Anybody ever gotten in trouble at the range?


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LiquidTension
February 17, 2003, 02:02 AM
I was yelled at one time at the only indoor range here in town. It had NOTHING to do with gun handling/safety. My friends call me the Range Nazi because I'm a complete prig when it comes to the rules of gun safety. This is a range where all of the employees know me, or at least recognize me.

A friend of a friend was visiting from halfway across the country and had expressed interest in going shooting with me. This is amazing because my friend is a flaming liberal, and he went with us and had a good time. Anyway, he wanted to get some pictures of himself shooting since it was his first time. There was nobody within 3 lanes of us on either side and the flash was off on the camera. After we had taken a few pics, my buddy accidentally turned the flash on, which drew the attention of the RO. He got on the intercomm and yelled at us not to do that again. When we left the range, the guy (who knows me) slapped my hand and said "You should know better." My response to that was, "There is NOTHING about pictures written ANYWHERE in this building. How was I supposed to know?" He then proceeded to tell me it was the owner's policy and he didn't understand why, but those were the rules. I apologized and reminded him again that the long list of rules which I read very carefully before the pics began said nothing about it. This is just one of many reasons I don't go to that range unless I absolutely have to. Nobody yells at me for taking pics at the outdoor range.

Anybody else ever gotten yelled at by the RO while shooting?

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Psssniper
February 17, 2003, 02:15 AM
In my younger stupider days my buddy and I were trying out our new "reach out and touch someone" rifles at 300 yds. We usually shoot in the desert and didn't really know the ranges rules but hey were pretty safe guys. Time came to change targets and off we ran like a couple of olympic runners out to the 300 yd line. Jump in the pit, set up our targets and then start running back. Everybody was yelling and screaming calling us names, Ro chewed us out royally.

Changing targets sure was easier the next time when we drove out the side road. dohhh

Kahr carrier
February 17, 2003, 02:15 AM
Once for Rapid fire until the Range master went and looked at my Target and then said disregard . But on the other hand at most Ranges and Gun shows picture taking is a No-No without prior permission.:)

LiquidTension
February 17, 2003, 02:21 AM
Never tried to take pics at a gun show. Of course, here in SC there isn't ever anything worth taking a pic of at the shows....

rick458
February 17, 2003, 02:33 AM
I have been gently reminded about the yellow line at ASC near Katy before. but I generaly learn quick around guns

Kenneth Lew
February 17, 2003, 02:51 AM
The flash I can understand.

When shooting, I have mistaken flashes out of the corner of my left eye as someone shooting at me. I usually stand at the extreme right of the range (safest place to be).

Also I do not want my picture taken by some TOURIST.

Kenneth Lew

Dr. J
February 17, 2003, 04:37 AM
Got called down once for firing .357 on an indoor range. Seems that there was an unwritten rule about no magnums.

Kenneth Lew: why is extreme right the safest place to be?

Kharn
February 17, 2003, 07:57 AM
I got yelled at by the RO because he knew me slightly better than he knew my girlfriend's dad who was rapid firing his AR15 at the next bench. He was emptying 30 round mags as fast as he could pull the trigger, when the rules say you should ask for permission first, which he didnt, and there's a 10 round limit on rapid fire so the neighbors do not complain.

He didnt listen while at the range (he didnt know the RO told me to tell him, and probably didnt want to look like he was backing down to someone half his age) and did it a few more times, but he refrained from rapid fire the next time we hit the range. I think he stopped because, when we were cleaning our guns, I pointed out that his target had only ~20 hits all over the paper from 5 magazines of rapid fire, and my target with 40 hits, mostly in the center, from 2 (20 round) magazines.

Kharn

El Tejon
February 17, 2003, 08:17 AM
Shooting during "range closed" hours.:o I just had to get in my night drills that night--very stupid.:o

My club now has large, metal weather-proof, neon orange "range closed" signs purchased by the infractor.:o

Don Gwinn
February 17, 2003, 09:25 AM
Dr. J--most people are right-handed, and most right handed people turn to their left after shooting when they turn around. Thus the average neophyte (or dimwit) who turns around and sweeps the range does so to his left. If you're on the extreme right he won't be pointing at you.

That may not be what he meant, but that's why I go to the end. Also, at the indoor range I go to, everyone enters from the left. If you go all the way to the right, no one walks behind you. I'm not paranoid, but I do like to back up a bit in the stall so the brass falls behind the divider, and this way I don't have to worry about being in anyone's way.

1badmagnum
February 17, 2003, 09:31 AM
my range is rerally cool,lets you take pictures or videos.I cant imagine why a flash would bother people,when my 50 is much more flashy !:neener:

SkySlash
February 17, 2003, 09:58 AM
Only once.

My wife and I were at the range with my younger brother. We were shooting pistol, and he was shooting a .22 rifle.

Range was called cold, and we and the 6 or so others there, including one of the R.O.'s proceeded to change our targets.

My brother was taking some extra time to change his target, and was the only person left while we all waited for him to return. My wife and I were off to the side speaking, and the R.O. returned to the line and began loading a revolver while my brother was still hanging a new target. Either nobody noticed, or they simply didn't want to "make waves" with the R.O., but to this day I don't know because nobody said a thing to the R.O.

About the timed I started to turn around, I noticed the R.O. closing the cylinder on his revolver out of my right eye, and saw my brother on the range walking back to the firing line out of my left.

About the time I started to yell at the R.O., he sees my brother, puts down his gun, and turns around to me and says, "YOU have to say something if someone is still downrange!!"

What did I say in response? :fire: I just stared at him. He knew he was an idiot, and so did everyone else on that line. That he would accuse me of being responsible for HIS deadly mistake!?! :fire:

What did I want to say? "I have to say something? I have to say something? that's YOUR job you :cuss: !!!! Obviously you can't do it! :cuss:

Instead I just :fire: at him, and packed my brother and my wife up and left.

THAT was about the only time I can think of that I almost drew my concealed on someone at a range.

-SS :banghead:

cratz2
February 17, 2003, 11:22 AM
Not me, but the visiting father of a friend who was also a member. He was shooting bird shot out of a pistol grip shotgun at the 7 yard targets. I didn't think it was kosher but I never EVER shot a shotgun there and admit that I hadn't committed the shotgun rules to memory.

So he had three targets set up at 7 yards and was blasting away, 7 or 8 rounds. Reloaded and the treasurer came over and suggested that his son read the rules again. I though it took a bit of guts to tell a guy with a loaded shotgun to stop playing considering the four of us were the only ones there. There was no issue, he put the shotgun away and we resumed handgunning.

CZ-75
February 17, 2003, 11:49 AM
Yes.

At a MO state range. where, OMG, I wasn't waiting 3 FULL seconds between rounds, but shooting around 1 per second. :rolleyes:

They even called me back after I did it a second time. I guess I found having to shoot by some arbitrary timeframe too hard and too ridiculous. I've never been called for so-called rapid fire anywhere else.

I decided that I'd only shoot bolt action rifles there after that.

chaim
February 17, 2003, 12:48 PM
I got scolded and threatened with being kicked out and even banned because of the actions of an idiot friend I was shooting with.

I had a Ruger P89, he had a P90. He decided it would be fun to shoot Hollywood style, one gun in each hand and started blazing away. That got the attention of every one of the range employees and they started screaming at us. We were told in no uncertain terms that if we ever did that again we'd be kicked out and told to never come back (some of the employees didn't want to give us the warning but wanted to simply ban us then and there).

I was a bit pissed at my buddy for his idiocy.:banghead:

BerettaNut92
February 17, 2003, 01:15 PM
Yes, for speeding into the range. :o

Big accident on the freeway and was 1.5 hours late for the match as a result. Felt pretty bad as it was private property :o

Pistolsmith
February 17, 2003, 01:24 PM
I had bought a like new Ruger Mini 14 and was trying to sight it in. I never owned anything but 5 round magazines for it.
I was wearing a loose fitting jacket over a sweater on a cool Fall day. I gripped the rifle much too lightly...more like a .22...and the butt recoiled into my jacket and bounced back, giving a quick burst of three shots. Suddenly I was the center of attention.
Several people wanted to know what I was doing with a full auto rifle. I grabbed up a Remington .30-06 autoloader (with the owner's permission) and demonstrated the same effect on the first try. Thereafter, I wore more appropriate clothing when I fired an autoloader.

pax
February 17, 2003, 01:47 PM
Showed up at a buddy's club awhile back. My buddy had just joined the club, wasn't very familiar with the setup or the people. We went down to the proper range for our .22 rifles and were planning to knock over some silhouettes.

When we got there, we were the only ones (mid-day, mid-week). There were silhouettes set up all over the ground, leaning against the berm etc., and that seemed kind of weird, so we left those alone. We set up the ones we were going to shoot at on the racks that were provided and started shooting.

Shortly after that, the club RO drove up and yelled at us for having the targets scattered all over the range. "We didn't put those out there," my buddy explained. "They were there when we got here. We were shooting at these, here on the racks..." The RO plainly didn't believe him -- but glanced at me, saw that I was both female and a non-member, and decided not to be a jerk about it (most the above is inference, but it was plain from his body language that glancing at me was what changed his tune).

We helped him put the other silhouettes back where they belonged, and all was cool.

pax

Sam
February 17, 2003, 02:14 PM
Once by a "rangemaster" who is not fully conversant with 18USC.
I was working over a 5 gallon hydraulic drum on our "numbered range" with a .45 Madsen and he were so upset he felt obliged to call the sherrif. Sherrif brough his toy out and we played for a bit after the "rangemaster' learned about the law.

Sam

Oh yeah, he was one of them who was fully qualified for his position based on being an NRA Basic Firearms Safety Instructor.

DJJ
February 17, 2003, 02:59 PM
Once when I came back from downrange and absent-mindedly started handling my rifle (adjusting the sights or something). The RO repeated the "no gun handling during a cease fire" in my direction.

Another time I was speeding on the way out (doing 12 in a 6!). The RO/owner came roaring after me in his golf cart to give me an earful about stirring up dust.

geekWithA.45
February 17, 2003, 03:08 PM
We showed up during a cease fire, and the RO pointed out a lane.

The range being cold, we left the guns in their cases, but popped open the toolbox for staplers and targets.

"Whoa! Hey! What're ya doing?"

We immediately stepped back, noticed all eyes on us, and politely asked him to hand us our targets and stapler.

One glance in the toolbox brought a sheepish grin.

"Sorry guys. carry on."


Good, alert guy.

jhisaac1
February 17, 2003, 03:18 PM
Way back when, the head DI in basic griped at me on qualification day.

"Son, You wasted two of my bullets!"


jhisaac1

MarineTech
February 17, 2003, 07:28 PM
I got chewed out on the M60 range during Marine Combat Training at Camp Geiger in 90. I had just got done firing the M60. Line was called cold and we were told to stand and move off the line. As I stood up, I shook the sand out of the sleeve of my field jacket. The SSgt went APE over me dropping sand into his gun (Yes, in the Marines, an MG IS referred to as a gun). For the rest of the course, I didn't get dirt on anything but myself.

standingbear
February 17, 2003, 08:04 PM
shooting 9mm,357 and some 38 specials.took out my 44.(incidentlly,this 44 is the only big bore i can shoot really well)i had a total of 6 shots with me,popped them in with the quick load thing and moved my target all the way back.snapped the cylinder home and proceded to fire away.first shot was just a hair low of the bullseye.fired again,right on the money.shot the remaining 4 and dumped the cases.felt a tap on my shoulder and the ro jumping in my face about the noise.apparantly there is some kind of noise dispute going on between the neighbors and that range.i was unaware of this until much later.i felt it wasnt handled properly,there wasnt a need to "violate my nofly zone" so to speak.absolutly will never go back.incidently the 44 was a 7.5 inch barrel, ruger redhawk double action.

blades67
February 17, 2003, 08:55 PM
I was scolded for being in front of the yellow line during a cease-fire. I reminded the RO that picking up brass was allowed during a cease-fire in the same tone that he used. He then told me there were two rules on the firing line, #1: the RO is always right and #2: when the RO is wrong it should be pointed out quietly so he doesn't look like an *** yelling over the P.A.!:D

Carbon_15
February 18, 2003, 12:10 AM
Once, for breaking the then unwritten slow-fire only rule at Shooters Choice in Columbia. All my rounds hit where I wanted them, but he still bawled me out pretty good on the PA.

here in SC there isn't ever anything worth taking a pic of at the shows....
Sad but true

Kenneth Lew
February 18, 2003, 12:30 AM
Dr. J--most people are right-handed, and most right handed people turn to their left after shooting when they turn around. Thus the average neophyte (or dimwit) who turns around and sweeps the range does so to his left. If you're on the extreme right he won't be pointing at you.

Don Gwinn,

That is correct. 80% of the shooters I encounter are right handed and always go to the stall the closest to the door. Several times when I was away from the far right bullets came flying by from my right and missed my hand by about a couple of inches. I have pieces of plastic from the blast shield hit me. The range I go to have a lot of idiots who think they are Bruce Willis and Silvester Stallone. Also its the best place to bring my guns where no one can see what it is.

Kenneth Lew

SkySlash
February 18, 2003, 11:10 AM
I got an email in regards to my earlier post concerning me getting angry at an RO for yelling at me. I mentioned that drawing a concealed pistol entered my mind, apparently I was not very clear in why that entered my thoughts, so allow me to clarify why I posted that.

It was not out of anger at all that I considered drawing.

It was an instinctual thought.

I saw a man closing the cylinder on a live-fire range, and at the same time I noticed that my brother was in the line of fire. My first instinct was to protect my younger brother.

Instinct screamed stop the threat, and first thought was pistol. Conscious thought, however, prevailed, and I did the right thing in this case by leaving the pistol holstered.

My seething anger did not come in seeing the man at the firing line when he shouldn't be, the anger came when HE, a range officer, pointed the accusatory finger at me for his stupidity and potentially deadly actions.

By that point, my concealed weapon was the furthest thing from my mind, as the threat to my brother was over.

Re-reading my post, I see that wasn't clear, but that was my intent.

I hope this clarifies what I meant to anyone that was unsure.

-SS

Owen
February 18, 2003, 12:11 PM
i've been yelled at at Shooter's Choice for shooting to fast also. The rule is written on the waiver you sign to be allowed on the range, but i think they need to change it to "Shoot only as fast as you can hit the target" One shot per second is pretty lame. I don't go there anymore, because the prices are high, the staff seems arrogant, and the rules are lame. In addition the range is dark and dirty.

Owen

Carbon_15
February 18, 2003, 12:18 PM
This was a few years ago, before they even had the waivers.

Shooters Choice pretty much bites IMHO. But before I learned about Indian Creek and Mid-Carolina, it was my only place to shoot.

Goet
February 18, 2003, 12:41 PM
Got chastised at by some old fogeys for violating the unwritten rule of shooting too fast with an SKS at 100 yds. The rule was written at other ranges there, just not at the 100 yarder I was on.

Didn't matter that I had most of the shots on paper. Must have been scaring the deer hunters.

I don't nor won't go there again.


That's what deserts are for!!!:p

mjustice
February 18, 2003, 01:34 PM
Yeah, once I was screamed at for cleaning my gun at the range. Whatta jerk. I figured the place already smelled like BreakFree, so why stink up my home? :)

MJ

Poodleshooter
February 18, 2003, 03:12 PM
Got called for finger on trigger once when shooting my first IDPA match.
I recall my dad getting yelled at once during a cease fire. He was tapping out a stuck bullet from the bore end using a bright orange handled range rod. The rifle was partially disassembled, the bolt completely removed and lying on the table. The weapon can't become less fireable than that!

Strings
February 18, 2003, 06:00 PM
First occassion was playing with my Mauser scout. Guy says he's goin' down range, so I immediately pull my bolt out, slip a fresh stripper into the mag, and start looking over what shots I've already taken. Guy yells at me for loading the weapon. Then I pull the bolt out of my pocket to explain...

Second time was trap shooting, a hundred bird flurry. The previous year, I had seen people with pumps loading their tubes (in violation of a "1 round at a time" rule), so I felt safe throwing two at a time in my Beretta. Guy comes out and dresses me down for breaking the rule (of course, his buddies could do so with impunity)...

Ryder
February 18, 2003, 09:34 PM
Off the fantail of an Icebreaker North of the Arctic Circle one time. We were all assembled along the rail and handed M16s with one 20 round magazine each. A couple trashbags full of bottles, cans, and boxes (trash) was tossed overboard and we were supposed to using these as targets.

I blasted a can a couple times at about 30 feet when I noticed the gunnersmate in charge down at the end of the line aiding somebody with a jammed rifle. He seemed pretty pre-occupied so I scanned around for a target of opportunity. Took note of a seagull hovering above the waves about 250 yards out and decided that would be more fun. Popped the selector to "aughta get-em" and let loose with 3 short bursts. Everybody except the gunny seemed to take notice and before you knew it that poor seagull was being peppered by the whole line.

Hahhah, the GM yelled at everyone to cut it out. I was already back to semi-mode and popping cans with my last couple shots by then. :neener:

Edit - As for the gull, I kind of lost track of it in all that splashing. Last I saw, he was performing some real fancy aerobatics.

Kharn
February 18, 2003, 09:45 PM
Ryder, You left out the most important part: Did someone splash the seagull? :evil:

Kharn

coonan357
February 18, 2003, 10:12 PM
Got yelled at one range (will never do business with them again) for shooting supposed hi powered reloads out of my 1911 , it was boxed 158gr pmc's out of my coonan ( .357 magnum automatic)told the idiot it was a 357 , he said" there is no such thing other than the desert eagle in .357 magnum thats in an auto configuration " aparently I own a dilusion , the second time same gun different range but with 2400 powder reloads a little hot , but that range owner was wondering what kind of gun it was as I was knocking the dust off the tiles in the showroom , and lighting up the range with the muzzleblast , he came out there tapped me on the shoulder when I quit firing and asked me what I wa shooting ,I showed him , he then asked if I would mind letting him try it since he heard of them but never gotten to see or shoot one , no biggie , he ran off , then came back with a box of shells , shot 2 mags and gave me the rest of the shells .. NIce guy. I still do my range business with him to this day .people often wonder why I go to the dungeon than go to the fishbowl .

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