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E36M3
August 3, 2004, 12:05 PM
I only had the time for a minute and a half, but strap in and enjoy:

http://media1.stream2you.com/rnc/072304v2.wmv

That will be all, for now.

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OF
August 3, 2004, 12:33 PM
These two guys (John and John) are sitting ducks. They are dead in the water if the RNC wants to bring out the big guns.

This is a good start.

- Gabe

Zundfolge
August 3, 2004, 12:40 PM
Excellent!

Do you have a direct link to the file? I would like to download a copy of it instead of just stream it.

E36M3
August 3, 2004, 12:43 PM
Maybe on www.gop.com . I can't wait to give the finger to the next driver of a car with a Kerry bumper sticker on it. I wish I had thousands of fingers.

Don't Tread On Me
August 3, 2004, 12:48 PM
Excellent Video.


Only bad part is, it is 11 some minutes long...too long for the short attention span of most Americans today.


It does make a great 1 stop shop for all of Kerry's flip flops and makes an excellent case for how he says whatever to whomeven whenever in the true master politician way.

Zundfolge
August 3, 2004, 01:50 PM
Here's the original source of the video (they also have a RealPlayer version of it).

http://www.demsextrememakeover.com/


and it looks like you can order it (VHS?)
http://www.demsextrememakeover.com/request.asp


I signed up ... I'll see what I get :D

Henry Bowman
August 3, 2004, 03:11 PM
That's great, and the "war issue" seems to be first on the minds of most (network news informed) voters. But I'd sure like to see a similar expose on other issues as well.

Combat-wombat
August 3, 2004, 03:27 PM
I'm against the Iraq war, and I'm mostly against Bush- But that was still a great video. Although Badnarik is my ideal candidate, Bush is definitely the lesser of two evils against Kerry.

Gordon Fink
August 3, 2004, 03:46 PM
It does make a great 1 stop shop for all of Kerry’s flip flops and makes an excellent case for how he says whatever to whomeven whenever in the true master politician way.

You all do realize that G. W. Bush also flip-flops on issues, don’t you?

~G. Fink

E36M3
August 3, 2004, 03:47 PM
Sure, but "Kerry vs. Bush" still = Bush.

Gordon Fink
August 3, 2004, 03:52 PM
Fine. Your cross to bear and all.

~G. Fink

Third_Rail
August 3, 2004, 03:59 PM
It's nice to have this highlighted... but I'm still voting 3rd party.

Being in MA, I can either vote to 3rd party and make a statement, or paddle upstream against Dems.

I'll vote 3rd party, I believe.

MP5
August 3, 2004, 04:00 PM
You all do realize that G. W. Bush also flip-flops on issues, don’t you?

Makes me wonder: if Kerry decided to become a strong RKBA supporter, would that also be branded a flip-flop?

firearms_instructor
August 3, 2004, 04:10 PM
Kerry can claim to have supported each side of each issue, depending on who he's talking to. See, he can have it BOTH WAYS. A man for all seasons. Such unparalleled versatility, untrammelled by principle!

jsalcedo
August 3, 2004, 05:11 PM
Generally speaking folks don't follow a candidates stance on the issues
over the long haul. That is why Kerry can go with the flow and still maintain credibility with the Democrat voters.

Good video but I don't think it will do much good. Bush haters are a stubborn lot.

stv
August 3, 2004, 09:54 PM
If Kerry ever flipped our way (pro-RKBA) then he could just as easily flip back after getting our votes. Once an anti, always an anti.

Jeff
August 3, 2004, 10:09 PM
You all do realize that G. W. Bush also flip-flops on issues, don’t you?


Every professional politician is going to vascillate with some degree. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to survive. That's just the way it is.

I think Bush is far less fickle than most leaders tend to be. In fact, it is the strength of his convictions and his persistence to categorize things in black and white that have landed him so much criticism from his opponents.

To paraphrase Giuliani, "...he has been pro war-on-terror when it was popular, and he has been pro war-on-terror when it wasn't popular. And I think that is what will get him re-elected."



Kerry is no mere "typical" politician when it comes to changing his mind and waffling to gain political position, he is the all-time KING.

Treylis
August 4, 2004, 01:33 AM
Makes me wonder: if Kerry decided to become a strong RKBA supporter, would that also be branded a flip-flop?

Haha, I'd need to see that backed up with lots and lots of actual action.

Treylis
August 4, 2004, 01:35 AM
Every professional politician is going to vascillate with some degree. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to survive. That's just the way it is.

Paging Dr. Paul to the waiting room, paging Dr. Paul...

MP5
August 4, 2004, 07:16 AM
Once an anti, always an anti.

When talking in general (not specifically about Kerry), that's unfair and demonstrably untrue. I know people who have modified/shifted their stance on the issue over the years. My own views have shifted from moderate RKBA support to a stronger, more inclusive position. (I shouldn't merely be able to purchase so-called "assault weapons" easily, but actual automatic assualt rifles, too, because I'm a peaceful person with no criminal record and therefore pose no threat to society, but rather try to do it good.)

And if what you say is true, no one will ever change their minds, so there's no point struggling for the RKBA, is there? :) If you don't offer your opponents courtesy and the benefit of the doubt, fat chance of them ever taking your views seriously or wanting to side with you.

Such unparalleled versatility, untrammelled by principle!

Principles are great for guides, but what ultimately counts--at least in politics--is concrete words and deeds.

0007
August 4, 2004, 07:22 AM
Problem is that kerry's concrete has too much water and sand and too little cement...

And ah yes, the flexible principles, typical lib speak for "What would you like to hear?" :neener:

Ransom
August 4, 2004, 07:23 AM
I dont really see how this is a flip flop. You can support the war, or the idea of the war and its main objective but disagree with the way it was handled. In fact and awful lot of Americans do.

But in the vein of other amusing videos check out Bush vs. Bush here

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/videos_corr.jhtml?startIndex=25&p=stewart

MP5
August 4, 2004, 07:45 AM
Problem is that kerry's concrete has too much water and sand and too little cement

Good one!

You can support the war, or the idea of the war and its main objective but disagree with the way it was handled. In fact and awful lot of Americans do.

It's been said that best way to support troops is to bring them home alive instead of in body bags.

Re: the current war and its aftermath, its execution was obviously botched. Whether you supported going after Saddam militarily or not, it's clear the administration didn't adequately plan for the aftermath. Iraq is an anarchic mess now, with over 10,000 dead civilians and seemingly more hatred for the US instead of less. This war has probably been one of the best terrorist recruiting tools yet :(

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