slagle and O'Mara then handcuffed Woosley and De-Sousa and had them lie on their stomachs in the front yard, the report said.

That's when the dog got loose detectives were unable to determine how and approached Slagle in the front yard.

All witnesses agreed that DeSousa screamed, "Don't shoot my dog!" and moved just before the first shot. Descriptions of her movement differed, with various witnesses saying DeSousa kicked one leg, or rolled onto her side, or was in a partially sitting position.

Half of the witnesses said it appeared DeSousa was trying to place herself between the deputy and her dog.

Slagle fired his .45-caliber Colt semiautomatic twice and O'Mara fired his Beretta 9 mm three times. The bullets hit the dog and DeSousa, the report said.

During the incident, Slagle's wife, Lisa Slagle, was sitting in his patrol car and O'Mara's daughter, Colleen, 18, was in his patrol car. The women had been participating in the department's more than 40-year-old citizen ride-along program, which allows family members and others to ride with deputies, Lucas said.

It wasn't the first time a deputy's bullet went astray while firing at a dog.

In February 2003, when deputies were sent to a call of a man threatening his wife with a knife in their Hazel Dell home, an officer fired a shot at a dog. The bullet struck a neighboring house occupied by a woman and her three children.

The deputy involved said the dog had charged him and he fired a shot that hit the dog and the neighbor's living room window, according to a sheriff's office report.

No one was injured.

Lucas said Monday he couldn't recall the incident or whether any discipline was ordered. Typically in such cases, Lucas said, the officer would be required to undergo extra training about selecting a target and clearing the background to make sure no one could be hit.

Lucas' policy on use of deadly force allows deputies to "use weapons to destroy severely injured animals or to defend themselves against vicious, rabid or otherwise dangerous animals."

The Columbian filed a formal request for the investigative report after sheriff's officials took three days to say who had been shot and which deputies were responsible.

Sheriff's officials also initially refused to confirm two witnesses' reports that DeSousa was handcuffed on the ground when she was shot.

John Branton covers crime and law enforcement for The Columbian. He can be reached at 360-759-8012, or john.branton@columbian.com.



Update

Previously: On June 26, two Clark County sheriff's deputies fired five shots at a woman's dog, wounding the animal and hitting the woman in the leg. An investigation by sheriff's Major Crimes Unit began.

What's new: On Thursday, the sheriff's office released a copy of the investigative report. Prosecutor's office said Friday there was no evidence the two deputies committed any criminal wrongdoing.

What's next: Sheriff Garry Lucas will decide on officer discipline, if any.

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carpettbaggerr
July 27, 2004, 11:32 PM
Where'd this take place?

priv8ter
July 28, 2004, 12:04 AM
This apparently took place in Clark County, Washington. The major city there is Vancouver, which is actually a suburb of Portland, Oregon.

Strange, I didn't see anything about this on the news up here. Things don't look to good for the officers on the scene.

Shooting at the dog...well, it doesn't say what the Boxer was mixed with, but I find Boxer's kind of threatening. I'm not sure I have a problem with the idea of shooting at the dog.

But, hitting the lady(woman...I'm not sure she qualifies as a lady), and then reportedly shooting at the dog as it ran away...paints a bleaker picture.


I notice that one of the officers wives, and the others daughter were in the car as part of the Citizen-Ride-Along program. I wonder if their family being there might have hopped them up into shooting when they normally wouldn't have?

greg

Stand_Watie
July 28, 2004, 01:36 AM
That one ought to be worth a couple hundred grand anyway. Reminds me of the video that's been run a few times by here of the female police officer that torqued one off accidentally and almost hit the suspect on the ground.

pax
July 28, 2004, 02:28 AM
Shooting the dog may or may not have been necessary. I will never fault someone for shooting a mere animal that is about to harm a human being. People are more valuable than animals.

Shooting the woman was ... bad. Very bad. And likely will be very expensive for Clark County government (meaning the taxpayers, of course).

Just goes to underscore the terrific importance of Rule Four: "Be sure of your target, and what is behind or around your target."

Tunnel vision happens under stress! Don't let it happen to you...

pax

Mixlesplick
July 28, 2004, 03:02 AM
From what I have seen of boxers they are very protective of their owners. Whatever else can be said about the woman she sure was protective of her dog! (I feel that way about my dog too).

I think the "reasonable and necessary" medical bills might not feel so reasonable to the woman. If she was hadcuffed and in custody "reasonable" will probably be a lot more than the police department wants to pay.

Tharg
July 28, 2004, 04:01 AM
I own boxers and breed them -

not sure i'd ever respond as "afraid" if i saw one. A fellow breeder has a couple of boxers that are much bigger than mine... still - they are usually more circumspect in thier analysis and i've never seen one react violently.... more likely to run from a person than attack in my experience.

Guess they CAN ...LOOK viscous tho. Then again - the fex ex guy keeps biscuits for my labs and the postal lady won't get out of her car .. <shrug>

(you know - the HUGE black lab and the med. sized chocolate that are barking... but waggin thier tails like there is no tomorrow... rofl)

If the dog was going to the girl.... which a good dog would... i don't see why any shots were fired - but its always easier to judge on what happened after the fact than to judge/act during the time frame in question.

J/Tharg!

thefitzvh
July 28, 2004, 05:08 AM
Hey guys... she was resisting, and obviously deserved it. Frickin' civilians... jeez

Beren
July 28, 2004, 06:58 AM
I agree with Pax. (Gasp!) No fault for shooting the dog if they reasonably felt threatened by it. It's a shame, but it's a dog, not a person.

Shooting the dog when there were handcuffed civilians in the line of fire - very, very bad.

That the one cop brought his daughter along for a ride-along shows bad judgement, in my opinion. Why on earth would he want anyone he arrested to get a good look at his 18 year-old daughter?? It seems like a great way to get her targeted for reprisals if someone was motivated to do so.

HankB
July 28, 2004, 08:41 AM
In the TX CHL class, we were taught that we are responsible for every bullet we fire. If we fire at a bad guy, miss, and hit some innocent bystander, we're in deep trouble - most likely we'll face criminal charges as well as the almost inevitable civil suit.

So . . . do police officers have a lesser standard? Does the officer who shot the woman and inflicted a crippling injury face criminal charges as I would?

Or, since he has a badge, is he above the law?

Stand_Watie
July 28, 2004, 09:09 AM
So . . . do police officers have a lesser standard? Does the officer who shot the woman and inflicted a crippling injury face criminal charges as I would?

Or, since he has a badge, is he above the law?

I heard the same thing, the instructor basically stated that no matter how righteous the shooting was, if a bolt of lightning came out of the sky and struck the bullet as it left the gun redirecting it into a bystander, you'd be on the hook criminally.

Frankly, I suspect they're overstating the case. I also doubt if there's a special "police exemption" for reckless discharge or negligent homicide, but that would vary by state.

Obviously the degree to which a person is being threatened would shape whether or not a discharge is "reckless" or a homicide "negligent". Shooting at a terrorist that is firing a bazooka at you or someone else on a school playground and accidentally killing a child might very well not be 'negligent homicide' when shooting at a charging dog might be.

Personally, I don't think you should use a firearm on any dog smaller than a great bernard if there is the remotest possibility that the bullet might go awry, particularly if you're also armed with an asp or PR24. I also think a lot of police departments would be well served to spend the extra time and $$ and get some real quality training time for all their officers becoming very familiar with handling aggressive dogs, as likely as they are to come in contact with them.

jason10mm
July 28, 2004, 02:39 PM
you guys are missing the most important points in the article!

A) the bad guy only had 11 rounds in his gun, so according to the Dimocrats, he was no threat to anyone!!

B) One cop had a 1911 and didn't kill anything, how is this possible? You can miss with that sweet SA trigger, but a .45 bullet should have killed anyhting it touched, right??


Ok, ok, it has been a long day at work and I'm feeling alittle goofy :P

JPL
July 28, 2004, 02:46 PM
Sounds like the wrong mad dog was euthanized.

Cosmoline
July 28, 2004, 02:48 PM
This has nothing to do with defending yourself from some dog. It has to do with responsibility for shots fired. You and I are responsible for each and every bullet, slug or roundshot that we fire. 100% responsible.

They are not.

It's like the line from the movie "Blade Runner." -- "If you're not cop, you're little people.":fire:

EricOKC
July 28, 2004, 03:47 PM
Frankly, I suspect they're overstating the case. I also doubt if there's a special "police exemption" for reckless discharge or negligent homicide, but that would vary by state.

I doubt there is a "police exemption" codified into law, but, if you believe there isnt one in practice, well, i'd have to question where you've been living the past few decades.

TRLaye
July 28, 2004, 04:55 PM
To ericOKC's reply

I'd have to concur. Officers can, and have, shot and killed people because they made a "furtive movement" with no weapon on them and no legal repercussions occurred.

If an ordinary citizen were to to shoot someone and no weapon were found they would be hung high. "I thought he had a gun" just wouldn't fly even tho it has in police involved shootings.

A little research via web seach for police accidental shootings and othe such words brings an amazing number of hits that report some really concerning police involved shootings.

That doesn't make all of the shootings bad but way to many of them occur.

We recently had a state officer shoot a citizen, in San Jose, in the back for making a furtive movement. The citizen was killed and he had a closed pocket knife in his pocket. If it hadn't been for other egregious errors and police related witnesses and radio traffic the shooter would probably not have been charged.

My $.02 for what it's worth.

gripper
July 28, 2004, 05:40 PM
ANYPNE regardless of their job that shoots MY dog....if his life was not in IMMEDIATE danger;well it WILL be....:evil:
No.I don't "put animals first"...and no;the involved citizens here most likely were not first class types. That said,I've a HUGE problem with busybodies(concerned caller)and anyone so freaking terrified that they smoke a dog AND wound the handcuffed lady....*** are they working their jobs for?I bet they to all of th DARE/Community Outreach BS,and arer in abject leg wetting fear everytime they go tto the range to re-qualify.They probably need McGruff the Crime Dog silohettes just to keep rounds on paper:neener:
Naw,seriously,anyone of us could have an@sshole make a phone call and precipitate LEO action at our houses....My dog? Your life......

gripper
August 7, 2004, 06:37 PM
Not to flame anyone, but here's some clarification:
I bother no one. I work my job,mind my own business. I do not lightly bring people into my house;nor do I lightly or frivolously fight. I don't bug/annoy my neighbors.I work nights;when I'm not there,Idon't wish to be bothered.
My dogs ARE family....as I already stated,regardless of occupation/badge,whatever,If my family is menaced then as far as I 'm concerned,I'm menaced.And I'm no sheep to placidly cooperate.If someone wants to try and "take charge" of me due to a nosy @sshole,I'm not liking it. If somneone freaks at the sight or sound of a dog and shoots MY dog,paybacks are hell. And some one who wants to get me first;if they don't quite finish,I'll send them there.And no, I'm not a "bad@ass",wanna be anything. But if my space is violated and/or my loved ones(including my dogs)are at peril, I will not event pretend that whoever is the aggressor vs. me or mine is anything but a clock that Im going to stop.
Now lighten up:neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:

Mr. Kook
August 7, 2004, 06:43 PM
One way or another the cops f'd up.

I agree, killing an animal that is not attacking you or someone else, or for the usual purposes of food and humane euthanization is downright wrong, but if the thing is attacking you, it's a different story only if the animal in question is large enough to be a threat to you.

I haven't seen a boxer in my life that I thought was large enough to be a threat to a normal sized human being.

Also, shooting a handcuffed suspect in the leg is an egregious error. These cops should be individually strung up for their actions.

Cops are citizens too and should be held to the same standards as the rest of us.

jefnvk
August 7, 2004, 07:25 PM
It was loaded with 11 bullets.
Maybe I'm reading too far into it, but it sounds like someone is pro-awb.

Shooting the dog, we don't know the circumstances. My guess is that the half odf the crowd that is saying the dog was a danger were the cops and their families. The other half were probably those in the house.

As for shooting the lady, big mistake. Hope someone gets assigned to a desk job for a while.

Linux&Gun Guy
August 7, 2004, 08:54 PM
I think he should be at a desk --- as long as that desk is in a cell.

TimH
August 7, 2004, 11:27 PM
This reminds me af what happened in Albany NY last New Years Eve. Some guy was running from the cops in his car. The guy dives on the sidewalk to drive away. Cops shot several times ( I think like 9x)at car trying to kill car I guess. Kill innocent bystandard on sidewalk instead. Sad

Persnickety
August 7, 2004, 11:38 PM
Does anyone have anything to offer on this:


In February 2003, when deputies were sent to a call of a man threatening his wife with a knife in their Hazel Dell home, an officer fired a shot at a dog. The bullet struck a neighboring house occupied by a woman and her three children.

Isn't out one house and into another an awful long way for a bullet to go? That wouldn't happen with hollowpoints, right?

right?:confused:

SDC
August 7, 2004, 11:52 PM
"Isn't out one house and into another an awful long way for a bullet to go? That wouldn't happen with hollowpoints, right?"

He was almost certainly using hollowpoints; the real question is "What did it hit on the way?" Most wood-frame houses don't have a whole lot of stuff in them that would tend to stop a bullet or slow one down a whole lot. If a round managed to go into a refrigerator, or maybe intersect 3 or 4 2x4s, then it would almsot certainly stop in the house, but if all it has to do is travel through wallboard and vinyl siding, I wouldn't be surprised to see a handgun bullet go completely through TWO houses. The moral is "Be aware of your target and what's behind it."

Matt G
August 8, 2004, 12:29 AM
Agreed. With vinyl, aluminum, or light wood siding houses, a pistol bullet could easily pass through a couple of small houses.

Ugh. This is a hotbutton issue. Woman shot. Dog shot. (Lordy, do people get emotional about those dogs!) Woman in handcuffs when shot! Cops shooting!

Even if this was a Good Shoot with a capital G, the collateral damage is unacceptable.


2.5 weeks ago, I was bitten in the leg by a German shepard that had just bitten a 14 year old about 30 minutes before. Honestly, it was the hotbutton issue of the social fury that accompanies a cop shooting a dog on its own property that had me holding a baton in my hand rather than a gun when the dog lunged. :rolleyes:

The wound's healing okay, but I'll wear a scar for the rest of my life, because I was reluctant to take the necessary measure.

cracked butt
August 8, 2004, 02:56 AM
Newsflash-
If you walk onto someone else's property and shot their dog because yo thought it look threatening to you, and continued to fire at the dog as it ran away, you will go to prison.
Right or wrong, shooting someone's pet will land you in prison. Its just an animal, but animal rights activists and suburban bleeding heart yuppies have pretty much demanded that pets be treated as people in such cases.

In my area alone, there were a pair of teenagers who threw a live baby in an outhouse during winter- only one is doing time for it, less than 6 years. There have been cases of people in the same area shooting neighbors cats that happen to wander into their yards with the shooters getting up to 8 years in prison.

I know a lady in Milwaukee who had to call the police on domestic disturbance issue. She had a fenced off area in her back yard where her collie lived. The cops that came around to the back door shot the dog on sight just because it wasn't on a leash, nevermind that it was in a fenced in environment.

Cops are not held to the same standards as the rest of us.:fire:


Edit:
Sorry Matt G- this post wasn't aimed at you. I wrote it before I read your post. I think in your case, shooting the damn dog could have been a beter choice.

tcsd1236
August 8, 2004, 09:45 AM
2.5 weeks ago, I was bitten in the leg by a German shepard that had just bitten a 14 year old about 30 minutes before. Honestly, it was the hotbutton issue of the social fury that accompanies a cop shooting a dog on its own property that had me holding a baton in my hand rather than a gun when the dog lunged.

An example of how concern over social issues do intrude on our ability to do our job safely.

Why didn't you whack it across the snout, just out of curiosity? I always find that to be a good technique.

Was ASPCA en route to snag the dog for the previous bite? What were the circumstances?

fastbolt
August 8, 2004, 03:00 PM
These incidents always bring out the emotional sides and responses.

We weren't there and don't know what actually happened. We don't have the "facts", let alone the "answers".

Half the witnesses that were there and watching may not actually know what was happening ... and may not have seen what they thought they were seeing. Not uncommon ...

Dogs can bite ... they have teeth. I remember watching a large Boxer act aggressively against a full grown man, and give an excellent performance of a dangerous and agitated large dog.

I grew up with dogs, and understand how people become emotionally attached to them.

On the other hand, I've seen how some dog owners just can't seem to accept that their dog may well become an immediate threat to someone else, capable of inflicting serious bodily injury or death.

My partner is a former dog handler, and he's an animal person. He was recently bitten by a Rott that caught him by surprise at someone's front door ... and which had already reportedly bitten someone else ... and resulted in my partner being there in the first place. He said he felt it wasn't the animal's fault because it was a warning bite.:scrutiny:

He and I have often disagreed about aggressive animals, and animals exhibiting feral behavior that might threaten serious bodily injury or death to a someone ... like us. We've handled many, many situations involving dogs acting in an aggressive manner without having to resort to deadly force, however ... and we realize that we've been very, very lucky. We've also used the services of Animal Control a lot over the years, and everything from poles to tranq rifles have been used on dogs for which we've called them out.

People's pets can attack and bite strangers. Cops are often strangers.

Dogs may key off their owner's emotional responses. Not a surprise.

Dogs can be territorial and protective about what they perceive to be their "property", as well as their owners. Again, not much of a surprise.

Some owners may try to get their dogs to attack other folks ... like cops. I've had it happen, and more than once.

If I remember right, the last time it happened, it turned out the pit was smarter than the owner. It also didn't like OC spray ... enough to be dissuaded from biting us. That earned it a reprieve from being shot. The owner apparently decided we weren't going to be dissuaded from performing our duty by his dog attacking us ... and took control of the animal. Nobody got hurt, including the dog.

Another time, a former partner and I were suddenly facing a charging Shepherd, after the owner opened the front door and released the dog, yelling for it to "get" us. And yes, the nature of the situation was such that the owner realized who we were (uniformed patrol), and why we were there ...

The dog ran at us with its ears back, hair up, barking aggressively. As my partner and I split around opposite ends of our car, and drew down on the charging animal in a cross fire position as it charged at us across the front yard ... the dog surprised all of us when it responded to our shouted command to STOP ... and dropped to the ground, where it remained ... fortunately before we both decided it was necessary to shoot. It wasn't happy with us, but it was obedient. Again, it may have been smarter than its owner.

I'd hate to see a dog suffer because the owner failed to control the animal, or took proper precautions to prevent their dog from attacking and injurying someone ... like me. On the other hand, I don't go to work to get bitten, mauled, crippled or killed ... or allow anyone else to suffer the same experience, if it's at all within my power to prevent it.

There may certainly be those times when deadly force, via a firearm, just isn't going to be a viable alternative, though, due to the risk of someone being injured by a missed, or over-penetrating, round.

Using a firearm is deadly force, and is only considered necessary and lawful under certain circumstances. That's what the law (statutory & case), policies & procedures (L/E) ... and yes, common sense & good judgment ... is for, after all.

I certainly don't claim to have all the answers ... but then, I'm not a member of the media, or that small percentage of the larger general public that always seems to know the answers, either ...

gripper
August 8, 2004, 03:26 PM
...good answere;good attitude and a professional demeanor.What gave me a major case of the:cuss: earlier was the tread response from someone who expressed a reflexive answere to take out either me or my dog as a first resort.I HAVE put down dogs for unprovoked or innappropriate aggression:( ,I DO know both from experience(firsthand and witnessed)what a medium/large working/fighting class dog can do to you.I
My quirk is that I have an instinctive"fight WITHOUT flight"response hardwired into me if my personal/lioving space gets violated;this is probably what got my nose opened up in general on the report that started this discussion thread.
WTH,I probably have more in common with my favored breeds than I was aware of.....if anyone disapproves I'll dig up their lawn:neener: :neener: :neener:

atek3
August 8, 2004, 04:07 PM
i'm suprised that no one mentioned the fact that desouza was a crazy tweaker and deserved to be wounded.

atek3

JohnKSa
August 8, 2004, 04:13 PM
Half of the witnesses said it appeared DeSousa was trying to place herself between the deputy and her dog...a deputy's bullet went astray while firing at a dog. First of all, it sounds like she succeeded, and second, given the first statement it doesn't sound like the bullet went astray...

Matt G
August 9, 2004, 02:07 AM
Why didn't you whack it across the snout, just out of curiosity? I always find that to be a good technique.
The bitch had an accomplice! :p Five of them, in fact, but while 4 were in a semicircle around me barking at me, the fifth one sneaked up behind my left leg, and inched up to try to bite my left leg. It was a smaller (~25 lbs) dog, so I just kicked at it with my left leg. At that point, while I was looking over my left shoulder, the shepherd, which was on the otherside of a low hedge, came through the hedge at speed, biting my leg in passing, never breaking stride. Never got the baton to make contact on her. Heck, dogs are the main reason I carry an expandable steel baton. One on one, I like a baton. When dealing with multiple aggressive hounds, put away the stick and go to gun. Learn from my mistake:
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justashooter
August 9, 2004, 12:36 PM
i have a neighbor whose boxers run. we live in the country, and i have never been threatened by them.

maybe it's just because they are more scared of me, than i of them.

FedDC
August 9, 2004, 12:47 PM
This got a lot of funny comments when it first came out. I have a couple of buddies up there and they said this woman is a meth addict that they were trying to arrest when her dog (BIG BIG Dog) charged at the officers... So, they went to shoot it and this meth chick jumps in front of the dog like the Secret Service would for the Pres... She got one in the Leg.

After some checking, this was the second dog she has had shot by the PD bc she had a habit of using the to keep the PD away (Common trick for drug dealers and users, place an agressive dog in the fenced in front yard).

So, yeah...she intentionally jumped in front of a bullet ment for her dog...I don't know if that is heroic or just another meth addict making great decisions. I'd have to go with the second one.

DMF
August 9, 2004, 01:39 PM
DeSousa told detectives she had been visiting Woosley that evening to "get high." She said an unidentified man had just tried unsuccessfully to give her an intravenous injection of methamphetamine when the deputies arrived. . .

. . . Slagle and O'Mara then handcuffed Woosley and De-Sousa and had them lie on their stomachs in the front yard, the report said. . .

. . . All witnesses agreed that DeSousa screamed, "Don't shoot my dog!" and moved just before the first shot. Descriptions of her movement differed, with various witnesses saying DeSousa kicked one leg, or rolled onto her side, or was in a partially sitting position.

Half of the witnesses said it appeared DeSousa was trying to place herself between the deputy and her dog.

Slagle fired his .45-caliber Colt semiautomatic twice and O'Mara fired his Beretta 9 mm three times. The bullets hit the dog and DeSousa, the report said. How about instead of blaming the cop, realize that the meth addict suspect should have complied with instructions when under arrest. He was shooting at the dog, and she jumped in the way - not the cop's fault.

BTW atek3, no she didn't deserve to be wounded, however it is her fault she got shot.

thefitzvh
August 9, 2004, 01:50 PM
upon reading further details, i'd say it's a case of "stupid woman gets in front of a bullet"

WonderNine
August 9, 2004, 04:30 PM
Oh well, at least they didn't cut her finger off. (http://www.freep.com/news/locway/knife7_20030107.htm) :rolleyes:

Matt G
August 10, 2004, 03:50 AM
Very little relation to this incident, Wondernine, other than officers involved and an arrestee getting hurt.

Daniel T
August 10, 2004, 02:17 PM
We already had a rather long discussion here about that situation, WonderNine. As Matt G says, it really has absolutely no bearing on this case.

If this chick jumped in front of the dog as cops were shooting at it, it isn't logical to put all the blame of the police. Now, she might not have been properly secured, but it's likely the cops were interupted while doing so by the dog attacking.

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