Picked up a Walther G22 Today


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Sactown
July 31, 2004, 01:17 AM
http://www.carl-walther.de/images/g22_rechts_gross.jpg

Purchased a G22 today from my local dealer. It seems pretty solid. The rear sight slides up when in use and is a notch type. I'll be adding a red dot. The forend takes your usual assortment of accessories. I purchased a Knights Armament broomhandle foregrip for it. We'll see how it shoots in a couple of weeks.

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Schuey2002
July 31, 2004, 01:26 AM
Which color did you get? ;)

JackDRipper
July 31, 2004, 01:55 AM
How much are they selling for?
JR

Sactown
July 31, 2004, 01:58 AM
I got the black one. My dealer said those would be the intial ones out. I paid $389 (before all the extortion fees), but I live in **********. Probably $350 in the free states.

mattf7184
July 31, 2004, 03:19 AM
Post a review of it when you take it out! :)

I think your the first on the boards I know of with one.

WhoKnowsWho
July 31, 2004, 04:30 AM
It would be nice to hear how these work out.

MagKnightX
July 31, 2004, 09:10 AM
Oh, how I wish it had a normal stock.

Harry Tuttle
July 31, 2004, 10:47 AM
whats the trigger like?
is the action based on the p22?

Ex-MA Hole
August 8, 2004, 07:43 PM
I went to my friendly neighborhood dealer today. I was STRONGLY considering trading my PPK/S for one of these (642 has made the PPK/S obsolete). I was holding it like I was shooting it. The dealer said "You don't want that".

Why I asked? " 'cause you're a lefty" Huh?

If you look at where the spent casing is ejected- it would hit a left handed shooter in the face!

Oh well.

makarov
August 9, 2004, 02:38 PM
The actions are reversible to a left handed configuration. They also include a 20mm spacer for the butt, couldn't figure out how the stock came apart from looking at it. It is pretty clear it is designed to be reversible, there are little plates on the left side of the stock covering the holes for the ejection port and bolt handle. Neat little guns, but don't think they are worth $350. Really shouldn't cost more than a 10/22 IMHO. I like the bullpup idea, I am also wondering about the trigger on them. For the cool factor I would probably give $250 for one.

Sactown
August 12, 2004, 11:21 PM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid134/p1bb37885504d95564cb2df55d91e9d3e/f7734390.jpg

Picked up my G22 yesterday. I put a Knights Armament foregrip on it. The red dot is an Ultradot 4, I was going to put the C-more on it, but the Ultradot allows for a smaller dot. Haven't fired it yet. The trigger feels like a P22, nothing special, hopefully some work can be done on it. I took the thing apart to clean it. There are 2 springs that really really like to pop out and go flying in this thing so be careful when taking it apart. The magazine safety spring and slide stop spring are really small and hard to find...trust me..have a magnet handy or work in a clean room in a bunny suit. They fly out when you lift the breech housing. Under the disassembly instructions there's a "Caution", they really mean it when the say those drop out. The butt place spacer is held in place by two screws, you unscrew them and take the butt spacer out, unfortunately, they do not include any smaller spacers or screws. If you remove the spacer, the screws will stick out and poke your shoulder. Hopefully Walther will have parts available soon. The rear sight looks useable, however when you slide it up and down I could see how maybe after prolonged usage the sights might slide down on their own. The whole thing feels pretty solid. It's a really compact package. I might spring for the Walther red dot. Walther needs to start selling a sling for this thing as well. No sling swivels? Come on!! Might have to go ghetto and get some twine. More to follow once I shoot this thing.

GunGoBoom
August 13, 2004, 01:38 AM
that's cute...so it's a bullpup, eh....what type of magazine and what capacity?

JackDRipper
August 13, 2004, 02:07 AM
I picked up a black G22 yesterday and shot 240 rounds of 4 different brands of ammo. The mag release location is somewhat unusual and my natural instinct was to put the magazine in the grip not where it actually goes, not used to the bullpup design, I guess. Trigger seemed good, I was shooting real fast and had good groups. I shoot better with a red dot than iron sights and will put one on this soon. Had 1 failure of 2nd round in a mag to feed, I think I didn't get the round seated properly to the back in the mag for the failure.
Not sure how a sling will attach to the G22, there are two small metal front and back holes so I assume they are for the sling attachment. The instruction manual (which is small and brief) states that right to left hand conversion can only be done by a gunsmith. Haven't dissassembled it yet so I don't if the conversion can be done by the average owner or not. The manual also warns not to shoot a right hand version on the left and vice versa, looks like the charging handle will smack you in the mouth if you shoot it from the wrong side.
Nice plastic hard case comes with the G22, my Beretta Storm will also fit in it, not at the same time of course. Called about extra magazines (10 rounders) today to Walther or S&W or whoever and they don't have any yet. They could be in soon, didn't ask about the other accessories.
My bottom (forearm)weaver rail seems to be slightly wider than the top and front rail and two different vertical grips I tried wouldn't slide on the rail, not sure if this is the norm or just a problem with my particular G22.
This seems to be a nice little compact 22 plinker, I enjoyed my first shooting session with the G22.
JR

JackDRipper
August 13, 2004, 01:48 PM
Called Walther America today to find out about the sling attachment and the guy who answered the phone didn't know anything about it. He had never seen or touched a G22. He also said they don't have any there to even look at. As I was speaking with him I noticed in the Walther catalog a G22 sling swivel set is listed, too bad there's no picture. I was transferred to another guy who might know something about the G22, but he was out of the office until next week. Don't think I'm going to strip down my G22 until they get replacement parts in country in case I lose something.
JR

45R
August 16, 2004, 12:50 PM
I had a chance to shoot the G22 yesturday with the broomhandle foregrip! 2 words FUN FUN!!!!

That rifle was a hoot to shoot, the only compaint that I had was that I had to leave early! Thanks Sactown!

Sactown
August 16, 2004, 08:04 PM
I'm going to have to retract my statements about Walther not including a butt spacer and screws. They were buried under the foam inside the case. I used the smaler spacer and it fits just right. Only had problems in the first couple of rounds. Ran 500rnds of Win Dynapoint through it. Offhand I was able to keep the rounds within a 2" Shoot N C using the 2MOA dot on my Ultradot 4. I think with a scope and a bench it would be able to do much better better. I was mainly shooting to break it in. It's super fun to shoot.

45R
August 16, 2004, 08:08 PM
The small "flame" coming out when the bolt opened was pretty spectacular :)

JackDRipper
August 17, 2004, 12:15 AM
Talked to S&W today about the G22. Said there are less than 1000 G22's in the US now. The G22 was released in Europe before its US release. They have a few springs and parts for the G22 along with some of the G22 lasers. I'm not sure how useful the laser would be especially outdoors.
Shot 320 rounds through my G22 today, had 2 fail to fires with Blazer and Amer. Eagle ammo. No failures with the other 11 brands and 555 rounds of ammo I've run through the rifle today and last week. Wish I could load the G22 magazines as fast as I empty them
JR

Mutio
January 28, 2007, 01:10 PM
I picked up a G22 today, they only had the righties but assured me the right to left conversion was not only easy but fully documented in the instructon manual. It is not. I've managed to break it down and flip the plates with no problem. But I don't quite know how to remove the thin piece on the right side of the bolt. Anyone done this before?

MartinBrody
January 28, 2007, 03:12 PM
I bought one earlier this year. It is just too much fun. Initially I sent it back for a FTF problem. They said it was a tight chamber. It hasn't failed once since.

The trigger is bad, it may be overpriced and only have 10 rounds mags, but if you ever hold one you will know the appeal. They just feel so good and are very fun to shoot with a red dot and even do pretty good with a 4X scope.

Medusa
January 28, 2007, 05:21 PM
Swing swivels are there. I bought one set for mine, see the pic. This is basicly a 2 piece assembly, swivel to one side of the hole and attached by hex-screw from the other side. When tightened up the swivel does rotate, but doesn't move along the axis. They do offer the sling too, but it's not exactly my taste (not with carbine hooks). And bipod to the laser rail.

Now I see that in European market the G22 is offered in 4 colours (black, olive drab, carbon and desert) and 2 barrel lengths (regular 20' and longer 24')

Trigger job is mostly made by replacing the trigger bar. Adding width to the middle makes it less flexible, thus crispying it up. By making it longer the trigger travel gets better. One guy here made the bar 1 or 2 mm thicker (can't recall exactly) and 3 mm longer, said it improved the thing quite much. Also disabling that unnessesary mag safety should clear things up a little.

To make the thing left-handed you'd need to swap the extractor (extractor claw, spring and mounting pin) to the other side, whole receiver and bolt is ambi. The metal/plastic parts should be reversible, I have my doubts on the metal plate, though. Maybe it's safer to just buy the left-hand bolt and that metal plate?

TX_Shooter
January 29, 2007, 01:49 AM
G22 owners, how accurate are they? What distance do you shoot at?

Shipwreck
January 29, 2007, 11:33 AM
Congrats. I have heard good things about them.

Medusa
February 5, 2007, 11:16 AM
G22 owners, how accurate are they? What distance do you shoot at?
Got to shoot one in with optics (4x32, Walther's own with mildot reticle).

Through falling snow and light crosswind (a bit gusty), gun's and outside temp slightly below 0 C, using cheap S&B ammo, HP HV, running at 390 m/s:

at 150 m (170 yd) it made approx 4 inch groups;
at 50 m (56 yd) it put the bullets side by side, making groups of half inch size.

I'd say it's pretty good gun, and accurate.

bwhite39
April 10, 2007, 11:11 PM
http://images6.theimagehosting.com/Walther G22 and P99.th.JPG (http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Walther G22 and P99.JPG)

just got mine today. replaced walther scope with a red dot, which I mounted forward so I can still slide rear sight to use through scope without removing it. have not shot it yet but i am a walther fan. i also have a .40 P99 which i love.

perdurabo93
April 13, 2007, 03:57 PM
My girlfriend just ordered a lefty one (she's a southpaw/left eye dominant) this week and it should hopefully be in this weekend. I plan on buying several types of ammo to test which one this rifle likes, but I am worried that the G22 will be as picky about ammo as the Walther P22 and I'll be stuck buying high priced "match" ammo like CCI Mini Mags and we wont be able to shoot the <$10/550rd bulk pack Federal or Remington .22lr ammo you can get at Wal-Mart or Academy.

I've also heard that the later generations of G22's are less picky about ammo that the first ones that were sold in the US. Any truth to this?

Can anyone who owns these tell me SPECIFICALLY which brands of ammo worked and which didn't? I'd especially like to know whether cheap bulk pack Federal or Remington ammo will work.

Also, has anyone seen these P22/G22 aftermarket magazine followers that add three more rounds to the 10rd mag?

http://www.magazineparts.com/

They claim that you get 13 rounds out of a mag with these installed, but they disable the BHO in doing do. Is it worth it? Do they actually work?

General Geoff
April 13, 2007, 04:00 PM
My G22 chews through Federal bulk packs just fine. It's all I've really used in it and my P22 (which has no problems digesting it either).

RecoilRob
April 13, 2007, 11:52 PM
My rifle has fed and fired everything I have stuck in it. Including PMC Target, Thunderbolt, Wildcats and different CCI rounds. Not sensitive at all and cycles well even with the standard velocity target ammo.

The 13 round followers looked inviting at first....until I looked into them a bit. Biggest problem for me is the loss of the button...which I call the 'loading button'. Tried loading several mags without depressing the follower with the button and found it much more time consuming and difficult than the extra 3 rounds were worth.

Depressing the button and dropping in the cartridges is so easy I don't miss the few extras. Just pick up a few more mags and shoot away!

bwhite39
April 22, 2007, 09:18 PM
here is a pic of mine a little dressed up.

DirtyFrog1960
April 29, 2007, 05:16 PM
I like my G22 a lot, but it is not perfect. I have been very pleased with the accuracy out to 50 yards (<2 inches), but the groups spread out a lot at 100 yards. On the other hand, firing from a bipod I can put 40 rounds in an 8" circle at 75 yards very quickly, which is a great deal of fun for about $1 in ammo cost.

Most of my competitive shooting is metal silhouettes, so I am mostly shooting CCI mini-mag (36 gr), which has an incredibly flat trajectory for the four distances that our rifle club uses for silhouette matches (25/50/75/100 yards). This ammo gives me more failures to extract than I like -- about 1 out of 20 rounds -- but it is worth it to not have to worry so much about estimating holdover as I switch distances.

I also shoot CCI Green label, CCI Stinger, Federal Match, and some miscellaneous stuff. The rifle seems happy enough with all of them, though some brands seem to have a lot of primer failures (especially the cheaper Federal stuff). About 1/3 of the time these will fire if you rotate them 90 degrees in the chamber. (I eject them and let them sit for several minutes before trying this -- no sense getting a hangfire in the face....)

I do not like the trigger at all. I am not comfortable with the dual-stage approach -- it goes against my safety training to pull up the slack on the trigger and then wait to fire. I am much more comfortable keeping my finger off the trigger entirely and then having a single-stage pull when I am on target. Several folks have reported good luck with replacing the trigger bar with a stiffer and slightly longer version, and that is likely to be my next project.

The rifle is currently equipped with the Walther laser (that I cannot see at all when I am at the outdoor range) and with a 4x (32mm) fixed magnification Nikon scope. I hacked an M16 bipod to fit on the front rails, since I don't have a lot of interest in tactical flashlights.

Important things to consider:
(1) I keep a plastic clamp in my ammo box to grip both sides of the receiver as I remove it from the frame for "deep cleaning". The plastic clamp covers and restrains both of the microscopic springs that love to run away and hide.
(2) Opposite the ejection port is a metal plate that covers the (unused) ejection port on the other side. This metal plate contains a tongue that projects horizontally into the chamber and is used by the bolt as a guide. Unfortunately, this plate can fit in place with the tongue toward the front of the gun or toward the rear. In both cases it fits into the groove in the bolt -- at least until you fire the weapon :uhoh: If you have inadvertently installed the plate with the tongue toward the front of the rifle, the bolt will slip off the back of the tongue as it retracts after firing. Gravity will then cause the front of the bolt to drop and the springs will drive the front of the bolt into the top of the next round coming up from the magazine -- bending the cartridge quite impressively. Fortunately there was no permanent damage to the rifle, and the rifle club keeps "dud" containers conveniently located near the firing line. I don't recall exactly how many cartridges I destroyed before I figgered out what was happening, but it was probably a dollar's worth of my hard-earned income. :)

My last comment on the G22 is that I have had trouble finding an easily repeatable eye position that I can quickly acquire when shooting in various positions (prone, kneeling, sitting, standing). The relatively large vertical distance between the bore and the scope makes repeatability critical for accuracy. I get the best results when I take a lot of time to reproduce a particular sight picture, but the effort involved takes a lot of fun out of whole process. Maybe a piece of velcro on the stock could attach to my beard and hold my head in the right place?

Medusa
April 29, 2007, 05:33 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=55941&d=1175602403

I've played a bit with the rifle, as you can see - new optics mount makes shooting much easier, since the scope is in better place for me (natural eye relief), since making the pic I've also turned around the bipod attachment, since I have no use for flashlight on this rifle (for which mounting those 2 little rails are ment for on the bipod assembly)

ec-10
April 29, 2007, 06:12 PM
Opposite the ejection port is a metal plate that covers the (unused) ejection port on the other side. This metal plate contains a tongue that projects horizontally into the chamber and is used by the bolt as a guide. Unfortunately, this plate can fit in place with the tongue toward the front of the gun or toward the rear.

That is the ejector.


And yes it needs to be installed correctly for the rifle to function properly. Not that I would know anything about that. :banghead:

bwhite39
April 30, 2007, 09:05 PM
Medusa,

Who makes the scope mount on your rifle? I recently replaced my red dot with the walther scope that came with the rifle and would love to back it up with that mount.

Thanks,

Bobby

Medusa
May 1, 2007, 04:09 AM
Close up on the mount:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=55943&d=1175602455

It's made by Walther, name is EM 22 optics mount, available with either 1 inch or 30 mm rings (mine in 30 mm), if you need to order the Walther's article numbers are 2706610 for 1 inch, 2706628 for 30mm. Approx mnfg prize is 46€ (50-60 USD).

Walther's G22 page (http://www.carl-walther.info/dev2/index.php?company=walther&lang=DE&content=products&hid=2&uid=3&product=371) You can see more accessories under the Produktzubehör section.

Hoppy590
May 1, 2007, 05:05 AM
anybody who is having dificulty in getting parts information from walther USA, i suggest you call the S&W shooting sports center in springfield (413) 846-6400
these guys are salesmen, shooters, company representatives, instructors, and RO's all rolled into one. im not saying they are going to know exactly what you need to know but they are probibly much better to deal with than some one who just sits at a computor.

Birkke
June 14, 2007, 03:40 PM
I was cleaning my G22 for the first time the other day, and even though I read the instructions, I still managed to make the bolt catch leaver spring fall out. :banghead: Now I can't figure out how to get it back into place.

Does any one know how the spring should be put into place? I would greatly appreciate any advice I could get.

Medusa
June 14, 2007, 06:54 PM
You just have to try and find the way. Most important is that the spong tension would hold the bolt catch down. I sticked one end through the hole in the receiver and held it with the finger from the other side and then threw on the catch. Just try and get the best way for you. Yeah it's annoying, I've already made a few replacements for that (even used a spring from floppy disk).

Birkke
June 15, 2007, 09:57 AM
Thank you for your reply Medusa.

After a couple of hours of fideling with the spring, and at the point of dispair, I finally figured out how to put it back into place :o. The next time I'll be more carefull.

Cheers

rich0372
August 30, 2007, 10:47 PM
I played with one of these in the gun store today I thought it was pretty cool it had a scope and a laser. It acually felt really good holding it. They were selling it for $499.

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