[isaidme]

Anyone own one of these?Any problems?The prices seem to be more realistic then the other brands!!!

[WalkerTexasRanger]

John Holliger at White Oak Precision recommends them. As he is the current Civillian Service Rifle Champion, you should listen to what he has to say....

[SteyrAUG]

I own several and I've sold quite a few.

I had ONE customer who had problems with his 9mm AR15 and it is being corrected. They are one of the better quality post ban ARs out there and have the most interesting comfigurations available.

[Detritus]

But every single High power Service rifle shooter that i've been able to speak with at length, recomends the RRA as THE AR to get.

The FFL holder that i intend to use for as much of my "AR stuff" buying as possible, has even gotten to the point where except for things that are only available through say Bushmaster, (such as the upper for the A1 [non-match gun] i plan to have built) he's stopped dealing with anyone else. i figure this for a very sound endorsement of RRAs products and service.

[Redlg155]

They make great stuff. Good thing you are in the market for a RR AR15 and not a .45.

The last I heard there was an extremely long wait to get your hands on one.

I dont' have anything to say but good about Rock River products.

Good SHooting
RED

[Jack19]

Go over to ar15.com, lots of good info there.

I picked up a stripped RRA lower at a gunshow yesterday and plan to use a RRA upper to complete the rifle. There does seem to be some debate as to whether the lowers fit well with Bushie uppers but I haven't had time to fully investigate.

By all accounts RRA 15s are high quality at decent prices.

[Onslaught]

There does seem to ber some debate as to whether the lowers fit well with Bushie uppers but I haven't had time to fully investigate.

My limited experience has been this.

My AR is all Bushy (14.5" HB preban).
Shooting buddy #1's is all RRA (20" HB postban).
Shooting buddy #2's is RRA upper, Bushy lower (16" M4 postban).

My upper WILL NOT FIT PROPERLY on #1's lower. There's an un-milled (solid) area just under the rear assembly pin hole on his lower that is vacant (or milled away) on mine. My upper won't go all the way down on his lower. We didn't try his upper on my lower. But since #2 has no problems with an RRA upper on a Bushy lower, that must not be a problem.

As far as quality goes, both #1 & #2's rifles are rock solid, beautiful finish, great shooters. The finish is actually a little nicer than my bushmaster.

If I were going to own a post-ban rifle, it would be a RRA. I like their "fake supressor" better than having a muzzlebrake. The barrel extends all the way through the flash supressor, out to the end, so it's non-functional but still looks like an AR.

[SteyrAUG]

You guys are gonna experience problems with Fraken ARs.

Put RRA on RRA and put Bushy on Bushy, etc.

[El Tejon]

Second what SteyrAUG said as to Frankenguns.

[Coronach]

RRA makes good ARs.

Mike

[Rockrivr1]

I purchased a RRA Upgrade Upper from John Holliger and RRA NM lower to compete in Highpower. The upper and lower fit great together and it's very solid. I haven't had any problems with it so far and I'm very happy with my purchase.

When I called RRA to check on my lower after I ordered it, I actually got someone in the factory who knew what I was talking about and had answers to my questions. I was surprised at that seeing most manufacturers use costumer service reps to field calls. Most of these CSR haven't a clue and tell you they will call you back with an answer or put you on hold forever while searching for an answer.

The one thing the guy at RRA said was that they were getting very popular and there were large orders for parts. I had to wait 5 weeks for my lower but it was definately worth it.

[SteyrAUG]

Regarding "mil spec" AR15s and why your Frankengun don't work so good.

First there is NO SUCH THING. Our military has never carried the ar15 (the exception being the differently speced Armalite original), only the M16. So there is no such thing as "mil spec." It is a buzzword used to generate sales.

Second, so called "spec" has a error allowance of plus or minus about 10. So when company A reverse engineers a part that is say -4 and company B does the same with a part that is +7 you get compatability problems when you mix A & B.

Third, when companiues produce a reverse engineered part they too have an allowence of say plus or minus 10. So if they beging with a part that is -6 and are off by -8 the result is now -14 (or out of spec) but remains within company spec.

Fourth many smaller companies reverse engineer other commercial "spec" parts. So it is possible for company C using company Bs part which is actually -14 (but only -8 by company B standards) and compound it further by being off say -6. The result is company C having a spec'd out part at -20 (or as they say in the industry "way off.")

[cwalker3]

The one RRA AR I own is an M4-gery bought through AR15.com. It is an absolutely beautiful rifle. The FFL that did the transfer said that it had the best fit and finish of any AR he had ever seen. If I was in the market for another, RRA is the first brand I'd look at.

[Mute]

One of the best values in a quality AR15. I wouldn't hesitate to get another.

[Gary G23]

If they would make them with chrome lined chambers and bores I would buy one.

[Steve Smith]

Me likum RRA. Good stock guns. Ugg.

[SteyrAUG]

Gary G23, the M4 Tactical is available with chrome bores.

[Bily Lovec]

and where could one get the best price on a RR rifle ??

[SteyrAUG]

Billy, I like to "think" I'm fair. Feel free to shop around at the RRA site:

http://www.rockriverarms.com/

Then email me with your desired model/configuration and I'll see what I can do for you pricewise.

[Bily Lovec]

email sent...
thanks..

[Jack19]

Steyr, you've got mail from me too.

[cratz2]

100% reliable out of the box and as accurate as I can hold. I just don't dig on semi autos very much.

http://photos.imageevent.com/cratz2/guns//DCP_1101a.jpg

[SteyrAUG]

Emails returned.

[isaidme]

I may have to check out your prices as well SteyrAUG after I figure out if I wana keep my commander,sell or trade.

[SteyrAUG]

This is the most popular RRA we are doing. We normally sell these for $895.00 but I can go $850.00 + S/H.

http://www.gunbroker.com/pixhost/2002-11-17/H_H_Firearms_1037594721_RraM4.JPG

It is not a configuration offered by RRA. Postban civilian copy of the M4 Tactical Rifle. True and correct in profile including flash hider "style" brake. Can upgrade from Chrome Moly to Chrome Barrel for $30.00.

[mrstang01]

SteyrAug,

I can't see the pic, can you email me one please?

[SteyrAUG]

Email sent.

[Mildot]

I currently have 2 Bushmaster lowers, both with RR uppers, and they are outstanding. My rifles started out as complete Bushmasters but I liked the RR uppers better so I swapped them out.

Good luck, Mike

[SteyrAUG]

Took some pics of the RRA M4 I built for myself.

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RAAXA*8Szmz0cLZnjRUE*czzbr45UPIZh3UJFucSFDvbDThPDaky6fEikoVnatAT8kREVo9oxjpbUT!S9SrmnHnb6pIM8VId2wP6vsQzPCk/RRA010.JPG

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RAAAAKAT7JJeIRFEgyUF6rjt*sML4AtLmiDdVAQ7PCusoeFVm0GIXU6ak87o95HPtYm2zTNZN7*7kauLv5IGV!qtSFai*l0MNJSw2iqBeOc/Rra020.jpg

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwAAANESDmDq!XTN0uvj7ojH3rVqe1sVK25m6QuzAn7Rp5BRMeDs2bm6pDHw!YSrnJB8L*1YCLzPOVbWxshj!AG2wTBFh9yflcPl!r5hsNM/RRA03.JPG

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwAAANISS2B!2RBHlChu1EPHOTuWynK90SxjHjI!whzNYWP9TxzSt8P80XwJVs4w7Ily6M56PHy7kF6X9o0i5lacHHk1KQISA11BPJEBIyo/RRA04.JPG

Detechable carry handle w/A2 sights. Double front sling attachments, M4 profile barrel and flash hider style brake.

[isaidme]

Very nice,I am getting real tempted to sell my commander and buy one

[Peetmoss]

Not to rain on SteyrAUG pararade but I have heard very good things about SableCo http://www.sableco.net/ and Legal Transfers(there website sucks had to order over the phone) over at AR15.com I purchased an upper from SableCo and a complete lower from Legal Transfers today will let everyone know how it turned out.

[SteyrAUG]

While I'm certainly NOT talking about Sableco. be careful with net orders.

A LOT of guys I know end up with a RRA receiver and various DPMS, JT distributing parts, etc. Many people are selling RRA stuff cheaper than RRA sells it, and that is how they do it.

The big excuse in the biz is they are all spec parts anyway, what's the difference. Which is pretty much BS.

Buyer beware.

I gurantee all my rifles are 100% RRA and you can verify that with RRA.

[Grin&Barrett]

I've sold several hundred RRA rifles

[sshbiker]

In reference to the Bushy upper/RRA lower compatability problems . . . My cousin recently purchased this combo and had this problem. Fortunately the seller of the lower was a smith who took a file to the rear lug on the upper. About 15 minutes of radiusing resulted in the tightest fitting AR I have ever handled. The take down pin can still be pushed out with finger pressure. No Malfs with about 250 rnds so far. The RRA 2-stage trigger is very nice for distance work . . . Quality is excellent.

Shawn

[Redlg155]

A LOT of guys I know end up with a RRA receiver and various DPMS, JT distributing parts, etc. Many people are selling RRA stuff cheaper than RRA sells it, and that is how they do it.

I know that Bushys are relatively easy to identify due to the dry film lube color inside of the upper and barrel markings. Does anyone know if Rock Rivers have and distinguishig marks to see if they are in fact Rock River products?

Two folks I have dealt with on the Internet for Rock River were Pete in NH and Sable Co. Pete sent me a M4 barrel that undoubtedly was a Rock River due to the pressed on faux FS. I'm not sure of anyone other than Knights and perhaps Wilson? that offers this item. I've also ordered two 9mm uppers from Donnie at Sable Co. As I understand it Donnie goes to RR direct for parts...as in visiting them to see what they had on hand. I rememember him telling me one day that he was making a trip up there to check on 9mm configs available and I asked him to pick me up a midlength.

I agree with SteyrAUG. Use caution when ordering from an internet source that is not established within the firearms community. Do a bit of research and ask around prior to ordering.

Good Shooting
RED

[Jon Coppenbarger]

I like rock river arms and have been very pleased with them even if I only buy the complete match lowers and stripped uppers to have them turned into nice match rifles.

rock river is one company that allows you to pay for it and have it sent to a dealer and if your dealer has their ffl on file at rra's you are good to go.

I have a few local guys I go threw and they charge anywhere from $20 to $35 for doing the transaction.

have just ordered a few more lowers to put away.

here is what I come up with and it may be off by about $20 but its close.

rra's m4 entry tactical upper complete post ban $475
rra's post ban a2 complete lower $175
rra's complete post ban non-collaspsible car buttstock kit $65
dealer transfer $25
shipping $25
your cost this way= $765

if you do not want the phony un-collaspible buttstock you can get it down to $700 or sell the a2 buttstock and you should be able to get about $40 to $50 for it very easily.

buy both parts that means the upper and lower seperatly and you do not have to pay the excise tax and if you pay for it at your dealers cost there is no sales tax also.

if you had to buy it from someone , anyone on line or on one of the boards it would have to be shipped to your dealer anyway so why not cut out the middle man.

you ask whoooo what about the tax well have you never gone into a gun store or a show and seen new lowers for sale, YES you do and they are registered as a rifle or long gun.

do you really think if you walked into your local shop and bought a lower one week and then a upper the next week they would say whoooo you need to pay the excise tax NOOOOOOOO. they did not pay it and why should you.

we are here to help each other any way we can and I can offer you the same deal as the others but why when you can save a few bucks. good luck you will like the rra's.

p.s. now if you just wanted a standard rra's 20" rifle or something like it your price will go wayyyy down to the mid $500 range if you do it like above.

[TimH]

Can you get high cap mags for RRA rifles?

[curt]

I purchased an upper from SableCo and a complete lower from Legal Transfers today will let everyone know how it turned out.

Pete in NH (legal transfers) is a good guy to do business with. He has great product, in some cases not obtainable anywhere else, at fair prices. No connection with him other than being a satisfied customer.

TimH any AR15 type rifle can take the 20-30 rd mags except for those abortions they have to buy in CA that have the mag well closed off. Some olympic recievers have had mag wells that were too tight in the past. No problem with RR, Colt, Bushmaster or the other well known brands.

[Jack19]

Does anyone know if Rock Rivers have and distinguishig marks to see if they are in fact Rock River products?

As long as you order from RRA, you won't have a problem.

To me it's worth it to pay a little more to be assured of getting the real thing.

[Steve Smith]

Enough of the veiled sales pitches and the ratings of retailers. You know what does and doesn't fly here.

There is a "Private and Retail Feedback" forum at the bottom of the THR main page. Please use it.

[SteyrAUG]

Sorry bout that, just showing what I built and offering to do the same for others.

No offence was intended.

[Sleeping Dog]

Can you get high cap mags for RRA rifles?

Of course. RRA mag wells are standard AR15, just like Armalite, Colt, Bushy, Oly. No magic there.

Steve, hoping this next question flies, or at least has a high trajectory before crashing:

I'm interested in the RRA Varmint upper. Does anyone make a front sight block that would sit all the way at the front of the barrel, like an M1 or '03A3? I'd want the longest barrel (24? 26?) and the farthest sight post, just because of my eyes. Would this be approaching space-gun-ness?

Disclaimer: Not that I would or would not buy such a thing from anyone advertising or not advertising on this board or any other board. :)

I just want to put holes in paper, the holes very close, the paper far away.

Regards.

[Redlg155]

http://www.fulton-armory.com/AccutronII-500_50.jpg

Might you be looking for something like this? The gas block is in the standard position except that it is a low profile type gas block. A front sight (LIPSKI) is attatched near the barrel end. This pic is from Fulton Armory, but you can get the sight from many places.

Good SHooting
RED

[Sleeping Dog]

Thanks, Redlg155, that's the kind of sight I'm looking for.

Regards.

[Steve Smith]

:banghead:


Obviously what I said was taken too far. I wan't trying to slam SteyAUG as he was not the only one. Just trying to keep the place relatively ad-free for you guys. Sleeping Dog, you could have made that another topic if you'd liked...you'd get more responses! Perhaps the best way to handle it is if you're looking for something, by all means ask. If a sales guy seels your post and wants to contact you, he can PM you. You, the original poster, should then post where you found it, if you wish.


Does this sound reasonable? Let me know!


TimH, of course! RRA and all other quality ARs will accept USGI mags of any capacity.

[SteyrAUG]

Works for me.