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Jim March
August 2, 2004, 03:15 AM
Folks,

The California ammo registration bill may land on Gov. Schwarzenegger's desk soon.

The question is, are ANY states in the US currently forcing gun shops to record ammo sales?

WHAT I NEED: people to post in this forum, with their actual first and last name, what state they're in, when they last bought ammo, and whether or not they were able to do so anonymously. If you've also bought ammo in another state anonymously at least fairly recently, mention that too.

Don't tell me about mailorder, I need to know what the situation is AT your local gun shop.

IF California's system will be the only one in the nation, we need to know that.

We do NOT need to record situations where you're a "legal registered ammo buyer" such as the FOID cards of Illinois, Mass, etc. That's a different kind of law. We need info on records of every ammo purchase made, kept at local gun dealers/etc and made available to law enforcement.

We've got 24 hours before the policy analysis docs are finished by the Gov's office.

Californians need not post, unless they've bought ammo anonymously IN another state (don't worry about mailorder).

If you're forced to record purchases, is it due to a local ordinance or state law?

THANKS!

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LoneStranger
August 2, 2004, 03:25 AM
I have purchased ammo in the state of Kansas, residence, and in the state of Missouri in the last several months.

In Kansas the purchases were at a gun shop, Wal-Mart, and Gunshows. Try date 6/19/04

In Missouri the purchases were at gunshows.

No ID except for Check to pay for in either state.

Richard N. Dyer
Kansas

Hope this is what you need.

AF_INT1N0
August 2, 2004, 03:38 AM
I purchace 140 rds of mixed 40 cal when I bought my new Kahr K-40 Yesterday. July 31 04 Nothing recorded No ID.
last time before that was in May at Walmart.

Michael Wilson

Nebraska

Whats the deal:confused: :confused:

Jim March
August 2, 2004, 03:39 AM
Cool.

I have a report in PM on New York state. NYC may be different but we don't need to worry about that.

People can PM me if they won't post here.

Keep it going!

Particularly interested in: Hawaii, New Jersey, other really hardcore "joke zones".

schizrade
August 2, 2004, 03:40 AM
Bought ammo in Reno 3 times in July and they only asked for ID for age verification at 2 gun stores.
Attempted to buy ammo in Walmart in Reno, NV and was informed that I needed to fill out paperwork/card or something. I said forget it. Some guy bought 12 boxes of 12ga. shotgun shells and filled out all of the paperwork. When I objected the guy behind the counter said ,"Well, if you're not a criminal why worry?" Walmart is evil.

Gray Peterson
August 2, 2004, 03:44 AM
Washington State has no ammo purchase registration requirement. You might want to post this on Packing.org, GlockTalk, and a bunch of other stoo.

gewehr44
August 2, 2004, 03:46 AM
Purchased ammo at Walmart in CT. Only need to show ID for pistol ammo to show that you're over 21. No information recorded.

Daemon688
August 2, 2004, 03:57 AM
Bought rifle/shotgun ammo at galyans and gander mountain with no questions asked.

I've bought thousands of rounds over the internet pistol/rifle/shotgun with nothing more than my credit card.

By the way I'm only 18.

Reno
August 2, 2004, 04:25 AM
No ammo registration bullhockey in Colorado.

sm
August 2, 2004, 04:44 AM
PM sent :D

Jim March
August 2, 2004, 04:46 AM
Arkansas just checked in by PM, nothing there.

I was wondering about the Southern state. A few used to do restrictive gun laws (Jim Crow era stuff) and sometimes "dumb remnants" of that still crop up. North Carolina I think it is still has discretionary handgun purchase rules that are now basically rubber-stamped. Alabama still has "discretionary on paper" CCW (handled shall-issue with rare exceptions). So there could be ammo registration lurking down there somewhere...

Jim March
August 2, 2004, 05:00 AM
Florida checked in.

NO state-wide ammo registration systems found so far.

Keep it coming!

gunsmith
August 2, 2004, 05:19 AM
without any problems.
If you need my name PM me.

Any news on that question I PM'd you about last week?

Glacius_the_Invincible
August 2, 2004, 05:33 AM
Bought .22 and .45 in Indiana last week. Wal-Mart No questions asked. Paid with credit card. Put it in the cart and headed for the grocery aisle.

Jackson Clark,

Indiana

seed
August 2, 2004, 05:40 AM
Jim...I live in the Kali Bay Area like you. Bought some ammo to shoot in Vegas a while back at the Gun Store on Tropicana and another place (I can't remember the name) on the edge of Vegas (where I shot my first fully-auto machine-gun!). None of that BS you were talking about. I paid, I shot, I went home (my friend's aparment where I was staying, actually).

seed.

Clean97GTI
August 2, 2004, 06:13 AM
Name: ______ _______
State: Nevada

Last time I purchased ammunition was at a gun show. Bought 50 rounds of .40S&W Gold Dots. No recorded ID.

Time before that was at Wal Mart when I purchased several hundred rounds of various handgun calibers. I was carded but only because I paid with a credit card and to make sure I met Wal-Mart policy of being 21 to purchase handgun ammo.

I have also purchased ammunition in the state of Florida 2 years ago. No ID recorded.

All purchases have been anonymous...and should stay that way.

Brett Bellmore
August 2, 2004, 06:54 AM
Not here in Michigan, certainly. I think there might be some age restrictions, but it's been a looong time since anybody carded me...

Jim March
August 2, 2004, 06:55 AM
Maryland and Texas check out by PM.

Folks, if a state is already covered no need for a repeat. Not that repeats will hurt.

Need New Jersey/Hawaii/Rhode Island and other Uberliberal zone info.

Thanks!

cpileri
August 2, 2004, 06:58 AM
pm sent

boing
August 2, 2004, 07:02 AM
Not in North Carolina.

Puchased handgun ammo yesterday in a gunshop, and last week at Walmart. No ID requested (I'm obviously of age).

Kenneth Keating

MagKnightX
August 2, 2004, 07:08 AM
08/01/04, purchased by Christopher Upton (father, not me), 64 rds surplus .30-06, 100 rds .44 spl. No ID necessary, no registration, no records.

Gray Peterson
August 2, 2004, 07:20 AM
Cursory check of Rhode Island Weapons law suggests no ammo registration. Also, I bought ammo in Oregon when I was a resident. No ID Recording, only ID check due to it being handgun ammunition.

geekWithA.45
August 2, 2004, 07:28 AM
NJ: Handgun ammo is recorded in a permanent book, FID required. All as per state law.

PA: No ID necessary.

Name available via PM.

lawson4
August 2, 2004, 08:20 AM
I live in SC.
I bought pistol ammo last week without need to give my name, etc.
I bought rifle ammo about 6 months ago. Same drill: no name, address, etc.
I am WAY over 21, so there was no question of age.


Rick Miller
SC

Jim March
August 2, 2004, 08:22 AM
MagKnightX: what state are you in?

---

Geekwitha45: thank you. As this will be printed out, I'm going to re-phrase what you said, because there's still an important difference between NJ and the Calif proposal:

New Jersey requires you to get a one-time "gun and ammo owner/buyer registry card". This card takes a background check to get, and has a card number.

When you buy ammo in NJ, the store records what you bought and your card number.

The net amount of recordkeeping the NJ gun dealer does is far less than the California proposal (SB1152).

---

We have a report from Wisconsin, no problems. So far only New Jersey is trouble.

MagKnightX
August 2, 2004, 08:28 AM
Virginia. Fairfax county.

Wiley
August 2, 2004, 08:39 AM
I've bought everything from shotgun to rifle to handgun ammo. Shot, slugs, FMJ, hollow point, etc.

Bought, onsite, in person, from gunstores to K-Mart to a manufacturer (Georgia Arms). 50 rounds at a time to 1000.

No record was ever made.

John Wiley
Georgia

FPrice
August 2, 2004, 08:42 AM
By Commonwealth law you need either an FID (Firearms Identification Card) for long gun ammo or an LTC (License to Carry Firearms) for handgun ammo.

BUT purchases are NOT recorded.

RooK
August 2, 2004, 08:58 AM
Kentucky: Just need to prove your age, 18 for rifle/shotgun, 21 for handgun. That's it.

MBG
August 2, 2004, 09:46 AM
In Virginia, I made a bulk purchase on Saturday 7/31/04, for handgun ammo. Cash and carry, did not have to show my ID or give my name.

Also in Virginia, I purchased 2 boxes of 45 LC from a store front retailer about two months ago. Showed my ID, because I paid via credit card.

This spring, in Pennsylvania as a Virginia resident, I purchased several boxes of 45 APC at a retail gun store. No ID was needed.

Marty

KMKeller
August 2, 2004, 10:03 AM
I purchased 500 rounds of .45 Saturday morning and no information was taken.

I typically purchase 500 rounds of practice 9mm, and 500 rounds of practice .45 every other month. Add to that 2000 rounds each of 9mm match and .45 match every season. Season starts in March and ends in September. I also purchase roughly 250 rounds of 12 Gauge reduced recoil rifled slugs and 300 rounds of .223 ever season as well. Never once has any information been taken other than that necessary to complete the transaction, namely, my credit card number. No personal info is ever taken or even requested.

Kirk M. Keller
North Carolina

Jeff
August 2, 2004, 10:15 AM
I purchased handgun ammo, and my buddy purchased handgun ammo, in the state of Vermont. There has never been any sort of identification recorded for the purchase of any type of ammo in the state of Vermont.

In the Green Mountain State we don't even need to have a permit for concealed carry; Vermont has a lower murder than any other state in the country. And most of those murders are usually stabbings or beatings.

Tamara
August 2, 2004, 10:55 AM
There is no record made or kept of ammunition purchases in Georgia or Tennessee.

Thrash1982
August 2, 2004, 10:56 AM
Bought a brick of .22LR yesterday (8-1-04) at the local wally world. I have never had to present ID for any other reason than to prove my age. No information about me has ever been recorded for buying ammo.

Edited to add: I live in Indianapolis, IN

Preacherman
August 2, 2004, 11:05 AM
Have bought handgun, rifle and shotgun ammo in my home state (Louisiana) and in Texas, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, New Hampshire and Maine. Never had to register, show ID, be "logged", etc.

Most recent purchase was last week on Friday - some .22LR at Wal-Mart. Paid cash and walked away smiling. No registration.

Gunsnrovers
August 2, 2004, 11:05 AM
I travel to Arizona 3~6 times a year to visit family. I always bring a few firearms and always buy my ammo out there (I love the Ben Avery range). I have never been asked to show identification to purchase ammunition.

Jeff Bieler
Los Angeles, CA

Kharn
August 2, 2004, 11:09 AM
I boughtover 500 rounds of pistol ammunition and 120 rounds of rifle ammunition in Bel Air, Maryland, during the month of July, the clerk only needed to see my ID to make sure I was over 21 for the pistol ammo.

Kharn

Daedalus
August 2, 2004, 11:10 AM
Robert Schulte
Friday, July 30th
80 Rds of .308
Paid Cash, Anonymous
Gainesville, FL

Highland Ranger
August 2, 2004, 11:14 AM
Handgun ammo is recorded in a book - FID (NJ Firearms ID card) required to purchase ammo.

I buy mostly by mail order because watching them record my name address and telephone number in a book really annoys me.

Let me know if you need more info.

Sistema1927
August 2, 2004, 11:18 AM
I have purchased ammo anonymously in both Arizona and New Mexico in the past 30 days.

Coronach
August 2, 2004, 11:22 AM
Ohio and Pennsylvania, both negative.

Mike

twoblink
August 2, 2004, 11:23 AM
LA City required it before, I'm not sure about now.. That's a City policy only.. But being LA is in the PRK, and it's the biggest city in the PRK, it might be such that Ahnold would take note of that...

BB93YJ
August 2, 2004, 11:55 AM
I live in Texarkana, Texas. If you look at a map you will see that I can be in Arkansas in five minutes, Louisana or Oklahoma in about thirty. I can and have bought ammunition for handgun or rifle in each of these 4 states with only the correct amount of money as a requirement.

T. M. Mistrot
Texarkana, Texas

SLCDave
August 2, 2004, 11:58 AM
Salt Lake City, Utah

Nothing but money required to purchase ammunition.

PM for personal info if you need it.

Brian Williams
August 2, 2004, 11:58 AM
Brian Williams
any amount of either rifle or pistol ammo
In PA
totally anonymously

BB62
August 2, 2004, 12:06 PM
Jim,

As PM'ed: No ID, except to verify age, needed in Ohio, Kentucky or Indiana.

I have bought both handgun and shotgun ammo in each state (fairly recently) - nothing recorded, nothing requested.


BB62

auschip
August 2, 2004, 12:16 PM
Purchased both Handgun and Rifle ammunition in Texas, Nevada, & Utah. All anonymous, and no ID recorded or required.

Chip Clark

BB62
August 2, 2004, 12:20 PM
JIM,

Just to let you know, although you are a member over on GlockTalk, I started a thread to get more info for you from non-THR members.

Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/67hzw

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=271911


BB62

Smoke
August 2, 2004, 12:40 PM
I purchase all types of ammo; rifle, pistol, shotgun form stores and there is no request for any I.D. whatsoever. (other than age verification)

Roger W. Parks
Clifton, Texas


Smoke

Ryder
August 2, 2004, 01:18 PM
IF California's system will be the only one in the nation, we need to know that

How can this possibly matter? That's equivalent to prodding an ostrich into removing it's head from the sand.

California continues to pride itself on being an infectious agent for socialism to the rest of the country.

Has there been a political realization of just how bad the rest of the country perceives this? Fed up with being ostracized?

Not trying to crap on your thread. I'm trully curious and my state has already been spoken for. I have only ever been asked for a drivers license once about 20-25 years ago (K-Mart?). No sale and I began reloading.

hso
August 2, 2004, 01:25 PM
Mike Crenshaw
Knoxville, Tennessee

There are no ID requirements for the purchase of rifle, shotgun, or handgun ammunition here is Tennessee. I've purchsed all 3 in the past month and did not have to present any ID nor was there any record made of my ID.

repsychler
August 2, 2004, 01:41 PM
Christopher Swanson
Minnesota

No records kept or ID required to buy ammo here. I've puchased recently from gun shows, wal mart, the range, etc, no BS here.

outfieldjack
August 2, 2004, 01:41 PM
No checks at all! Pistol, rifle, shotgun..... I have purchased at WalMart, Dicks Sporting Goods, and many gun stores.

Jack Porter

MaceWindu
August 2, 2004, 01:59 PM
No ID required yet.....


Troy Garr
San Jose, CA

Jim March
August 2, 2004, 02:22 PM
Los Angeles city is the one PUSHING for this bill statewide, so I know the situation down there well. Am expecting the results of a Public Records Act Request soon for details (as in, how many busts are they really making?).

The Governor's office staff are the ones asking how common something like this is.

By PM, we have positive reports (no ammo registration) on:

Alabama

Ohio

Kentucky

Indiana

Conn.

Kentucky

Wisconsin

Pennsylvania

Plus confirmation on New Jersey, how they record "registered gun owner card numbers" but not high volumes of paper like the Calif proposal.

Keep it coming but no need for repeats. Particularly curious about Hawaii and Rhose Island...

Lennyjoe
August 2, 2004, 02:33 PM
Lenny Ambrosio
Ammo purchase in Arizona last month.
1,000 rounds of ammo in Texas in June

Neither of the states required ID or anything else but the funds to pay for it.

Shane333
August 2, 2004, 02:36 PM
Bought ammo from Walmart last Saturday (7/31/04) in Utah. The salesperson only had to check my ID to verify that I was over 21. No other records were kept except for date of birth.

PM me if you need more.

rhedley
August 2, 2004, 02:44 PM
RJ Hedley
Florida

Do not have to sign for ammo at Gun Shops or Gun Shows

Give 'em Hell, Jim

Molon Labe
August 2, 2004, 02:55 PM
I've never had to show an ID at a gun show. But I've purchased quite a bit of ammo from www.aimsurplus.com, which is located in Middletown, Ohio, and they require a copy of a State issued Drivers License or State Identification to verify date of birth. Perhaps this is an internal policy? I don’t know.

More info:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/ammunition_requirements.html

Southern Ohio Gun (SOG), which is located in Lebanon, Ohio, requires you to submit an “Ammunition Statement” before processing an ammunition order. The statements includes an entry field for driver’s license number. Here it is:

http://www.southernohiogun.com/ammo_stmnt.html

Kinsman
August 2, 2004, 03:20 PM
Buy anything you want, ammo-wise.

Dbl0Kevin
August 2, 2004, 04:12 PM
Jim,

Common misconception in New Jersey law about the FID card for ammo purchases. This is NOT TRUE!!! You do not need an FID card to purchase rifle, shotgun, or handgun ammo. All that is needed is a photo identification such as a driver's license or military ID....your FID card CAN be used if you lack such a photo ID, but it is NOT required.

Also only ammo that is to be fired in a handgun is to be recorded. If someone is buying .357 magnums to be used in a lever action rifle then it is not required to be logged. A letter straight from the NJ State Police firearms unit tells dealers to strike up a conversation with a buyer and ask what kind of firearm he/she plans to use the ammo in if it can be fired in either rifle/pistol.

FMarlon
August 2, 2004, 04:16 PM
Frank Gorla
I live in Iowa.
Bought 300 rounds of 9mm 2 days ago. No paperwork, no ID.

Z_Infidel
August 2, 2004, 04:24 PM
Regarding Molon Labe's post above, I can confirm that Ohio retailers do not require registration for direct ammo sales.

sumpnz
August 2, 2004, 04:57 PM
I have purchased ammo anonomously at West of the Pecos, Jensons, Wal-Mart and Rincon-Concepts (well, I am on a first-name basis with the owner of R-C, but he certainly did not record the purchase), plus a couple gun shows at the Pima County Fairgrounds here in Tuscon.

Andrew Upson
Tucson, Arizona

Rimmer
August 2, 2004, 05:44 PM
Several places throughout Ohio.
Pick up ammo walk to counter pay with cash, out the door. No ID or questions. WalMart the same story... I am over 45 so age isn't a problem.

zastros
August 2, 2004, 05:48 PM
Bought it in gun shops in MO withiut any ID


Max Ayers
St. Louis, MO

Evil_Ed
August 2, 2004, 05:57 PM
PM Sent.

Zrex
August 2, 2004, 06:01 PM
Jiim -

I have made 3 ammo purchases in the past month locally:

.38 special at an Oshmans.
.223 at the WalMart.
9mm at local gunshop - Praco Pawn & gun.

None of them required ID and I paid in cash.

Kevin Wells
central TX

Let me know if you need any more info.

SB88LX
August 2, 2004, 06:10 PM
No ID hassle at all for ammo purchases here. (bought 7/29/04, 150 rds .45acp FMJ), paid in cash.


Justin Rucker
Frederick, maryland

Dead
August 2, 2004, 06:20 PM
Only thing I have ever needed to show to buy ammo has been some $US. I sure would like it if I could skip that part, and still get ammo :D

Harry Tuttle
August 2, 2004, 06:35 PM
i think Baltimore County MD has an ammo registration requirement

theres also this:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12236
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30535

Sec. 57-12. Sale of fixed ammunition.

_ _ _(a)_ _ _Legislative intent. The purpose of this section is to provide support to state and local law enforcement officials in their efforts against crime and violence by placing controls on the flow of dangerous ammunition, in addition to those provided by federal law, and to encourage compliance with the state police department's program of voluntary firearm registration. It is not the purpose of this section to place any undue or unnecessary restrictions or burdens on law-abiding citizens with respect to the acquisition, possession, or use of firearms appropriate to the purpose of hunting, trapshooting, target shooting, personal protection, or any other lawful activity, or to discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes. It is not the purpose of this section to create, nor does it permit the creation of, any separate system of county registration of firearms or ammunition, or the levying of any county fee in connection with any registration of firearms or ammunition. It is specifically not the intent of this section to serve as a revenue generating measure.

_ _ _(b)_ _ _Registration of ammunition dealers. Any ammunition dealer (as defined in 18 United States Code, section 921 et seq.) who conducts business in Montgomery County is required to register with the Montgomery County department of police by maintaining on file with that department, at all times, a valid, current copy of his federal ammunition dealer's license.

_ _ _(c)_ _ _Conditions for sale. No ammunition dealer may sell fixed ammunition to any other person, unless:

_ _ __ _ _(1)_ _ _The sale is made in person;

_ _ __ _ _(2)_ _ _The purchaser exhibits, at the time of sale, a valid registration certificate or, in the case of a nonresident, proof that the firearm is lawfully possessed in the jurisdiction where the purchaser resides;

_ _ __ _ _(3)_ _ _The fixed ammunition to be sold is of the same caliber or gauge as the firearm described in the registration certificate, or other proof in the case of a nonresident; and

_ _ __ _ _(4)_ _ _The purchaser signs a receipt for the ammunition which shall be maintained by the licensed dealer for a period of one (1) year from the date of sale.

_ _ _(d)_ _ _Exceptions. The provisions of this section shall not apply to the sale of fixed ammunition:

_ _ __ _ _(1)_ _ _Which is suitable for use only in rifles or shotguns generally available in commerce, or to the sale of component parts of these types of ammunition;

_ _ __ _ _(2)_ _ _To any person licensed to possess fixed ammunition under an act of Congress and the law of the jurisdiction where the person resides or conducts business; or

_ _ __ _ _(3)_ _ _To any law enforcement officer of federal, state, local or any other governmental entity, if the officer has in his possession a statement from the head of his agency stating that the fixed ammunition is to be used in the officer's official duties.

_ _ _(e)_ _ _Penalties. Any ammunition dealer who sells fixed ammunition in violation of the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a class C violation, pursuant to section 1-19 of the Montgomery County Code, punishable only by a civil penalty in the amount of fifteen dollars ($15.00).

_ _ _(f)_ _ _Exception for incorporated municipalities. This section shall not be effective in any incorporated municipality which by law has authority to enact a law on the same subject. If any such incorporated municipality adopts this section and requests the county to enforce the adopted provisions thereof within its corporate limits, the county may thereafter administer and enforce the same within the incorporated municipality. The county executive is authorized to enter into agreements with incorporated municipalities to enforce and administer the provisions so adopted and to collect the administrative costs of implementation from such municipalities. (1983 L.M.C., ch. 50,_§ 2.)_ _ _

_ _ _Editor’s note--The above section was held to be invalid by the Court of Appeals in Montgomery County, Maryland, et al. v. Atlantic Guns, Inc., et al., 302 Md. 540, 489 A.2d 1114 (1985)._ The above section is interpreted in Washington Suburban Sanitary Commission v. Elgin, 53 Md.App. 452, 454 A.2d 408 (1983).

seen this page?
http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/legislative.htm
Registration Repeal

The Mississippi Senate gave final approval to HB 764, an NRA-supported bill by Rep. Warner McBride (D-10) and Sen. Tommy Robertson (R-51). This bill repeals a long-standing state law requiring gun dealers to maintain a registry of all ammunition purchases (NRA-ILA Fax Alert, 3-8-02).

whitebear
August 2, 2004, 06:49 PM
I have purchased rifle, pistol and shotgun ammo in the states of Oklahoma and Ohio anonymously in the past two weeks.

Tony King
Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Kim
August 2, 2004, 07:01 PM
Kim in Arkansas no records on ammo. Wal-mart makes sure you are 21 to buy handgun ammo otherwise no questions. Other stores no questions except how many did you say you wanted? Yes ma'am we will carry them out for you.:D

Barbara
August 2, 2004, 08:25 PM
I have purchased ammunition in 3 states in the past 6 months: Michigan, as a resident, both rifle and handgun ammo; Tennessee, as a non-resident, I believe both handgun ammo and .22; and Ohio, hand gun ammunition. I was never asked for identification in any of the states.

geekWithA.45
August 2, 2004, 08:48 PM
Dbl0Kevin: The FID#, if known, is recorded in the book.

In my case, I was a member @ the gunshop/range, they had all my stuff on file. If you where a member, your purchases would go against your membership for a hefty discount. @ the end of the day, they'd run a report of members x handgun ammo, and transcribe it into the book. If they didn't know you, you'd be ID'd and recorded on the spot.

Jim March
August 2, 2004, 09:12 PM
Harry Tuttle: that is VERY interesting re: the Miss. repeal. Thank you. Just got a briefing on that into the Governor's office, it's being added to the analysis.

I'm getting a bunch of PMs, I may not be able to respond to all with a thank-you. Any non-duplicates will be spliced in here tonight though, along with the Glocktalk comments.

Haven't see Hawaii or some of the smaller East Coast liberalzones like RI. Also: what about Illinois?

Zach S
August 2, 2004, 10:02 PM
Dunno if youve got a response about NC, I didnt bother reading the other three pages, but I just purchased 250 rounds of blazer brass at the local Wal-Mart about two hours ago and only had my birthdate punched in when the guy rang it up. Pretty much the same thing at the range this weekend with about 150 rounds, but I didnt get carded since I'm a regular.

If you'd like my full name, LMK. I'd rather not clutter up your PM box if it isnt really needed.

CZ 75 BD
August 2, 2004, 10:08 PM
I purchased ammo in Alabama and in Florida, no identifiying information requested or recorded. I am an Alabama resident.

Dbl0Kevin
August 2, 2004, 10:30 PM
Dbl0Kevin: The FID#, if known, is recorded in the book.

In my case, I was a member @ the gunshop/range, they had all my stuff on file. If you where a member, your purchases would go against your membership for a hefty discount. @ the end of the day, they'd run a report of members x handgun ammo, and transcribe it into the book. If they didn't know you, you'd be ID'd and recorded on the spot.



I worked at a firearms dealer in NJ and sold ammo on many occasions. All we needed to record was a driver's license number. I have also bought ammo from MANY different dealers around the south jersey area and had done so many times before I actually got my FID card. No one ever requested anything other than a driver's license. The law mentions nothing about needing an FID to purchase ammo. This is a common misconception and completely false.

Ironbarr
August 2, 2004, 10:34 PM
Virginia has none but the age rules as already known.

I've bought .223/5.56, .45, 9x18Mak, 9x19, .22, .410 - no registration, et al. Bought at gun shop, Walmart, gun shows. Last week for the 9x19 and .410.

Andrew Barr
Virginia Beach VA
Ironbarr

Gray Peterson
August 2, 2004, 11:52 PM
Hawaii doesn't appear to require ammo ID registration.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/

Bob F.
August 3, 2004, 12:02 AM
Frequently buy ammo in home state of WV without ID or question. I'm obviously not a minor. This includes rifle, shotgun, and handgun ammo. likewise for neighboring state of Va. No ID required. Bought ammo components in NC last Spring without ID.
Robert J. Front
West Virginia

Ironbarr
August 3, 2004, 12:58 AM
§134-16 Restriction on possession, sale, gift, or delivery of electric guns.What is an electric gun??

Gray Peterson
August 3, 2004, 02:16 AM
I'm guessing tasers?

Jim March
August 3, 2004, 03:19 AM
Sigh. THR mailbox all cleaned out.

Here's the count from there...

States confirmed as having no registration systems:

Missouri

Colorado

Miss.

Tenn.

New Mexico

Michigan

Penn.

Louisiana (which was one I was worried about)

From Glocktalk:

WV

GA

WA State

VA

Still worried about: RI. I'll make some phone calls tomorrow.

musher
August 3, 2004, 03:25 AM
Alaska's free.

Well, not free, but you don't have to give id and ammo purchases aren't logged (the type of ammo doesn't matter)

Recently purchased 4 cases of shotgun shells at my local hardware store. Cash&Carry. No question asked (except if I needed help carrying them up the stairs)

good luck.

musher

Fly320s
August 3, 2004, 08:52 AM
Jim, my info:

Name: check your PM
Residence: TN
Purchased ammo at Wal-Mart, local gun stores within last 2 weeks.

Also have bought ammo in TX, OH, AZ, MI in person at various locations.

Never had to register/sign anything.

BTW, TX did require a name, address, etc to buy rimfire ammo years ago. That law has been abolished. I remember my Dad and I buying .22LR in the late 70's where the shop keeper required the info. My Dad informed him that the law was no longer in effect.

Hope it helps.

ID_shooting
August 3, 2004, 09:51 AM
Brian Griffiths

Boise, ID

No records here

BB62
August 3, 2004, 09:58 AM
HAWAII - as per my PM:

This was listed on the prior referenced website: http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/legislative.htm

Note that evidently it has been necessary **prior** to show registration for the firearm (read HANDGUN?) for which it is purchased. The proposed bill makes the showing necessary for rifle and shotgun ammo.

"Hawaii Bill

The State Senate passed bill SB 2170 that prohibits sale of ammunition unless the purchaser shows registration for the firearm for which the ammunition is to be purchased (NRA-ILA website, 3/17/04). This bill essentially enacts retroactive registration of rifles and shotguns. If you want ammunition for your guns, you must register them. As previously illustrated in En Garde, registration is a precursor to confiscation.

Typical of most gun control legislation, this bill primarily affects law-abiding citizens. New paperwork and legal burdens are placed on gun shops. State mandated firearms safety training programs will not be able to provide ammunition. Wives will not be able to buy ammunition for their husband’s firearms. Rural gun owners will be forced to take time-off from work, perhaps even travel to another island, to register their firearms. Meanwhile, the black market will continue to supply criminals with the meager amount of ammunition they consume.

Many years ago the federal government dropped its requirement that ammunition sales be recorded, because it was not an effective crime-prevention tool. But facts are easily ignored.

As of the end of March, the bill had passed to the House and was scheduled for hearings in two committees. For more information on SB 2170, go to http://nraila.org and search for an excellent article written by Max Cooper, Hawaii Rifle Association Secretary."


BB62

Harry Tuttle
August 3, 2004, 12:12 PM
MD code:
Article 27. Crimes and Punishments

(b) Exceptions.- Any county, municipal cor-poration, or special taxing district may regulatethe purchase, sale, transfer, ownership, posses-sion, and transportation of the weapons and am-munition listed in subsection (a) of this section: (1) With respect to minors; (2) With respect to these activities on or within100 yards of parks, churches, schools, publicbuildings, and other places of public assembly;howver, the teaching of firearms safety trainingor other educational or sporting use may not beprohibited; and (3) With respect to law enforcement personnelof the subdivision.


Annapolis MD Municipal CodeTitle 11. Public Peace, Morals And WelfareChapter 11.44. Weapons 11.44.030. Firearms and ammunition -Register of purchasers. Each person engagedin the business of selling or exchanging anyfirearms, except shotguns and air and cat rifles,or ammunition, shall keep a register of the nameand address of the person purchasing anyfirearms, cartridges or other ammunition, notingthe make, caliber and date of purchase. Theregister shall be open to the inspection of thepolice at all times.

Harve Curry
August 3, 2004, 12:42 PM
New Mexico and Arizona have no records keeping on ammo purchases.
Wal Mart did ask if the 22's I was buying were for a handgun or rifle, so I told the dude rifle, no ID just paid and left. There's age restrictions signs.

MAURICE
August 3, 2004, 12:44 PM
Robert D Hyatt-
Last purchase of ammo was at
Ozark Armory
712 N Thompson
Springdale, AR 72764
Only record of my buying ammo was a reciept.
Will be buying more this afternoon ;)

Jim March
August 3, 2004, 01:56 PM
BB62: THANK YOU.

I've got an "all clear" report for IL in EMail.

OK. The ONLY significantly liberal states not covered thus far are Rhode Island.

tc300mag1
August 3, 2004, 03:54 PM
Pm sent :)

Harry Tuttle
August 3, 2004, 04:03 PM
heres what i see in RI:

[Current through the 1999 Supplement] RHODE ISLAND R.I. GEN. LAWS


11-47-31. Sale, transfer or delivery of am-munition to minors. It shall be unlawful within this state for any person to sell, transfer, give, convey, or cause to be sold, transferred, given or conveyed any ammunition, including any priming charge of powder, propelling charge of powder, or any form of missile or projectile to be ejected from a firearm to any person under eigh-teen (18) years of age, except for the limited purposes set forth in ßß 11-47-33 and 11-47-34 and with the prior approval or consent of the par-ent or legal guardian of the minor. Every person violating this section shall be punished upon conviction by imprisonment for a term not to exceed ten (10) years. The prohibi-tions of this section shall not apply to any feder-ally and state licensed retail dealer who makes reasonable efforts to verify a purchaser's age and shall not apply to the sale of ammunition for an air rifle, air pistol, "blank gun" or "BB gun."

11-47-32. Possession of ammunition by minor. Except as provided in ß 11-47-33, it shall be unlawful within this state for any person un-der eighteen (18) years of age to possess and use ammunition, including any priming charge of powder, propelling charge of powder, or any form of missile or projectile to be ejected from a firearm.

11-47-33. Possession of firearms by minors. (a) It shall be unlawful within this state for any person under eighteen (18) years of age to pos-sess and use any firearm unless he or she shall hold a permit as provided in ß 11-47-34, and un-less the person is in the presence of a parent or guardian or supervising adult at any regular and recognized camp or rifle range approved by the Rhode Island state police or by the chief of po-lice of the city or town in which the camp or rifle range is located and provided further that this provision shall not apply to minors engaged in lawful hunting activity under the supervision of a parent or guardian or qualified adult, minors par-ticipating in Reserve Officer Training Corps pro-grams, ceremonial parade activities, competitive and target shooting, participants in state militia activities and minors participating in a basic fire-arms education pro-gram, and provided, further, however, that a per-son under eighteen (18) years of age may carry a firearm, unloaded, in a suitable case to and from his or her home and the camp or range and from the camp or range to other camp or range when accompanied by a parent, guardian or supervising adult. (b) For purposes of this section only, the term "qualified adult" shall mean any person twenty-one (21) years of age or older and permitted by law to possess and use said firearm.

11-47-34. Firearms permits to minors. The Rhode Island state police or the chief of police of the city or town in which the person resides shall issue permits to any person under eighteen (18) years of age only upon satisfactory proof of be-ing engaged in a course of training in the use of firearms at a regular and recognized camp or rifle range, and further provided that the person has the written consent of a parent or guardian. Valid membership cards of junior gun clubs or of junior divisions of senior gun clubs incorporated in the state of Rhode Island shall be prima facie evidence of the person under eighteen (18) years of age being engaged in a course of train-ing in the use of firearms at a regular and recog-nized camp or rifle range.

DragonRider
August 3, 2004, 04:04 PM
This morning in Nothern Virginia

at

Virginia Arms
9760 Center Street
Manassas, VA 20110

I bought a box of Winchester Ranger RA40T via cash, but have purchased ammo at this business previously both with a Credit Card and Cash.

John Blaschke

Schuey2002
August 3, 2004, 04:57 PM
PM sent.

:)

Vitamin G
August 3, 2004, 10:23 PM
Went to Walmart in Robinson Township, PA. (Pittsburgh Suburb)

Bought :
200 rounds of .45 (WWB)
100 Rounds of 9mm (WWB
1100 rounds of .22 (550packs, x2)

Didn't even card me*, or walk me out to my car for "security purposes" as other people have reported...






















* I'm 24, and look 19!

Trebor
August 4, 2004, 12:23 AM
There is no restriction on ammo sales in Michigan or purchaser registration required.

Michigan also has a nifty firearms pre-emption that prohibits local units of government from passing or enforcing laws that are more restrictive than state law regarding firearms. This keeps local cities from adding restrictions on ammo sales as well.

Taurus 617 CCW
August 4, 2004, 12:34 AM
Name: Giovani Gentilini
State: Oregon

No problems buying ammunition here. I bought 100 rounds of .45 and 100 rounds of .40 and only had to flash my ID to confirm that I'm over 21. I also buy about 1000 rounds of mil-surp .308 each year in town and they don't even look twice at me.

Best regards,
Gio

Tom Servo
August 4, 2004, 02:00 AM
Let's see...I purchased some bulk 9mm and .357sig ammo at Galyan's last night. This morning, I got a few more boxes at Wal Mart. Will probably buy several more at the range tomorrow as I'm breaking in a new Sig.

Oh, I'll be buying a TON of Georgia Arms that a local shop ordered for me next Monday.

Only Wal-Mart asked for proof of age. Nobody recorded anything. This was in the neighborhood of Kennesaw, Marietta and Woodstock, respectively.

Georgia.

Erik Fredricksen

Sisco
August 4, 2004, 02:14 AM
No ID required here except .22's at wal mart and all they're interested in is date of birth. When you're 50 years old they don't even ask.

ClonaKilty
August 4, 2004, 10:10 AM
Jim you may already know this but Oakland CA has long required registration to buy ammo:

Oakland City Code (http://bpc.iserver.net/codes/oakland/)
c.f. 9.20.040 Record of ammunition sales

Now, it's a moot point since there are no gun stores left in Oakland...I wonder why?

45 Carry
August 4, 2004, 11:15 AM
In Missouri
Gun stores and Walmart bought ammo no ID check

William Corley

The_Antibubba
August 4, 2004, 06:30 PM
Jim, can you post the pertinents of the bill so I can reference them in my letter to the Guv?



*****

DANG IT!! It's SB1152 and the vote is today!!! More info at http://calguns.net

Call or write the Governator-he's the only one who can stop it-I'm assuming it'll pass.


:fire:

redhead
August 4, 2004, 08:33 PM
SB1152 passed the Assembly appropriations committee today. It's next stop is the Assembly floor. Keep calling and faxxing, but I'm guessing the next stop after that if the Governator's desk.

redhead
August 4, 2004, 08:35 PM
SB1152 status and information (http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.shtml#sb1152)

Jim March
August 4, 2004, 10:22 PM
Yup - SB1152. Sorry, should have mentioned that.

It COULD die on the Assembly floor. Failing that, a summary of what YOU guys have provided here is going to the Governor's office.

Justin Moore
August 5, 2004, 08:06 AM
Jim, to the best of my knowledge I have NEVER had an ammo purchase recorded in either CO or WY, and in point of fact can't recall ever being ID'd either. If I was I am sure it would have been in CO.

Jim March
August 5, 2004, 04:09 PM
OK, THANK YOU for all the input :).

We've got enough.

Arnold's staff were amazed at this thread. I owe y'all one :).

mack69
August 5, 2004, 05:17 PM
Jim, I just purchased 4 100 count box bulk packs Win 45ACP, 2 100 round bulk packs of 9mm and 4 boxes of 357 at Wally World here in Illinois with nothing but showing my FOID card. No questions asked

David (mack) Porter

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