Any Pro gun folks turned anti?


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2dogs
February 17, 2003, 11:36 AM
I've heard many a tale of anti gunners turned pro gun (myself included- with all of the obnoxious zeal of a reformed smoker:D ).

Has anyone ever known someone who was pro gun to go the other way? Seems antis are born that way, and all it takes to swing them is education and an increased ability to reason- for someone pro gun to go anti, he'd just plain have to get dumber.




I'm snowed in on the East Coast- and BOOOOORED!:rolleyes:

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Betty
February 17, 2003, 11:41 AM
I've had an email discussion or two with "former gun owners" who turned anti after "seeing the light." Unfortunately, "gun owner" doesn't automatically mean being being pro-gun rights. :rolleyes:

I told Oleg he has permission to put me out of my misery should I ever get bonked on the head, suffer amnesia, and turn into an anti.

2dogs
February 17, 2003, 11:44 AM
"former gun owners" who turned anti after "seeing the light."

Do they sell their guns cheap?:D

Chris Rhines
February 17, 2003, 12:32 PM
I can see the type of apolitical, 'incidental' gun owner drifting into anti-ville. But an active, political pro-rights person turning into an anti? I've never heard of such a thing.

Interesting that conversions tend to happen mostly in one direction. I wonder why that is?

- Chris

chaim
February 17, 2003, 12:42 PM
My dad is under the heading of "former gun owner, and former hunter" who turned as anti as is possible.

I don't know them but the Bradys, you know Sarah Brady, were apparently a pro-gun family before the assassination attempt on Pres. Reagan that left James Brady brain damaged. Heck, didn't James Brady have a nice collection of Class III weapons?

CZ-75
February 17, 2003, 02:10 PM
Why Tom Diaz of the VPC, of course. :rolleyes:

2nd Amendment
February 17, 2003, 02:23 PM
No pro-Rights individual will turn anti any more than the extremists will ever see common sense. One is based on reality and the other fantasy but the loyalty is the same. When one claims to have gone over to the Dark Side you can bet he was never more than an "owner" who happened to have something laying around and, maybe, went hunting occasionally. He had no clue about the debate or interest in freedom as an "owner" and obviously still doesn't as an extremist.

Elmer Snerd
February 17, 2003, 06:05 PM
Al Gore (http://goretruth.tripod.com/GoreSite/id10.html)

Al Gore (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2000/02/07/gun.html)

AL GORE (http://www.a4ce.org/archives/AlGore.htm)

Zander
February 17, 2003, 06:22 PM
I don't know them but the Bradys, you know Sarah Brady, were apparently a pro-gun family before the assassination attempt on Pres. Reagan that left James Brady brain damaged.Well, I don't know about James, but Sarah's fascination with gun control efforts has been with her almost as long as her cigarette habit.

For decades now, her main motivation has been to collect her fat salaries from anti-2nd Amendment groups. She'll keep pushing poor ol' brain-damaged James around in his wheelchair until he dies...or she does.

What a despicable excuse for a human being she is...

geekWithA.45
February 17, 2003, 08:20 PM
and some people don't find that out till afterwards....


For yourself, you can take guns or leave them, but you cross into darkness when you try to take them from me.

Walosi
February 17, 2003, 08:31 PM
I once knew a kid who worked ina local gun shop - intelligent, knowledgeable and solid, to all appearances. He became engaged to a girl from Austin Peay College over in Tennessee, and quit his job. Said she had asked him how he could ever live with himself if he found that a gun he had sold had killed a person. The guys in the 101st refer to her type as "Austin Peay Princesses".

One he had sold HAD killed someone, and saved another in so doing. When I told him the war story, he flinched, but I guess he had too much invested in the ring. I've always wondered how the marriage worked out :confused:

ahadams
February 17, 2003, 08:35 PM
Don't ask...don't tell...:D

Walosi
February 17, 2003, 08:48 PM
Arlin, there is a term in common usage throughout south (and Mo., I know for sure :)) that includes the word "whupped". It ain't common in polite circles, but everyone understands it, and I think it was his downfall....just never found out if he recovered :rolleyes:

Pawcatch
February 17, 2003, 10:28 PM
How about James Brolin?

Jim March
February 17, 2003, 10:33 PM
I met one once.

Last year, a Contra Costa sheriff's deputy was running against sheriff Warren Rupf for the office of sheriff. Deputy Scott Jacobs had been planning this for a while; he joined the force for this very reason in fact, six years prior. He has a law degree, but in California you can't run for sheriff until you've been a full-tilt cop for two years minimum. I guess he originally planned on running in '98 but didn't have the resources, so he waited another four years.

Anyways. Here it is 2002, and I *know* for a fact Rupf isn't just anti-gun (and issued less than 200 permits in a county of almost a million people), he's corrupt...there's WAY too much cross-correlation going on between Rupf's permitholders and his campaign contributors.

On the other hand, I happened to meet a guy who'd done a few months in the county jail, and was talking politics with the guy. I mentioned Steve Jacobs as the guy who's running against Rupf. The ex-jailee blanched, and described Jacobs as a "real hard-[rump]".

Hrmmmm.

So I call up Jacobsen and talk to him for over an hour...naturally, he's curious about my research and in turn, I wanna know if I can back this guy.

According to him, when he first joined the force he knew about Lott's research and was wildly keen on shall-issue CCW. But six years on the force, first in the jails and then on the streets, had convinced him California wasn't ready for widespread legal self defense. Confused, I asked him "well what about all those other states where it's worked out fine?".

Nope. He hesitated a sec, and then said it's because California is "too diverse" (exact words).

:fire:

Great. Six years, first as a jailer and then as a deputy on the streets, had turned him into a racist. And his fear of legal self defense was tied STRAIGHT into the racism.

I was saddened, but not surprised. My brother used to be a process server in the SF Bay Area where this county is. The constant run-ins with "inner city thugs" of one sort or another was turning HIM into a racist...but he *knew* intellectually that was dumb, got out of that line of work and got his head clear.

Scott Jacobs wasn't that smart.

Oh, and he lost the race. Not that I gave a damn either way at that point.

:rolleyes:

LevelHead
February 17, 2003, 10:54 PM
My father used to collect guns before I was born (previous wife as well). Had a revolver in the nightstand unloaded.

Wife fooling around pointed gun at him. at the last second she turned it away from his head and pulled the trigger. He heard the bullet whiz by. Seems one of the children (this is long before me remember) had loaded it.

He sold every gun he had.

His reckless disregard for safety and his obvious stupidity was NOT lost on him. He sold all his guns, but never changed his views.

When I grew up many years (and one wife) later, I was taught proper gun safety. We had BB guns but that's it - and let me tell you I respected the Hell out of them - and him.

I've heard loads of stories about people having experiences like this and turning against guns. I guess I'm happy to say that a smart man made a stupid mistake and got a little smarter because of it. He knew the guns weren't to blame. He was.

CZ-75
February 17, 2003, 11:29 PM
I've got another.


Bill Klinton. Former NRA member.

Autolite
February 17, 2003, 11:41 PM
that politicians should count in this survey. Being 'two-faced' is kind of a job prerequisite ...

illuminatus99
February 18, 2003, 01:36 AM
haven't seen any like that but I've met quite a few ex-military guys who are antis

twoblink
February 18, 2003, 01:50 AM
Thank God I have good enough friends that are humane enough to "put me out" if I ever turn anti... I expect it to be a favor, nay... a DUTY for those who actually claim they care about me to shoot me if I turned anti..

I do have quite a few friends that use to be gun nuts. Why, the owner of the local gunstore, he told me he owned about 60+ handguns, and then he sold all except one... he told me he turned anti-handgun..

And now he only owns an HKP7... Oh, and he took the money he got from selling all his handguns, and now he's got 200+ rifles :D

So there are good anti's and bad anti's. I know 1911'ers that were anti glock, that ended up selling all their 1911's and went all glocks. So it depends..

I also had a buddy that was pro gun, then started dating, then turned anti, and now they broke up, he's pro gun again..

It seems (politicians aside) most men who turn anti are due to women they date..

4thHorseman
February 18, 2003, 01:52 AM
"Luke, come over to the Dark Side."

jsalcedo
February 18, 2003, 01:57 AM
I know a Vietnam vet retired first Sergeant that
said he would never touch a gun again.

I was kind of confused by his stance on guns.
I later learned he was a recipient of the Distinguished service cross and 3 purple hearts.

So I figure he is entitled to his opinion.

WonderNine
February 18, 2003, 03:27 AM
I once knew a kid who worked ina local gun shop - intelligent, knowledgeable and solid, to all appearances. He became engaged to a girl from Austin Peay College over in Tennessee, and quit his job. Said she had asked him how he could ever live with himself if he found that a gun he had sold had killed a person. The guys in the 101st refer to her type as "Austin Peay Princesses".

One he had sold HAD killed someone, and saved another in so doing. When I told him the war story, he flinched, but I guess he had too much invested in the ring. I've always wondered how the marriage worked out

My father sold a really fast car to a guy that rolled it and killed himself over 30 years ago.

I left a sharp rock laying on the street the other day and for all I know somebody picked it up and killed somebody else with it.

If this is true I feel it is at least half my fault.

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