Illinois GOP picks Keyes!!


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The_Antibubba
August 5, 2004, 01:54 AM
Alan Keyes will be the Republican running against Obama. Link:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=3&u=/nm/20040805/pl_nm/campaign_illinois_senate_dc

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AZRickD
August 5, 2004, 02:11 AM
The debates will be fun.

But Illinois is not ready for a conservo-libertarian like Keyes.

Rick

SUE ROVR
August 5, 2004, 02:24 AM
I will send him a couple bucks.

One of the 5% of african americans who has a brain*



*95% of african americans voted against bush in 2000

madcowburger
August 5, 2004, 02:30 AM
Keyes is a good guy. Good luck to him. But I doubt Illinois is ready for somebody as good as him.

MCB

stealthmode
August 5, 2004, 05:19 AM
hope he wins

Stand_Watie
August 5, 2004, 05:45 AM
I don't think he has a chance in Illinois. I wish he'd win though, or come to Texas and run for something.

lee n. field
August 5, 2004, 08:50 AM
It was down to Keyes, and some no-name drug warrior.

This'll be interesting.

gunsmith
August 5, 2004, 11:14 AM
Some no brain drug warrior:D

Good luck and Godspeed Alan!

emc
August 5, 2004, 11:26 AM
Keyes is a true dyed in the wool conservative, and a real firebrand as a speaker. But, I would have to echo what AzRickD said first.....is Illinois ready for someone as good as Keyes? I hope that they are....

FWIW,

emc

DonP
August 5, 2004, 12:53 PM
The GOP in Illinois has been on self-destruct for the last 6 years and they won't just lie down and stop breathing, PLEASE.

A handful of RINO's run things here and have kept any real change far away from the party covering their own power bases (and butts) here as Daley and his minions have now taken over every facet of government in the state.

The GOP currently has ONE state level office, the treasurer.

We need a major overhaul of the party structure.

Maybe with Keyes in place (I still would have rather had Ditka, dammit) we can stop running stories about whether Jack Ryan and his hottie wife went to a sex club in London and get down to the far, far left wing socialist opinions of the newest Dem Golden Boy, Obama that have been so carefully kept from public display.

rick_reno
August 5, 2004, 01:12 PM
Keyes is a very good man - but all this effort will get him is another notch in his long list of failed attempts at gaining public office.

Waitone
August 5, 2004, 01:15 PM
Just exactly what is Keyes residential connection to Illinois?

I though those who representated a state had to have some kind of residential relationship with that state.

Lizzy Dole was born in Statesville, NC but hasn't llived in the state for 30+ years. When Bush tapped her to run in NC all of a sudden she established her residency at her mother's house.

So now NC is represented by a senator who hasn't lived in the state for most of her life.

While I applaud the thought of Keyes on the campaign circuit, I am somewhat distressed at the thought of importing a candidate into a state because the state is void of sufficient name recognition.

Professional elected officials is not a good thing. I'm more into the the citizen legislature.

Jeff White
August 5, 2004, 01:52 PM
AZRickD said;
The debates will be fun.

But Illinois is not ready for a conservo-libertarian like Keyes.

I'm sure you have real good insight into what the Illinois electorate is ready for from your close observation post in Arizona :rolleyes: .

DonP is right, this will be the first liberal vs true conservative race in the state, probably in anyone's memory. I'm sure that they will turn Keyes' statements about Hillary Clinton running for senate in New York against him. But it's going to be very interesting to see how the public reacts to the contrast between Keyes and Obama. I think he'll do better then anyone expects. But I feel the same way DonP does, Ditka would have been the better choice for Illinois I think he would have had a better chance of getting elected.

Jeff

Harry Tuttle
August 5, 2004, 01:59 PM
Keyes is a Marland resident and he is waiting till Sunday to announce if he will accept the nomination

Bruce H
August 5, 2004, 02:39 PM
Illinois law says he has to be a resident election day. Doesn't Illinois have one qualified republican in the whole state? Other than being a conservative orator what track record does Keyes have that makes him qualified?

dadman
August 5, 2004, 02:58 PM
This morning on NPR, Thursday 08/05/04, there was a radio commentary about Alan Keyes running in Illinois.
Brought up:
His political record of running for president and senatre and losing.
Not being from Illinois, not familiar with district, and not visiting district enough.
Not being able to make it to an Illinois GOP meeting due to schedule conflict.
Being put into the race in Illinois so there was a black face running against a black face.

Should be able to go to NPR's website and get the commentarie or a transcript.

Mr. James
August 5, 2004, 03:33 PM
But dadman, none of that stopped Hillary "Carpetbags" Rodham-Clinton-Rodham-Clinton...

Jackthelad
August 5, 2004, 03:34 PM
I have a really dumb question. What is a RINO? I have seen it on other threads as well. Can someone enlighten me?

thanks in advance!

Zrex
August 5, 2004, 03:42 PM
Republican In Name Only

lee n. field
August 5, 2004, 03:49 PM
Illinois law says he has to be a resident election day. Doesn't Illinois have one qualified republican in the whole state?

HA!

Michigander
August 5, 2004, 06:00 PM
I despise carpetbagging! I wish there were laws requiring residency (real residency, not in name only) in all 50 states for at least 1 year prior to election day!

According to the article, if Keyes bags his carpet and runs in Illinois, then he will be a hypocrite and I will lose a lot of respect I currently have for Keyes. Guess I thought he'd be above something like this.

mons meg
August 5, 2004, 06:11 PM
Republican In Name Only

Conversely, would that would make Zell Miller a DINO? ;)

Ironbarr
August 5, 2004, 06:37 PM
Two gereat minds working as one. I was a hair away from responding exactly as you did.

:D

mons meg
August 5, 2004, 06:47 PM
Just found this, for the Google challenged. :)

http://www.renewamerica.us/keyes/issues.htm

If he weren't black, I'd wonder if he was my real dad. :D

Edit: ok, maybe except for the part about supporting COPA and other problematic legislation...other than that, he seems to be 90-95%.

Partisan Ranger
August 5, 2004, 07:24 PM
Has Keyes accepted?

I expect him to say no.

Why? Because there is a good chance he will lose.

I love Keyes and long to hear him on the national stage. His take-no-prisoners hard-core conservatism, combined with his excellent speaking abilities, is music to my ears.

But no way is IL going to vote for personal responsibility over 'free' government money. The sheep in the inner cities are too accustomed to blaming others for their problems and living off government (I blame government largely for that, by the way, not those folks).

Partisan Ranger
August 5, 2004, 07:24 PM
Has Keyes accepted?

I expect him to say no.

Why? Because there is a good chance he will lose.

I love Keyes and long to hear him on the national stage. His take-no-prisoners hard-core conservatism, combined with his excellent speaking abilities, is music to my ears.

But no way is IL going to vote for personal responsibility over 'free' government money. The sheep in the inner cities are too accustomed to blaming others for their problems and living off government (I blame government largely for that, by the way, not those folks).

Partisan Ranger
August 5, 2004, 07:24 PM
Has Keyes accepted?

I expect him to say no.

Why? Because there is a good chance he will lose.

I love Keyes and long to hear him on the national stage. His take-no-prisoners hard-core conservatism, combined with his excellent speaking abilities, is music to my ears.

But no way is IL going to vote for personal responsibility over 'free' government money. The sheep in the inner cities are too accustomed to blaming others for their problems and living off government (I blame government largely for that, by the way, not those folks).

mons meg
August 5, 2004, 07:30 PM
Even if he doesn't win, the debates will be most entertaining...anyone else remember the Republican primaries 4 years ago?

BAB
August 5, 2004, 09:56 PM
I am a bit concerned with how it would look for him to run in Illinois after blasting Hillary for the same thing.

Nevertheless, I think Keyes would be great in the senate. Imagine the debates on the senate floor, with Keyes locking horns with the likes of Clinton, Kennedy and Feinstein. I'd be watching C-SPAN a lot more often with him in office!

sctman800
August 5, 2004, 09:58 PM
I really like Keyes as far as polititions go. I have heard him in debates and he is one heck of a speaker, but what I really like is his commitment to his beliefs. I cant say I agree with his positions on all subjects but have all respect for someone who doesn't change his mind every time he reads the polls. One thing I don't know is his stand on gun control and 2nd Amendment issues. Jim.

aikidoka-mks
August 5, 2004, 10:24 PM
It was mentioned on WLS talk radio that Keyes could also keep Obama from stumping for Kerrey even if he ends up losing anyway. I thought that was a good idea.

I dont like the idea of carpet bagging either but maybe if Keyes says yes and loses, he could put that to rest by sticking around and helping the illinois republican party rebuild.

At any rate the debates would be something to watch from my perch in Northwest Indiana.

Mark

Michigander
August 5, 2004, 11:45 PM
I would pay to see Keyes on the Senate floor filibustering! That would be great! After 3 days, he'd probably not even break a sweat and probably would not have uttered the same thought twice! :p

Don Gwinn
August 6, 2004, 12:01 AM
Thoughts on Alan Keyes, more or less at random:

1. I love Alan Keyes as a candidate. I will donate money and time IF he chooses to run-- a step a lot of people seem to be omitting. He has NOT chosen to accept the nomination yet.

2. Nobody knows whether Illinois will vote for a conservative, because it hasn't been tried in so long. At least, not in a statewide office. Truth is, this race is a bit of a throwaway because no one is supposed to be able to beat Obama. If Keyes can step in and even make a showing against Obama, it could change Illinois politics for the better. Even liberals should be happy that a race between these two can actually be run based on differences on issues rather than pure personality.

3. Honestly, I don't think Keyes can win. Obama has all media on his side at this point, and I mean nationwide. He also has a ton a money and a commanding lead, and no matter who the Illinois GOP brings in from Maryland, a lot of people will vote against the IL GOP on principle.
But I WANT Keyes to win, and if he gets into this race I'll jump in and do what I can for him. And I don't believe any of the other names mentioned would give Obama a run for his money.

4. Ditka. . . . the only things we ever knew about Ditka were that he was apparently against smoking bans, for abortion bans, and gave some money to Republicans. He might have had a better chance than Keyes . . . . . maybe. . . . . but he'd have been a much worse Senator, and at some point the Illinois GOP is going to have to drop the games and start nominating people who would be good at the office. Honestly, that was Obama's strength all along. I disagreed with the man on every single issue, but I could imagine him being a relatively good Senator.

5. What if Keyes stayed in Illinois and took over as GOP Chair after Judy Baar-Topinka steps down? Talk about a new direction!

6. No, I don't think the above will come to pass. The cynic in me says the conservatives talked the RINOs into this by arguing that no one would beat Obama, thus the RINOs could afford to let the Conservatives send one of their guys in 'cause the RINOs don't believe it's going to matter.

aikidoka-mks
August 6, 2004, 12:06 AM
Take over as chair? wow that is a thought! Seems to me there are plenty of reasons to encourage Keyes to run despite the carpet bagger issue that we are uncomfortable with.

Mark

six 4 sure
August 6, 2004, 02:32 PM
I’m not sure what to think about Keyes running. I think it’s sad that Illinois doesn’t have a single ‘home grown’ candidate worth running. I also could have sworn that you had to be a resident for seven years before becoming eligible to run for office, but I guess I’m wrong. If he decides to run he’ll get my vote despite the fact I don’t think he stands a snowballs chance in Hades.

The only bright side is if he accepts maybe he can turn around the disastrous state of the Illinois GOP. They really need to get it together. This next election will pave the way for 06. A lot of state reps (dems) are now under fire for taking so long to pass a budget, and that they left out medical malpractice reform. In 06 the GOP should be able to reclaim the governor’s office, if they find someone worth running. As horrible as Blogo is he still has a lot of support.

But hey, we did manage to get the shooting complex in Sparta in the budget, so things are looking up a bit.

DonP
August 6, 2004, 02:54 PM
I agree on the point of turning around our pitiful GOP!

It may take an outsider to run as a true conservative to prove that they can at least make a decent showing agains a hand down media chosen darling like Obama.

Keyes will have my vote. All he really needs to do is make a decent showing (for only being in the race for 90 days with no real national backing) to wake up the GOP that running a conservative instead of one of our own home grown RINO's might be a better way to win here.

halvey
August 6, 2004, 03:17 PM
I hope Keyes wins. If not, I'd like to see him in the VP slot in 08.

six 4 sure
August 6, 2004, 03:31 PM
DonP I guess you’re right, if it takes an outsider to wake up the Illinois GOP I’m behind it. I hope he does well (if he accepts). I felt this senate seat was a golden opportunity for the Illinois GOP to make a comeback. There are a lot of people upset with the dems in this state (dems and repubs both) and I thought this might be a chance to soundly elect a republican to the seat.

Regardless of the outcome, one thing is for certain, the Illinois GOP has got to get its house in order. Maybe this is the wakeup call they need.

mack69
August 6, 2004, 04:11 PM
Too Little TO Late!!! as momma always said......Obama is the man.....
Daley says so......Nuthin else in ILLINOIS matters.....

KRAUTGUNNER
August 6, 2004, 04:34 PM
Another dumb question: what is a GOP??? :confused:

DesertEagle613
August 6, 2004, 04:39 PM
GOP=Grand Old Party, a nickname for the Republicans.

Kingcreek
August 6, 2004, 06:45 PM
whoa! you mean its not GASSY OLD PERVERTS! I stand corrected.
I like Keyes but it's pretty sad that there isn't a native qualified to run. This is a prime example of why the IL GOP has completely lost touch with their base.

KRAUTGUNNER
August 7, 2004, 07:34 AM
GOP=Grand Old Party, a nickname for the Republicans.

Thanks a lot, desertEagle613 :)

WilderBill
August 7, 2004, 09:23 AM
I have been wondering if the Ill GOP was going to actually nominate someone or just roll over and play dead.
It would take someone with a lot of name recognition to stand a chance.
I believe that Alan Keyes has as good a chance as anyone the GOP could have picked.
In any event, having somebody on the ballot improves the odds a lot over having nobody on the ballot.

Don Gwinn
August 7, 2004, 01:18 PM
Anybody been reading the general massa-cree in the press? It's truly vicious.

The press in Illinois is shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you!

Either that or they're terrified of Keyes.

Oh, and Denny Hastert is doing his usual "craven coward" act on Keyes--he's worried that Keyes will alienate DEMOCRATS!
What kind of bootlicking sissy do you have to be when the best comment you can make on your own Republican Senate candidate is that he may not win many people from the OTHER party?
Gee, Denny, I bet he won't win many Greens, either. And I heard PETA and ANSWER and the NAACP and the Brady Campaign all hate him, which I guess makes him a bad candidate for Republicans . . . . . but just for kicks, why don't you explain exactly HOW one more time?
:banghead:

Partisan Ranger
August 7, 2004, 02:39 PM
Read elsewhere that Keyes will accept. Well, I was flat wrong!

Still don't get it though. I figure he has a 40% chance to win at best. Why IL?

Warner in VA is probably going to retire. I'd give my left #$% if Keyes would move to VA and run for Warner's seat!!!! And he'd win, sure as hell.

Jeff White
August 7, 2004, 05:59 PM
Breaking News: It's Keyes v. Obama

ATTEND KEYES RALLY THIS SUNDAY

Dr. Alan Keyes will announce his candidacy for the open Illinois Senate seat at a rally of supporters.

Date and Time: Sunday, August 8th, 2004 at 2:00 p.m.

Location: The Wellington Restaurant at 2121 S. Arlington Heights Road in Arlington Heights

We encourage you to be there to show your support for a great candidate.

Bring it on, Mr. Obama!
Jack Roeser, Chairman
Renew Illinois

I didn;t have any idea Renew Illinois existed until I got this in my e-mail. Might be a good alternative to the mainstream republican party in the state.

http://renewillinois.com/

Jeff

mrapathy2000
August 7, 2004, 07:21 PM
good luck with Keyes its too bad Ryan didnt stand up for himself,ex-wife&childrens privacy being invaded.

Keyes has one heck of an uphill battle. hope keyes show everyone what a good fight for office is.

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