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Edmond
August 4, 2004, 02:06 PM
I was just wondering how your state is on tickets. I know someone who has gotten 6-7 tickets in the last 3 years with 2-3 of them being for speeding. He has been bragging about how he's "never been convicted" because the cop never showed up in court.

My question is: don't those tickets still show up on your records even though you weren't "convicted?"

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UberPhLuBB
August 4, 2004, 02:25 PM
If you don't pay a ticket after a certain period of time (6 months?), the court will issue a warrant for your arrest. While they probably won't come to your home to arrest you, if you get pulled over again, when the officer runs your information the warrent will show up and you will be arrested.

No offense to you, but your friend is a fool in more ways than one. He's a fool for flaunting his sucesses in front of the law. He's a fool for not paying his tickets (I doubt someone like that would go to court for all of his tickets, or pay for the ones he didn't go to court for). He's a fool for speeding so often in the first place.

I bet he drives a truck too, right? Big bad truck, can't touch him in his truck. No turn signals, he takes whatever lane he wants when he wants.

Sorry, but I'm sick of those kinds of people. :fire: Every state should enforce a 3 strikes law for traffic violations. Nobody makes 3 mistakes on accident. 3 tickets, paid or not, should earn you jail time.

JPL
August 4, 2004, 02:33 PM
You can contest tickets.

If you show up in traffic court, and the cop doesn't, a lot of judges will toss the ticket against you.

If you sign the form and pay the ticket (which your friend apparently never does) you affirm that you were doing what the cop said you were.

I've gotten one speeding ticket in the last 15 years, and I got it tossed.

El Tejon
August 4, 2004, 02:34 PM
Edmond, they may show up on your certified driving record (CDR), but if no conviction, then they will not count toward any administrative or judicial consequences.

Arrest/cite me all you want, just don't convict me!:D

liliysdad
August 4, 2004, 02:35 PM
In ok, the day you do not appear for court, a Benach Warrant is issued for your arrest. This is normally a municipal warrant, enforceable only by the city in which issued that warrant. Only that citys officers can arrest you for that warrant.

Carlos
August 4, 2004, 02:37 PM
I bet he drives a truck too, right? Big bad truck, can't touch him in his truck. No turn signals, he takes whatever lane he wants when he wants.

Sorry, but I'm sick of those kinds of people. Every state should enforce a 3 strikes law for traffic violations. Nobody makes 3 mistakes on accident. 3 tickets, paid or not, should earn you jail time.

Amen, brother. Describes half the morons on the road around Oregon.

Edmond
August 4, 2004, 02:40 PM
If you don't pay a ticket after a certain period of time (6 months?), the court will issue a warrant for your arrest. While they probably won't come to your home to arrest you, if you get pulled over again, when the officer runs your information the warrent will show up and you will be arrested.

No offense to you, but your friend is a fool in more ways than one. He's a fool for flaunting his sucesses in front of the law. He's a fool for not paying his tickets (I doubt someone like that would go to court for all of his tickets, or pay for the ones he didn't go to court for). He's a fool for speeding so often in the first place.

I bet he drives a truck too, right? Big bad truck, can't touch him in his truck. No turn signals, he takes whatever lane he wants when he wants.


I'm not sure what they do if you don't pay the ticket. In my years of driving; I've only been cited once for not wearing a seatbelt. He's going to get nailed one day; and it's going to be bad because he's a very aggressive driver.

Yes, he is a fool. No, he doesn't drive a truck; he drives a 4 cylinder Escort. Everytime I ride with him in that car; he accelerates like crazy. Like he's trying to prove something to me. Being that I drive a Corvette; I don't get impressed.

Matthew Courtney
August 4, 2004, 02:40 PM
Sorry, but I'm sick of those kinds of people. Every state should enforce a 3 strikes law for traffic violations. Nobody makes 3 mistakes on accident. 3 tickets, paid or not, should earn you jail time.

Have you ever heard of due process?

Zrex
August 4, 2004, 02:50 PM
I bet he drives a truck too, right? Big bad truck, can't touch him in his truck. No turn signals, he takes whatever lane he wants when he wants.


Hmm... I drive a "big bad truck." Its an F-250. I use it for my business because for the life of me I never could figure out how to put 4000 pounds of steel in the trunk of my wifes Honda. I also havent had a moving violation since 1991.... but thanks for the stereotypes! Keep them coming! :D

Edmond
August 4, 2004, 02:52 PM
Hmm... I drive a "big bad truck." Its an F-250. I use it for my business because for the life of me I never could figure out how to put 4000 pounds of steel in the trunk of my wifes Honda. I also havent had a moving violation since 1991.... but thanks for the stereotypes! Keep them coming! :D

Okay, I'll keep them coming. Do you also have a shotgun rack in that thing too?:D

R.H. Lee
August 4, 2004, 02:54 PM
Don't know whether it's true or not, but I heard there is a country where cops carry paper punchers, and will punch a hole in your driver's license for a traffic violation. Get too many, and you don't have a license anymore!!

UberPhLuBB
August 4, 2004, 03:01 PM
Yes, he is a fool. No, he doesn't drive a truck; he drives a 4 cylinder Escort. Everytime I ride with him in that car; he accelerates like crazy. Like he's trying to prove something to me. Being that I drive a Corvette; I don't get impressed.

If he drives a small car and acts like that, then he's just immature. He'll grow out of it, hopefully before he kills someone or wrecks some property. How old is he? 17?

Hmm... I drive a "big bad truck." Its an F-250. I use it for my business because for the life of me I never could figure out how to put 4000 pounds of steel in the trunk of my wifes Honda. I also havent had a moving violation since 1991.... but thanks for the stereotypes! Keep them coming!

You're not the aggressive type, so the stereotype doesn't apply to you unless you never use turn signals. =)

In addition, you don't live in California, where all the (insert explative of choice)'s live. People drive SO poorly here, that I literally am shocked when I see a pickup, SUV or other truck (excluding big rigs, which are some of the best drivers on the road) actually USE a turn signal. I clap for them in my car. "Sweet jesus, there goes a saint!" I say. People are TERRIBLE drivers in California, and the trucks are the worst of the worst.

Have you ever heard of due process?

In my experiance, there is no rhythm to the world. Jerks get off with warning, legitimate people end up with citations. Murderers are allowed to continue murdering, people sentenced to life in prison get out of prison. It's random. Some people, who should be institutionalized for their lack of driving skills, will never go to jail. Some people, who take every precaution when driving slip up once and end up with a ticket. Sure, the guy could end up getting his just rewards. But I wouldn't count on it, the world is too unfair. Instead, I have to run the risk of said jerk ramming my car trying to take a lane without warning.

Jack T.
August 4, 2004, 03:18 PM
3 tickets, paid or not, should earn you jail time.

Oh, hell no.

tarrigoni
August 4, 2004, 04:00 PM
is that 3 tickets EVER?

man, that would suck. I got a ticket for speeding when I was 18, I got another one when I was 22 for a weather related accident, and I just got a ticket for having a tail light out. I'm 25, not a criminal, but you think I should be in jail?

wow. that's um, not cool.

UberPhLuBB
August 4, 2004, 04:12 PM
Well it doesn't matter because it'll never happen, but I meant 3 tickets in a given time period, say 1 year.

liliysdad
August 4, 2004, 04:20 PM
and I just got a ticket for having a tail light out
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What did you do to piss that cop off? Where I work, we never write equipment citations, just warnings.

tarrigoni
August 4, 2004, 04:26 PM
I did absolutely nothing to piss him off. He's just a jerk. (it's been verified through his coworkers, not many of them like him)

it was late at night, so I'm sure it started as a pretextual stop, but he must have just been bored. lucky me, eh?

sendec
August 4, 2004, 04:32 PM
Uh, for due process to apply, the defendent actually has to show for court. Not appearing is pretty much considered a waiver and a bench warrant will follow. He also could run into some issues when he goes to renew his license.

Zrex
August 4, 2004, 06:18 PM
unless you never use turn signals.



What are those? ;)

jnojr
August 4, 2004, 07:04 PM
Seems like nobody actually read what was written! :-)

I was just wondering how your state is on tickets. I know someone who has gotten 6-7 tickets in the last 3 years with 2-3 of them being for speeding. He has been bragging about how he's "never been convicted" because the cop never showed up in court.

The cop never showed up in court. Hence, the case is dismissed for lack of prosecution. He's very lucky, but his luck will run out one day.

My question is: don't those tickets still show up on your records even though you weren't "convicted?"

No. They're dismissed. Tickets show up on your record if you're convicted or if you "admit guilt" by paying the fine. Being given a ticket is sort of like being arrested for a "real" offense. Just because you're arrested on a robbery charge doesn't mean it automatically goes on your record... there are a few other steps that have to be gone through first :-) Infractions are the same.

Now, the next question is, why is it that if I don't show up to traffic court, I get a bench warrant, but if the officer doesn't show up, oh well, end of story...

R.H. Lee
August 4, 2004, 07:07 PM
Here in California, you can go to traffic school for a moving violation (once every 18 months, I think) instead of paying a fine. This keeps the ticket off your record. The advantage is that your insurance rate doesn't go up.

angrywalkindude
August 4, 2004, 07:32 PM
I know someone who has gotten 6-7 tickets in the last 3 years Angry received 7 tickets in one traffic stop.:D

Edmond
August 5, 2004, 12:08 AM
If he drives a small car and acts like that, then he's just immature. He'll grow out of it, hopefully before he kills someone or wrecks some property. How old is he? 17?

No, he's not 17. He's 24.:(

sendec
August 5, 2004, 01:33 AM
Arrests and convictions are both on your so-called permanent record. They all show up.

Otherguy Overby
August 5, 2004, 01:44 AM
Several people have mentioned how big trucks often don't use their turnsignals. This is most especailly true in and around LA.

In and near big cities, if a truck driver signals a lane change, other drivers will often speed up so they won't be behind the truck and thus block his lane change. It doesn't take much of this before a trucker might find it easier to make lane changes without a signal when there's an open space to switch lanes into.

'tis not a perfect world, eh?

Edmond
August 5, 2004, 01:48 AM
In and near big cities, if a truck driver signals a lane change, other drivers will often speed up so they won't be behind the truck and thus block his lane change. It doesn't take much of this before a trucker might find it easier to make lane changes without a signal when there's an open space to switch lanes into.

In Chicago; they won't let you in if you use your turn signals regardless of if it's a car or truck.;)

deanf
August 5, 2004, 08:56 PM
It is extemely unwise to ask legal advice about a state matter on a forum that is read in all 50 states and around the world.

The laws on this issue vary widely from state to state.

For example, some states treat speeding tickets as a criminal matter, and some as a civil matter. Courts may treat civil and criminal matters differently in the event of a "failure to appear."

My point is that you shouldn't reley on any information received here.

Your "friend" should get a copy of his criminal history and his driving record (normally available from the state police agency) to see what's on his record.

six 4 sure
August 6, 2004, 03:47 PM
I know for a fact that in the state of Illinois if you are issued a ticket (by the State Police) it stays in the database for at least two years regardless if it was ‘thrown out’ or if you go on court supervision to keep your insurance from finding out. The database is supposed to be ‘cleaned out’ every couple of years, but that rarely happens according to my best friend that is an Illinois State Trooper.

I also heard, while renewing my license plate sticker, that if you get more than two tickets between the ages of 16-21 you will loose your DL.

R.H. Lee
August 6, 2004, 03:51 PM
Arrests and convictions are both on your so-called permanent record. They all show up.

Only to "official agencies" if those convictions were resolved via traffic school here in California. That info IS NOT available to insurance companies, employers, etc.

Edmond
August 6, 2004, 05:02 PM
I know for a fact that in the state of Illinois if you are issued a ticket (by the State Police) it stays in the database for at least two years regardless if it was ‘thrown out’ or if you go on court supervision to keep your insurance from finding out.

I do believe they were issued by local agencies and not the Troopers. Some of the other tickets were for non-moving violations like parking in no parking zones.

I know that their driving record is so poor that they have to use some state insurance.

O.F.Fascist
August 7, 2004, 01:27 AM
IMO there isnt necesarily anything wrong with speeding.

It is wrong to driver recklessly, however just because you are speeding doesnt mean that you are a reckless driver.

I usually speed when I'm driving out of town, I usually go about 85.

Got pulled over once and ticketed for going 81, I decided not to fight it because I didnt think it was worth my time or gas to drive back to that county to fight it.

I also got a ticket once for going 40 in a 30 in my own town. :rolleyes:

I definatly fought that, I went to the pre-trial and the prosecutor offered that I could do the defensive driving thing and whatever, but the funny thing is that it would have costed me more than my ticket. I probably could have negotiated some more with him if I wanted but I plain told him, "I want a trial by jury."

A few months later I went to trial, and before the trial in the hallway before we entered the courtroom he told me "well the officer who ticketed you showed up." I just said "okay" and walked into the courtroom.

I didnt know if he was trying to scare me somewhat or just to see my reaction. However as soon as the judge arrived and things started the prosecutor filed a motion to dismiss the case, and that was that.

I guess he figured he had a good chance of losing considering and didnt want to waste anymore time, and get on the with the rest of his cases for the day.

O.F.Fascist
August 7, 2004, 01:35 AM
I was just wondering how your state is on tickets. I know someone who has gotten 6-7 tickets in the last 3 years with 2-3 of them being for speeding. He has been bragging about how he's "never been convicted" because the cop never showed up in court.

My question is: don't those tickets still show up on your records even though you weren't "convicted?"

So whats the problem, if he went to court and had the charges droped or a jury said he was not guilty, then in the eyes of the law he never commited those crimes.

Why would your police records list things that you were acquited of?

Edmond
August 7, 2004, 10:06 AM
So whats the problem, if he went to court and had the charges droped or a jury said he was not guilty, then in the eyes of the law he never commited those crimes.

Why would your police records list things that you were acquited of?

I was wondering for insurance purposes if they would list those tickets. He wants to get a high powered sports car.:)

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