AWB on Hannity and Colmes


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Roc_Kor
August 4, 2004, 09:02 PM
The guy replacing Colmes brought up the AWB when they were interviewing the Republican Massachussetts Governor. The Governor says that he believes in the 2nd Amendment but not in assault weapons. He also says that the NRA supports the Massachussetts' state AWB renewal. Watch the rerun to see it again. I'm watching it RIGHT NOW, but it just ended.

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Roc_Kor
August 4, 2004, 09:04 PM
Oh, yeah and the guy replacing Colmes asked if the Governor was worried if Usama bin Laden will tell his agents in the US to go to the gun store and get an AK-47 and attacking. The Governor made a good rebuttal when he said "Trucks bombs are homeland security, not this."

Dbl0Kevin
August 4, 2004, 09:12 PM
Damn he just brought it up AGAIN with Harold Ford Jr. Freakin Hannity didn't even say a word about it.....just changed the subject! :cuss: :banghead:

Roc_Kor
August 4, 2004, 09:13 PM
AND later the guy replacing Colmes (when interviewing Congressmen Harold Ford, JR. (D-TN) also asked about the AWB. Typical liberal crap.

Again if there is a rerun, tape it or watch it so you can see the crap they say. "It makes cops' jobs easier." :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

You can never have too many barf smilies. Up it comes again. :barf:

Roc_Kor
August 4, 2004, 09:15 PM
lol you posted Right before me.

:barf: :banghead: :barf: :banghead: :barf:

More smilies from me.

Dbl0Kevin
August 4, 2004, 09:17 PM
I never thought I'd hear myself say this......but I want Alan Colmes back. At least he doesn't usually push on the anti-gun BS.

Roc_Kor
August 4, 2004, 09:26 PM
Alan Colmes is one of the few liberals I like to watch. He seems smart and etc. and is a nice guy. But, I'd rather remain Hannitized than a Colmes follower. (I swear, though, if I was Hannity, Colmes would be dead. I would go insane sitting next to him :D lol)

cropcirclewalker
August 4, 2004, 10:46 PM
Alan Colmes..........Other than being ugly, talking too fast, being a flaming liberal and saying stupid things, is a lot better talking head than Hannity.

I don't know what to say about Shawn.

:neener:

p.s. I know how to spell his name. I just refuse to spell it correctly.:p

Justin
August 4, 2004, 11:42 PM
Sean Hannity only looks smart so long as Alan Colmes is hanging around.

LiquidTension
August 5, 2004, 12:28 AM
I'm pretty disgusted that he didn't say a word to refute what the libs were saying (typical anti lies). Maybe he's just not educated on the subject? I'll email him, maybe I can help :evil:

madcowburger
August 5, 2004, 12:36 AM
He's not interested. All he really gets worked up about are issues about marriage and child-rearing, and other people's sex lives.

Plus, like 99 percent of the populace, he probably has no idea what the AWB actually bans. I'm sure he thinks it's got something to do with machine guns.

MCB

mattf7184
August 5, 2004, 02:03 AM
:fire: :cuss: :banghead: :barf:

Thats the kind of Republican I dont like... (RE: mass. governor)

AZRickD
August 5, 2004, 02:05 AM
Mitt said (close paraphrase), "I signed a bill that extended the assault weapons ban and made it easier to purchase other types of weapons. It was supported by the NRA and GOAL..."

I seem to remember a thread where some folks were angry about (Gun Owners Action League) GOAL's involvement with this.

Rick

jdkelly
August 5, 2004, 07:51 AM
MY understanding about the Mass. Assualt Weapons Ban, is that it gave a few things that gun owners wanted/needed, while doing nothing for the anti's, other then letting them claim that they extended something that wasn't sunsetting. I understand that the Mass AWB did not have a sunset date and would have continued even if the Fed. AWB ended.

The Mass. AWB gave us:

1) An extension of 2 years, from 4 to 6 on our gun permits.
2) A 90 grace period should the permit expire before reissue
3) Forces the Law Enforcement give a receipt for confiscated guns
4) Sets up a review board for people who were denied permits.

I think this is correct and I'm not sure what else it does.


Respectfully,

jdkelly

FPrice
August 5, 2004, 08:08 AM
"Mitt said (close paraphrase), "I signed a bill that extended the assault weapons ban and made it easier to purchase other types of weapons. It was supported by the NRA and GOAL...""

GOAL supported the reform measures in this bill concerning firearms licensing procedures and efforts to restore the right to own firearms to certain people denied for minor offenses committed a long time ago. These were recognized abuses in our system and the bill was needed in that respect.

GOAL also claims that 700 types of firearms were saved from being declared assault weapons and therefore not banned under Massachusetts law which, if true, would be good. However I have not yet seen that provision so I don't know for sure.

Here is a link to the GOAL webpage talking about the bill:

http://www.goal.org/Alerts/reformlawpassed.html

In any case, Gov Romney's comments make it very unlikely that the Massachusetts Republican Party will get any money from me this year. Individual candidates might, but not the part nor the Governor.

FPrice
August 5, 2004, 08:10 AM
The major provisions of this bill were needed.

And, it is unlikely that we in this Commonwealth are going to obtain any huge victories against the liberal gun-banners here so we need to take what we can get, build on it for the next fight, and hope that the National AWB sunsets and the aftermath provides us ammunition (pun intended) to attack the Massachusetts ban.

Ktulu
August 5, 2004, 08:18 AM
Does anyone else think the Alan Colmes is looking more like Gollum every day?

Roc_Kor
August 5, 2004, 08:41 AM
Ktulu, he's getting there. :evil: :neener:

Swamprabbit
August 5, 2004, 08:56 AM
GOAL also claims that 700 types of firearms were saved from being declared assault weapons and therefore not banned under Massachusetts law...

I just fume at this logic. Our former senior senator from KY, Wendell Ford, tried this on Kentuckians during the '94 passage of the AWB. How are we to feel good when a politician tells us that "hey, see where I kept these from being banned?". This skips the simple logic of asking the question of why was there any ban in the first place? This is just like me coming into any one of your homes and taking all your furniture then telling you that you should like me because I let you keep your coffee table.

outofbattery
August 5, 2004, 01:38 PM
Given the MA political and social climate , the changes to our gun laws were very positive things . Plenty of Republicans and moderate/conservative independants here do not favor the ownership of *assault rifles* ; that is fact and it is life . I'm a realist and would much rather have Romney than the alternative as long as I'm living here .

Molon Labe
August 5, 2004, 01:54 PM
I used to be a fan of Hannity, but now I can’t stand him. He’s nothing more than a cheerleader for Bush.

Partisan Ranger
August 5, 2004, 02:07 PM
Hannity needed to call his co-host on the terrorist angle. What hogwash. Uh, when have terrorists attacked this country with evil black guns?

Anti-gun parasites are trying to use people's fear of terrorism as a means to disarm the Republic, a pretty low thing to attempt.

TheEgg
August 5, 2004, 05:19 PM
It is clear that these talking heads, including the Governor, knew nothing about AW and the AWB. It sounded to me like they had all bought into the big lie promulgated by the Bradyites and Democrats.

I would love to see them invite someone on who would bring a pre-ban and post-ban weapon on and SHOW them the silly little differences and debunk the lie that this is about full-auto weapons once and for all.

But these hot-air shows aren't about facts, just opinions, and it seems that the less facts the hosts have, the more popular they are.

I think that I have watched my last one of these -- all they do is inflate my blood pressure. They certainly do not 'inform' me in any way.



:barf:

NIGHTWATCH
August 5, 2004, 05:59 PM
Hannity: Governor, would you not agree that the framers of the bill of rights had every intention that not only the people be armed but equally armed as the government? Are not assualt weapons there as a deterent against criminal government itself? I mean, let us look at the bigger picture here sir. Your aware that the AWB accomplished nothing in reducing crimes where assualt weapons were used. And you also know that there are, at some estimates, 80-90 million gun owners in this country. Why do politicians like yourself continue to insult the intelligence of the American people and flirt with creating a national crisis by seeking further gun control?

Now, when are we going to hear this from Hannity? O'Reilly or any celebrity or public official? Nowhere except Michael Badnarik. Who has been virtually silenced. :banghead:

aut2no
August 5, 2004, 07:15 PM
"As explained in last month’s issue of The Outdoor Message, Massachusetts has had a semi-auto gun ban which was not due to disappear when the federal ban sunsets. However, some anti-gun legislators believed that it would. After trying, and failing, to extend the ban to cover even more guns, the other side “settled” for language that would take three existing references to federal law and add a date reference. GOAL believes this date reference actually gave gun owners a measure of protection.

Let’s put it even more simply. Massachusetts definition of a so-called “assault weapon” relies partially on the federal definition, which is likely to disappear in September. GOAL’s concern was that the federal appendix listing nearly 700 guns which are not to be considered “assault weapons” would disappear. GOAL was concerned that some of its members would be brought to court for illegal possession of a gun previously lawful to own. That’s why we supported the simple addition to the state law “as appearing in such appendix on September 13, 1994 .”

IIRC, Romney took credit for "extending" Mass. AWB, which is disingenuous(at best)...there was no expiration at hand. At the news conference for the bill signing , they gave podium time to an anti-gun guy, but refused to acknowledge the GOAL representative.


I saw the show last nite & agree Hannity dropped the ball to contest the AWB/terrorist BS line of questioning...don't know whether Hannity is pro 2A..I don't assume so because someone is "conservative". Lost opportunity to debunk the line of questioning. Also, IIRC, Romney said on Fox that gunowners don't need thes (AW) in their *personal* arsenal. ???

DigMe
August 5, 2004, 08:48 PM
Hannity never touches the AWB. I'm starting to wonder if he knows anything about it or even if he secretly supports it. I've NEVER heard him say one thing about it. I'm tempted to call him up and try to confront him on that issue.

brad cook

madcowburger
August 5, 2004, 11:44 PM
If you can get a call through to Hannity, more power to you.

You're right not to assume anyone is pro-RKBA just because they're considered "conservative." In a lot of cases, "conservative" means little more than disliking abortion and high taxes. Former Virtue Czar Bill Bennett is susually called a conservative, and he's one of the *most* anti-2nd Amendment rights guys out there.

I seem to recall Hannity saying one time that he owned some sort of handgun, and would use it to defend his home if someone broke in. That's great as far as it goes. But he may be one of those who see no particular problem with someone having a six-shot revolver in the nightstand drawer, but who is not in favor of people carrying guns on them, concealed or openly, in public, and who sure don't think 'civilians" should have "assault weapons," which they think means "machine guns and bazookas," as I have heard Bill O'Reilly say out loud more than once.

Like I said before, about the only things Hannity ever really seems to get excited about are "family"-type issues -- marriage, child-production/child-rearing, and *other* people's sex lives, if any. O'Reilly is much the same, and I just about quit listening to Michael Reagan on the car radio because every time I tune in all he talks about is kids-this and children-that. I don't have any kids, don't want any, and am not very interested in hearing about other people's kids, and am sick and tired of hearing about how more of my freedom needs to be infringed on "for the children.":barf:

MCB

aut2no
August 6, 2004, 03:02 PM
website notes text may be edited for clarity (seems some is missing from my recollection of interview , ie "700 guns". some other stuff said in crosstalk also

Romney not truthful here:

"the gun owners' action league backed the legislation that said, "Look, let's protect our citizens from dangerous assault weapons"



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PAT HALPIN, GUEST CO-HOST: Governor, let's talk about AK-47's. The assault weapons ban is set to expire in the middle of September. It seems that Bush is doing nothing about that. The Republican Congress is in concert with this. Tom DeLay and the others want to see that happen, and as a bone to the NRA.

Aren't you concerned that terrorists and Al Qaeda, that terrorists that are here in the United States, if this thing expires, can walk down to the corner gun store and pick up an AK-47 or some other assault weapons, if the Republican Congress doesn't extend the assault weapons ban?

ROMNEY: I don't think for a minute the terrorists were planning on bringing down the government of the United States and bringing down our financial institutions and causing disruption of our nation are worried about picking up a pea shooter. And whether it's a big peashooter like an AK-47 or a smaller one.

HALPIN: So are you in favor of that ban being extended or do you want to see it lapse?

ROMNEY: What they want to do is they want to attack our nation and bring down our government with an aircraft, with a bomb, with biological weapons and something of that nature.

I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don't believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal.

HALPIN: So you're...

ROMNEY: In my state I just signed a piece of legislation extending the ban on certain assault weapons in our state.

HALPIN: Governor, would you like to see that extended again on the federal level, as well?

ROMNEY: It very well may be. In our state what we did is we got both sides of this issue to come together, because we relaxed a number of things, allowing people who hadn't been able to get weapons in the past to be able to purchase those.

HALPIN: But aren't you concerned about weapons coming in from other states if we don't abolish them nationwide?

ROMNEY: Not in Massachusetts. Yes, Massachusetts has very tough laws. But it's a good balance.

HALPIN: We've got tough laws here in New York, too.

ROMNEY: There are hunters in the NRA and the gun owners' action league backed the legislation that said, "Look, let's protect our citizens from dangerous assault weapons, but let's also make — makes regular weapons more available to our citizens." And we made a compromise that works.

But homeland security is bombs. It's trucks with bombs. It's the kind of thing that, it keeps me awake at night.

HALPIN: I understand that. And you're right. It is about intelligence.

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