clipse
July 29, 2004, 01:02 PM
What handgun being produced currently would you say is the most tactical of tactical and why?
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What is the most tactical handgun today?
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Brian Williams
July 29, 2004, 01:13 PM
That depends on what Strategy of Strategies you are using
This Strategy
Swiming under water in a silt filled delta. I want a 686 or mabeee a 646, 40 S&W with moonclips.....
That Strategy
Just plain dirt and muck and other junk in the world, I want a Tuner Tuned Colt NRM series 70 with a one piece GI trigger, along with the rest of the MIM junk removed and replaced by GI parts.
For the Strategy of EDC
I want a 3" 13 or 586
Or mabeeeee a S&W 940
If you want Tactical Save your money cause a "TACTICOOL" Handgun is gonna cost you:D :D
This Strategy
Swiming under water in a silt filled delta. I want a 686 or mabeee a 646, 40 S&W with moonclips.....
That Strategy
Just plain dirt and muck and other junk in the world, I want a Tuner Tuned Colt NRM series 70 with a one piece GI trigger, along with the rest of the MIM junk removed and replaced by GI parts.
For the Strategy of EDC
I want a 3" 13 or 586
Or mabeeeee a S&W 940
If you want Tactical Save your money cause a "TACTICOOL" Handgun is gonna cost you:D :D
CZ52GUY
July 29, 2004, 01:16 PM
You'll probably need to define tactical...or maybe you want us to do that?
If "tactical" is based on ability to be used for self-defense, that may be one answer...if it's a lot of "bling-bling" gadgets to be attached, that may be another.
When I think tactical for self-defense, I think of the piece I'm most comfortable shooting and operating. Right now that's a toss up between my G22 and my CZ-75B, with my 1911 gaining ground.
For "tactical marketing" purposes, the presence of an accessory rail to attach light and/or laser, availability of good night sights...maybe a "Blackhawk-style drop leg holster" that will allow for use with light attached?
Now there can be practical benefit to an attached light, laser, and certainly night sights...to a great degree, it's how and when they are used by whom, and for what purpose?
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
If "tactical" is based on ability to be used for self-defense, that may be one answer...if it's a lot of "bling-bling" gadgets to be attached, that may be another.
When I think tactical for self-defense, I think of the piece I'm most comfortable shooting and operating. Right now that's a toss up between my G22 and my CZ-75B, with my 1911 gaining ground.
For "tactical marketing" purposes, the presence of an accessory rail to attach light and/or laser, availability of good night sights...maybe a "Blackhawk-style drop leg holster" that will allow for use with light attached?
Now there can be practical benefit to an attached light, laser, and certainly night sights...to a great degree, it's how and when they are used by whom, and for what purpose?
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
Black Snowman
July 29, 2004, 01:41 PM
I'd say the one that gets you to your rifle which, if you knew there was trouble, you should have had in the 1st place.
I'd define the "most tactical" as the best suited for it's intended use. That puts just about every handgun made in the "most tactical" roll at one point or another. They just don't come up with the features at random.
For instance, the Desert Eagle was developed for tanker crews who couldn't manipluate even a bull-pup or folding stocked rifle in their cabins. As a carry gun it's way too big and heavy, but for sitting in a tank it's great because it gives you the firepower of 9+1 .357 Mag rounds and comes back on target very quickly.
The CZ P-01 was build for police use where they wanted extreme reliability combined with light weight, easy handling, and versatility in a 9mm. It makes a great CCW or duty gun.
If you have no choice but to use a pistol as an offensive weapon then you have guns like the extremely high-end 1911s, HK Mk 23 Mod 0 "SOCOM" and other "high speed low drag" items made to be used by the worlds elite with extensive training and practice. To "Joe Average" these guns seem to be extremely expensive toys not providing any great advantage as less "tactical" firearms and are often to large or heavy to be very usable for anything but range use.
So, the definition of Tactical is the 1st thing you have to establish. The CZ 75B Tactical has an olive drab frame and comes with a knife but is otherwise identical to the standard CZ 75B. Tactical is most often a marketting scheme. So, I guess the most tactical gun, is the one the ads make you want to buy the most ;)
I'd define the "most tactical" as the best suited for it's intended use. That puts just about every handgun made in the "most tactical" roll at one point or another. They just don't come up with the features at random.
For instance, the Desert Eagle was developed for tanker crews who couldn't manipluate even a bull-pup or folding stocked rifle in their cabins. As a carry gun it's way too big and heavy, but for sitting in a tank it's great because it gives you the firepower of 9+1 .357 Mag rounds and comes back on target very quickly.
The CZ P-01 was build for police use where they wanted extreme reliability combined with light weight, easy handling, and versatility in a 9mm. It makes a great CCW or duty gun.
If you have no choice but to use a pistol as an offensive weapon then you have guns like the extremely high-end 1911s, HK Mk 23 Mod 0 "SOCOM" and other "high speed low drag" items made to be used by the worlds elite with extensive training and practice. To "Joe Average" these guns seem to be extremely expensive toys not providing any great advantage as less "tactical" firearms and are often to large or heavy to be very usable for anything but range use.
So, the definition of Tactical is the 1st thing you have to establish. The CZ 75B Tactical has an olive drab frame and comes with a knife but is otherwise identical to the standard CZ 75B. Tactical is most often a marketting scheme. So, I guess the most tactical gun, is the one the ads make you want to buy the most ;)
clipse
July 29, 2004, 01:52 PM
I guess I am thinking more 'Tacticool'. Like ultra cool black swat team tactical. :D
clipse
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Reno
July 29, 2004, 02:00 PM
H&K Mk 23
$2,000 and the ads show a guy in some rubber suit crawling through a swamp with it.
Can't get much more tacticool than that
$2,000 and the ads show a guy in some rubber suit crawling through a swamp with it.
Can't get much more tacticool than that
clipse
July 29, 2004, 02:33 PM
The CZ P-01 was build for police use where they wanted extreme reliability combined with light weight, easy handling, and versatility in a 9mm. It makes a great CCW or duty gun.
Thats my carry gun. :D
clipse
Thats my carry gun. :D
clipse
jercamp45
July 29, 2004, 04:06 PM
it is about staying alive!!
The perfect handgun for every one and every scenerio does not exist, and for combat they all lack power....
But the prerequisites, in my book, would be reliability, power, that is fit you and you shot it well and would carry it!
The tactical pistol is not a BBQ gun for fancy dress, or an excuse to stick out in a crowd by wearing your mall ninja outfit.
The workable, durable guns with a history of being chosen by elite units are a good place to start.
Power means as much thump as you can control...and the .45 acp dominates there. 1911's(my choice) rule, but some like the Sig or the Glock. The USP is not right for me, but if it works for you...use it! If I could not have a 1911, I believe I'd chose a Sig 245.
Nine's are acceptable, better than nothing, the ammo is widely available(though not too many of use are gonna be packing heat in some far flung country), and some find comfort in a pistol that has alot of rounds on board.
The P-35, Sig, Glock probably will take the awards here. Some will like the(aaarrrggg!!!) Beretta. But I'd rather have the big heavy bullet than a boat load of medium bore rounds, expecially if we are talking ball ammo.
Certainly cannot leave wheelguns outta the mix. For they are pretty reliable and favored by many...I'll let those many discuss revolver's, cause my experience with them is limited(I like the Jay frames best, followed by Ruger DA's). The are bulky and somewhat limited in firepower, but if you plan on hitting more than you miss, 5 or 6 should really do fine. But mostly yhe revolver is a specialty tool. The big magnums are for bigger stuff thatn man, the litlle snubbies are hard to control and shoot accurately, but easy to carry, and the medium frame .357's just do not cut the mustard for me(no matter how you slice it, dice it and sugar coat it, it is still a guzzied up .38!)
I have tried all of these and more, but return time and a again to the 1911 as the sweetest real world battle pistol, reliable, proven, flat, with lots of thump. It can be customized to fit you and your preferences.
We all make our choices is what we carry(if we can), so pick what is right for you..rather than what is percieved as cool. The opposition is not gonna say, 'my, what a cool gun you have', and they should not see it until lead is out the barrel anyway.
Jercamp45
The perfect handgun for every one and every scenerio does not exist, and for combat they all lack power....
But the prerequisites, in my book, would be reliability, power, that is fit you and you shot it well and would carry it!
The tactical pistol is not a BBQ gun for fancy dress, or an excuse to stick out in a crowd by wearing your mall ninja outfit.
The workable, durable guns with a history of being chosen by elite units are a good place to start.
Power means as much thump as you can control...and the .45 acp dominates there. 1911's(my choice) rule, but some like the Sig or the Glock. The USP is not right for me, but if it works for you...use it! If I could not have a 1911, I believe I'd chose a Sig 245.
Nine's are acceptable, better than nothing, the ammo is widely available(though not too many of use are gonna be packing heat in some far flung country), and some find comfort in a pistol that has alot of rounds on board.
The P-35, Sig, Glock probably will take the awards here. Some will like the(aaarrrggg!!!) Beretta. But I'd rather have the big heavy bullet than a boat load of medium bore rounds, expecially if we are talking ball ammo.
Certainly cannot leave wheelguns outta the mix. For they are pretty reliable and favored by many...I'll let those many discuss revolver's, cause my experience with them is limited(I like the Jay frames best, followed by Ruger DA's). The are bulky and somewhat limited in firepower, but if you plan on hitting more than you miss, 5 or 6 should really do fine. But mostly yhe revolver is a specialty tool. The big magnums are for bigger stuff thatn man, the litlle snubbies are hard to control and shoot accurately, but easy to carry, and the medium frame .357's just do not cut the mustard for me(no matter how you slice it, dice it and sugar coat it, it is still a guzzied up .38!)
I have tried all of these and more, but return time and a again to the 1911 as the sweetest real world battle pistol, reliable, proven, flat, with lots of thump. It can be customized to fit you and your preferences.
We all make our choices is what we carry(if we can), so pick what is right for you..rather than what is percieved as cool. The opposition is not gonna say, 'my, what a cool gun you have', and they should not see it until lead is out the barrel anyway.
Jercamp45
rbuck82
July 29, 2004, 07:48 PM
H&K Mark 23. I saw a SWAT team guy shooting one next to me at the range once. If anything is "tactical", that's it. Also, that's what they've got on Tom Clancy video games :D
Mannlicher
July 29, 2004, 08:02 PM
Tactical? golly that word makes my gag reflex kick in. :p
RonS
July 29, 2004, 08:05 PM
Pistol, caliber .45, model of 1911A1.
In the right hands.
In the right hands.
Devonai
July 29, 2004, 09:16 PM
Tactic, n, a particular expedient.
- The New American Webster Handy College Dictionary
A tactical handgun, therefore, is one that makes delivering ranged, potentially lethal force particularly expedient. Evaluate your conditions and your ability and you arrive at an answer.
In other words, carry the largest handgun in the largest caliber you can reasonably perform with in your operational environment.
- The New American Webster Handy College Dictionary
A tactical handgun, therefore, is one that makes delivering ranged, potentially lethal force particularly expedient. Evaluate your conditions and your ability and you arrive at an answer.
In other words, carry the largest handgun in the largest caliber you can reasonably perform with in your operational environment.
1911Tuner
July 29, 2004, 09:42 PM
The ultimate tactical handgun to date is the one that you can shoot well, and that you have complete confidence in, and that you feel that you can use to handle any reasonable situation that you are likely to encounter.
I know men who carry single-action revolvers that few would relish facing down. I know a young lady who carries a Taurus .22 rimfire revolver.
She is absolutely wicked at 20 paces, and has been since she was 15.
If she can see your eyes, she can hit one of them about 3/4ths of a heartbeat after she puts her hand on the gun.
Find a pistol or revolver that suits YOU and practice with it until an adversary who would do you harm is in greater danger from you than you
are from him. If that turns out to be a Model 10 Smith & Wesson, go with it.
Therein lies the ultimate tactical sidearm. There is no other.
Cheers!
Tuner
I know men who carry single-action revolvers that few would relish facing down. I know a young lady who carries a Taurus .22 rimfire revolver.
She is absolutely wicked at 20 paces, and has been since she was 15.
If she can see your eyes, she can hit one of them about 3/4ths of a heartbeat after she puts her hand on the gun.
Find a pistol or revolver that suits YOU and practice with it until an adversary who would do you harm is in greater danger from you than you
are from him. If that turns out to be a Model 10 Smith & Wesson, go with it.
Therein lies the ultimate tactical sidearm. There is no other.
Cheers!
Tuner
cratz2
July 29, 2004, 09:45 PM
Thats my carry gun. :D
And, I think, the answer clipse was going for in the first place. :p
And, I think, the answer clipse was going for in the first place. :p
Ky Larry
July 29, 2004, 10:28 PM
I'll have whatever Mall Ninja is having.:D
Grunt
July 29, 2004, 10:52 PM
God, I hate that damned buzz-word. It's about as annoying as "Saturday night special", "reasonable gun control" and "for the children". :cuss:
Longbow
July 29, 2004, 11:18 PM
Some S&W auto's. It even say's it on the slide. :)
Tamara
July 30, 2004, 12:17 AM
Whatever Skunkabilly is packing these days. :)
russlate
July 30, 2004, 04:29 AM
Gots to be tactical... shoot off 18 or 19 rounds, do a speed reload, and keep on hosin' da foes!
( Perish the thought that if you don't hit with the first or second shots you might not be around to make a third shot.
Why if you start thinking that way, a guy packing a Single Action Army or Ruger Blackhawk who can actually shoot the darned thing would be almost as dangerous as someone with a Glock! Nah, no way...
Why that would make the man more important than the tool he carries - that old coot who shoots an old model 10 Smith and hits everything he points it at inside 25 yards couldn't possibly be a threat to someone carrying a super duper whatsis like you have. Outrageous!
What was the question again? )
( Perish the thought that if you don't hit with the first or second shots you might not be around to make a third shot.
Why if you start thinking that way, a guy packing a Single Action Army or Ruger Blackhawk who can actually shoot the darned thing would be almost as dangerous as someone with a Glock! Nah, no way...
Why that would make the man more important than the tool he carries - that old coot who shoots an old model 10 Smith and hits everything he points it at inside 25 yards couldn't possibly be a threat to someone carrying a super duper whatsis like you have. Outrageous!
What was the question again? )
LAK
July 30, 2004, 06:00 AM
What Black Snowman said.
Since "tactical" is a term pertaining to "tactics" you must really define in what role the pistol is to be used.
Since "tactical" is a term pertaining to "tactics" you must really define in what role the pistol is to be used.
ckyllo
July 30, 2004, 07:48 AM
define tactical: Black, Has velcro and costs twice as much!!! :neener:
Grunt
July 30, 2004, 08:29 AM
Tactical: The current buzzword in voage with air softers, mall ninjas and other wannabe-operators used to describe the latest cool-looking (though not necessarily useful) guns and gadgets that Hollywood decided they needed in their latest movie to make the good guy look super-dooper cool. :rolleyes:
Does that define "tactical" for you?:
Does that define "tactical" for you?:
clipse
July 30, 2004, 09:46 AM
Would this be tactical? No one would know I was carrying at least. :D After all, Its for the kids. :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/clipse/CZUB/MMMwwwfriendly.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/clipse/CZUB/MMMwwwfriendly.jpg
clipse
July 30, 2004, 09:49 AM
used to describe the latest cool-looking (though not necessarily useful) guns and gadgets that Hollywood decided they needed in their latest movie to make the good guy look super-dooper cool.
Yeah yeah yeah. Thats what I was going for. I was originally thinking this was going to be a fun thread. See what cool black toys you guys could come up with. They yall had to go all serious on me. :D
clipse
Yeah yeah yeah. Thats what I was going for. I was originally thinking this was going to be a fun thread. See what cool black toys you guys could come up with. They yall had to go all serious on me. :D
clipse
Mute
July 30, 2004, 11:22 AM
What is the most tactical handgun today?
Silly man. The one that is blackest and has the most carbon fiber of course.
Silly man. The one that is blackest and has the most carbon fiber of course.
Snowdog
July 30, 2004, 11:35 AM
If I had to choose only one production handgun for being the most tactical out of the box, my vote would go to a plain jane G19 with night sights.
If you're not "tactical" enough with that, I'd wager it's not the gear that's need of improvement.
Disclaimer: I'm not a tactical monkey by any imaginable interpretation. The omniscience of the glorious Nomex/Kevlar sages will likely offer a more comprehensive form of enlightenment
If you're not "tactical" enough with that, I'd wager it's not the gear that's need of improvement.
Disclaimer: I'm not a tactical monkey by any imaginable interpretation. The omniscience of the glorious Nomex/Kevlar sages will likely offer a more comprehensive form of enlightenment
Bravo11
July 30, 2004, 11:42 AM
Black Snowman,
You have given me more information to store in the gun trivia portion of my brain. I had no idea that the Desert Eagle was designed for tank crews and as an ex-tanker that's interesting to know. According to my wife my brain is messed up. I will remember the Desert Eagle for tankers forever but I can't remember to pick up the milk on my way home from work.:D
You have given me more information to store in the gun trivia portion of my brain. I had no idea that the Desert Eagle was designed for tank crews and as an ex-tanker that's interesting to know. According to my wife my brain is messed up. I will remember the Desert Eagle for tankers forever but I can't remember to pick up the milk on my way home from work.:D
Black Snowman
July 30, 2004, 12:07 PM
Glad I could share megcatia. It took a bit of research to get the real story. Original rumors were that they had made a Full auto version with a 20 round magazine but that just turned out to be internet refuse. I can find no credible refrence to one ever being made. I did finally find a more credible source for the tanker crew explination but have since lost it.
I can't guarentee it's true but it was refreneced in multiple sources. Not sure how the development of the .41, .44, and .50 versions got started but I'd immagine it was an attempt to comeriallize it and make some money off all the R&D they did initially.
I can't guarentee it's true but it was refreneced in multiple sources. Not sure how the development of the .41, .44, and .50 versions got started but I'd immagine it was an attempt to comeriallize it and make some money off all the R&D they did initially.
Tamara
July 30, 2004, 12:12 PM
The highest number of Tactical Poser points will be awarded for an HK Mk23 or a USP Match.
Other guns that score highly are bucks-up "Tactical" 1911's of the TRP/Pro/CQB/TRS ilk.
_____________
"Of course I'm a professional! It says so right on my gun!"
Other guns that score highly are bucks-up "Tactical" 1911's of the TRP/Pro/CQB/TRS ilk.
_____________
"Of course I'm a professional! It says so right on my gun!"
JackC
July 30, 2004, 12:25 PM
Check out Birdman Weapons Systems
WWW.birdman.org
He has a widw selection of very tatical weapons.
Jack
WWW.birdman.org
He has a widw selection of very tatical weapons.
Jack
Johnny Guest
July 30, 2004, 12:32 PM
Negotiations are pending with the Ronco people to produce their version of The Salad Shooter (tm] in flat black plastic, stencilled with TACTICAL in bright ORANGE letters.
Anyone want to help me pay for a booth at the next Soldier of Fortune convention? :D
Seriously - - I almost skipped reading this thread. Glad not I didn't. There are some well-thought-out answers to this eternal question . . . .
:p
Best,
Johnny
Anyone want to help me pay for a booth at the next Soldier of Fortune convention? :D
Seriously - - I almost skipped reading this thread. Glad not I didn't. There are some well-thought-out answers to this eternal question . . . .
:p
Best,
Johnny
boofus
July 30, 2004, 03:04 PM
:p
MP5
July 30, 2004, 03:50 PM
I don't know which handgun is the most tactical, but these guys are clearly the most tactical handgunners:
http://www.mallninja.com/agents.htm
http://www.mallninja.com/agents.htm
Haycreek
July 30, 2004, 04:22 PM
:) Just for "fun" I'll say a GLOCK. After all, 65% of LEO's carry one !!
CZ52GUY
July 30, 2004, 04:59 PM
Whatever Skunkabilly is packing these days.
Thanks, I needed the laugh!
Yeah yeah yeah. Thats what I was going for. I was originally thinking this was going to be a fun thread. See what cool black toys you guys could come up with. They yall had to go all serious on me.
I think clilpse meant no harm, and sometimes I think we do take things too seriously.
I drive a sensibile vehicle, I drive it sensibly, but it doesn't diminish my interest in car shows, concept cars, or other frivolity (sp?).
I don't think we compromise the serious side of HG ownership by enjoying some of the less "practical tactical" offerings. The constant "mall ninja" stigma's are getting old. Sure there are those that behave in a manner that is not flattering to our point of view, but the "practical gadgets" are no more responsible than the inanimate objectes our anti-opponents try to make the villain. By the way, as long as they're staying within the law, they have a right to behave in a manner we may not enjoy.
Black gadgets, Blackhawk gear and such, tricked out HG's with lasers on rails...they are the "extreme stuff" within our topic of interest. We all know that it isn't the gear that makes the difference, but it doesn't mean we have to flush out the baby with the bath water.
"Tacticool" can be fun, if you have a sense of humor and know the difference between something that looks good, and something that works good...and sometimes, I think you CAN end up with both.
The chest pounding and "anti-smiley's" are signs too often of narrow minds and those that seek to impose their values on others.
Bottom line, as long is it's safe and legal, it doesn't always have to come down to serious business. Remember the days when we were young, the wider the tires, the bigger the engine, revving it at stop lights...sure, that isn't practical, but it was an expression of interest in something we enjoy. Given the choice between 20-somethings going "Tacticool" or marching with the anti's, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt to get through the "Tacticool" stage.
Don't give up clipse, don't let others define you or that which interests you. Stay safe and legal, and have fun...but don't ignore the wise counsel either...most often you'll find that wisdom is acquired over time...take advantage where you can.
Stay safe,
CZ52'
Thanks, I needed the laugh!
Yeah yeah yeah. Thats what I was going for. I was originally thinking this was going to be a fun thread. See what cool black toys you guys could come up with. They yall had to go all serious on me.
I think clilpse meant no harm, and sometimes I think we do take things too seriously.
I drive a sensibile vehicle, I drive it sensibly, but it doesn't diminish my interest in car shows, concept cars, or other frivolity (sp?).
I don't think we compromise the serious side of HG ownership by enjoying some of the less "practical tactical" offerings. The constant "mall ninja" stigma's are getting old. Sure there are those that behave in a manner that is not flattering to our point of view, but the "practical gadgets" are no more responsible than the inanimate objectes our anti-opponents try to make the villain. By the way, as long as they're staying within the law, they have a right to behave in a manner we may not enjoy.
Black gadgets, Blackhawk gear and such, tricked out HG's with lasers on rails...they are the "extreme stuff" within our topic of interest. We all know that it isn't the gear that makes the difference, but it doesn't mean we have to flush out the baby with the bath water.
"Tacticool" can be fun, if you have a sense of humor and know the difference between something that looks good, and something that works good...and sometimes, I think you CAN end up with both.
The chest pounding and "anti-smiley's" are signs too often of narrow minds and those that seek to impose their values on others.
Bottom line, as long is it's safe and legal, it doesn't always have to come down to serious business. Remember the days when we were young, the wider the tires, the bigger the engine, revving it at stop lights...sure, that isn't practical, but it was an expression of interest in something we enjoy. Given the choice between 20-somethings going "Tacticool" or marching with the anti's, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt to get through the "Tacticool" stage.
Don't give up clipse, don't let others define you or that which interests you. Stay safe and legal, and have fun...but don't ignore the wise counsel either...most often you'll find that wisdom is acquired over time...take advantage where you can.
Stay safe,
CZ52'
clipse
July 30, 2004, 05:15 PM
I deffinately meant no harm and originally this post wasn't a serious post. I just thought it would be something fun. My P-01 is tactical only because it is what I shoot the best, is completely reliable, and very concealable. Although, thinking about shooting an HK USP expert is fun. I would never actually own one because I have no need for it. Sorry if I offended anyone. FWIW, I am 22 and still aquiring wisdom. :D
clipse
clipse
CZ52GUY
July 31, 2004, 09:11 AM
Did "Tacticool" stuff attract you to firearms?
Given the onslaught of negative attention given to firearms, is "the Tacticool mystique" part of what intrigued you? Was it more a tradition passed down from your family?
I'm just curious, because we get fed this line that all our young people are "baggy-pants" smelly radical vegans who hate guns and are trying to resurrect the "flower child" era.
It's evident from this board that many young people are carrying on the tradition...curious what drew you in?
If Airsoft and Paintball and "Tacticool" articles in magazines are the way some kids are finding their way to our tradition, perhaps in spite of their "inner circle's" views...that's probably worth knowing.
Stay safe,
CZ52'
Given the onslaught of negative attention given to firearms, is "the Tacticool mystique" part of what intrigued you? Was it more a tradition passed down from your family?
I'm just curious, because we get fed this line that all our young people are "baggy-pants" smelly radical vegans who hate guns and are trying to resurrect the "flower child" era.
It's evident from this board that many young people are carrying on the tradition...curious what drew you in?
If Airsoft and Paintball and "Tacticool" articles in magazines are the way some kids are finding their way to our tradition, perhaps in spite of their "inner circle's" views...that's probably worth knowing.
Stay safe,
CZ52'
870
July 31, 2004, 09:39 AM
Tactical can be subjective.
IMHO the most tactical handgun is the one in your hand, that is if you can use it proficiently.
870
IMHO the most tactical handgun is the one in your hand, that is if you can use it proficiently.
870
Nando Aqui
August 1, 2004, 04:14 PM
Most Tactical? Easy! The one named as such: My H&K USP Tactical 45! ;)
Wouldn't trade it for anything.
Alex
Wouldn't trade it for anything.
Alex
Ash
August 2, 2004, 01:48 PM
http://www.birdman.org/images/m82pistbig.jpg
I guess this would qualify as the most tactical pistol.
Ash
Southern Forester
I guess this would qualify as the most tactical pistol.
Ash
Southern Forester
clipse
August 2, 2004, 02:19 PM
Did "Tacticool" stuff attract you to firearms?
No, my father-in-law did. Growing up my mom didn't allow evil guns in the house. All guns were evil so no guns allowed in the house at all. When I met my wife's dad for the first time all I noticed was the assault rifles and handguns he was cleaning. He said,"You'll have her home by midnight." I was sweating bullets.
about a year later he took me out shooting for the first time. I really enjoyed. I shot an old 8mm mauser and had a 3 inch 5 shot group at 50 yards. He was amazed. So was I. He then bought me a nylon 66, Yugo SKS, and my own 8mm mauser. :D My first handgun was the P-01. And now I am a gun nut. The main thing that drew me in was the fun of hitting a target. Tactical stuff never really intrigued me alot but it did a little. I don't wear pants that don't fit and I don't have a multicolored mohawk. I do have a wife, a house, and the ambition to make my grandfather proud of me. My grandfather was the closest thing I had to a real dad. He died a few years ago. I still remember him telling me about different battles he fought in WWII. Including the Battle of the Bulge. I remember hearing the words '.45 automatic' many times. It never ment awhole lot to me then but it does now.
See, now ya got me ramblin. :D
I'm just curious, because we get fed this line that all our young people are "baggy-pants" smelly radical vegans who hate guns and are trying to resurrect the "flower child" era.
I hate hippies. They stink. And I love meat, especially a well prepared steak.
clipse
No, my father-in-law did. Growing up my mom didn't allow evil guns in the house. All guns were evil so no guns allowed in the house at all. When I met my wife's dad for the first time all I noticed was the assault rifles and handguns he was cleaning. He said,"You'll have her home by midnight." I was sweating bullets.
about a year later he took me out shooting for the first time. I really enjoyed. I shot an old 8mm mauser and had a 3 inch 5 shot group at 50 yards. He was amazed. So was I. He then bought me a nylon 66, Yugo SKS, and my own 8mm mauser. :D My first handgun was the P-01. And now I am a gun nut. The main thing that drew me in was the fun of hitting a target. Tactical stuff never really intrigued me alot but it did a little. I don't wear pants that don't fit and I don't have a multicolored mohawk. I do have a wife, a house, and the ambition to make my grandfather proud of me. My grandfather was the closest thing I had to a real dad. He died a few years ago. I still remember him telling me about different battles he fought in WWII. Including the Battle of the Bulge. I remember hearing the words '.45 automatic' many times. It never ment awhole lot to me then but it does now.
See, now ya got me ramblin. :D
I'm just curious, because we get fed this line that all our young people are "baggy-pants" smelly radical vegans who hate guns and are trying to resurrect the "flower child" era.
I hate hippies. They stink. And I love meat, especially a well prepared steak.
clipse
Skunkabilly
August 2, 2004, 03:54 PM
I think Tamara got it right :evil:
BevrFevr
August 3, 2004, 12:55 PM
To make em tactical handguns just put one in each hand and do your best Chow Yun Fat impression.
-bevr
-bevr
CZ52GUY
August 3, 2004, 03:57 PM
No, my father-in-law did. Growing up my mom didn't allow evil guns in the house. All guns were evil so no guns allowed in the house at all. When I met my wife's dad for the first time all I noticed was the assault rifles and handguns he was cleaning. He said,"You'll have her home by midnight." I was sweating bullets.
That's my plan :D!
The wife says, "you should show 'em your collection and say, 'Sunny or Shady'?" ;).
See, now ya got me ramblin.
That was the idea...:).
Glad you are part of the community of responsible gun owners. I keep thinking I "need" a P-01 as a little brother to my CZ-75's...so many guns, so little time.
Thanks for the mini-bio...I came to firearms ownership as an adult "without encouragement" during my youth...always curious how others got here.
Stay safe,
CZ52'
P.S. Dress how you want...eat how you want...I was just making mention of how "the norms" keep changing...I guess these days, the gun-owning 20-something is really the one expressing their "individuality"...
That's my plan :D!
The wife says, "you should show 'em your collection and say, 'Sunny or Shady'?" ;).
See, now ya got me ramblin.
That was the idea...:).
Glad you are part of the community of responsible gun owners. I keep thinking I "need" a P-01 as a little brother to my CZ-75's...so many guns, so little time.
Thanks for the mini-bio...I came to firearms ownership as an adult "without encouragement" during my youth...always curious how others got here.
Stay safe,
CZ52'
P.S. Dress how you want...eat how you want...I was just making mention of how "the norms" keep changing...I guess these days, the gun-owning 20-something is really the one expressing their "individuality"...
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