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February 17, 2003, 06:57 PM
Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban
By Michael L. Betsch
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
February 17, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - A well-known gun maker recently introduced a powerful new hunting revolver that is said to have no equal in terms of firepower.

But within days of introducing the Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum at an industry-wide trade show in Florida, an anti-gun Democrat promised to seek a nationwide ban on the product.

"It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum, said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

Asked if he would seek a nationwide ban on the 500 Magnum, Davis replied, "Yes, indeed."

Billed as the "most powerful production revolver in the world today," S&W claims its new 500 Magnum cartridge produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum round, one of the most powerful sidearm cartridges available.

But Davis said the .50 caliber revolver, which weighs 72.5 ounces and has an overall length 15-inch has no purpose in society except to cause injury and death to humans, dismissing the manufacturer's claim that it is intended for hunting wild game.

He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beings, whereas rifles and shotguns are typically relegated to hunting animals.

"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said. "Those of us who live in big, urban centers have a different fear and a different take than some people who may live in different environments."

Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol than an effective hunting tool, at least in his congressional district. He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.

"If you live in a place like Chicago, and you know the amount of violence that is perpetrated by individuals who grow-up with the idea that having, handling and using a gun is a way-of-life in terms of establishing yourself on the streets or as part of the culture, then I'm afraid that many of these individuals will, in fact, acquire this weapon," Davis said.

"And, of course, the thing will be, 'I've got the most powerful piece on the block,'" he said.

Can a revolver be an assault weapon?

While Smith & Wesson's new five-round revolver is billed by the company as "the most powerful production revolver ever made," it's already being reclassified by some gun control advocates.

"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."

Currie compared the 500 Magnum to "military-style assault weapons," although she had no information to base her claims on except for a "tip" received from a reporter.

"I'm not a weapons expert, but it sounded like pretty strong firepower to me," Currie said. "The description I heard was that from a significant range you could fell a large bear."

She dismissed the notion that the 500 Magnum is a hunting revolver, but did equate it with mob violence.

"My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it -- in a crowded, urban area downtown street corners in the midst of people who are angry about something and developing the kind of range that means vandalism and mob action - whether this kind of weapon has any place," Currie said.

Like Davis, Currie said she would examine the prospects of making the sidearm illegal in the state.

"I'm going to look at the technology, as I say, and see if there is any way to specifically keep it from operating in the state of Illinois," Flynn said. "We are also working on efforts to ban military-style assault weapons, and, perhaps there is something about this technology that makes it possible to amend that legislation to include firepower like this."

Anti-gun message said to be flawed

Rifles are most commonly used for hunting, but many gun enthusiasts have also used smaller side arms for hunting, according to Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt, who corrected the claim by Davis that hunters don't use revolvers to shoot prey.

"He's quite ignorant because there are people who do," Pratt said. "I do know for a fact that people take large caliber handguns with them to go hunting. And, I have no doubt that if you were lucky enough to get close enough, you could take a deer down with a .44 Magnum, which until now, was the biggest gun around."

As far as Davis' contention that any would-be criminal could easily conceal the 500 Magnum, Pratt said, "Yeah, if you have a trench coat or something like that."

Asked if the 500 Magnum's predecessor, the .44 Magnum faced the same criticisms and threats by politicians upon its introduction in 1955, Pratt said the controversy over Smith and Wesson's latest offering appears to be a sign of the times.

"It was all sort of good clean fun when it was introduced, but we're 20 years further along the gun-hating sensitivity training," Pratt said. "We're talking about the frame of mind that opposes concealed carry by private citizens."

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Kobun
February 17, 2003, 07:23 PM
Please drop these people off in the middle of polarbear country. Give them the choice of; a knife, a 10 shot .22LR pistol or the new S&W 500MAG.
Give them a snowmobile that WILL break down after a while...
Then lets see what they pick to take care of their lifes.

The world isn't all about inner city gangs. Most of the world is still more or less wild and untamed.

Going to polarbear country I would have to do some comparison between the S&W 500 and a 44MAG.

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sctman800
February 17, 2003, 07:25 PM
I wonder if these people ever check any facts at all, they seem to think only gang bangers want hand guns, there is no other pur[pose for them. It didn't mention what district Danny Davis was from, but I will bet it is from the Chicago area. If he knew a little more about the state he would know we have a seperate hand gun season on deer. Of course not talking about the subject of guns without knowing the facts is unheard of for Chicago Democrats. It would be nice though, that way we wouldn't have to listen to them at all. Jim.

WonderNine
February 17, 2003, 07:39 PM
This article gave me alot of good laughs, but this was particularily amusing:

But Davis said the .50 caliber revolver, which weighs 72.5 ounces and has an overall length 15-inch has no purpose in society except to cause injury and death to humans, dismissing the manufacturer's claim that it is intended for hunting wild game.

He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beings, whereas rifles and shotguns are typically relegated to hunting animals.

Oh really? I didn't know that frontline soldiers were issued handguns as their primary weapon? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Blackhawk
February 17, 2003, 07:41 PM
Idiots!

Cactus
February 17, 2003, 08:04 PM
What is it, you antis? First it was small, easily concealable, low cost guns with high capacity mags.

Now they have a problem with a gun that weighs over 4.5 pounds, is 1.5 feet long, carries only 5 rounds and costs $1000.00.

Gee! I'm starting to think that they just don't like any kind of guns! :rolleyes:

alan
February 17, 2003, 08:16 PM
Kobun:

Personally, I believe I would opt for a rifle, nothing smaller than the 30-06. Maybe that is because I shot rifles long before handguns, and in my experience the Smith Model 29, with full power factory loads (240 grain), was a very harsh recoiling gun to fire. Think I would avoind, if possible, anything like what I suspect this new kid might be like.

Kobun
February 17, 2003, 08:28 PM
alan:

Of course I'd take a rifle when I go. "A handgun is for fighting your way back to your rifle".
Sometimes you need two hands, and having a rifle over your sholder is cumbersome.

I still don't have that .44, but it will be in place in a sholder holster in good time to get some practice with the setup. :)

TNX for your thoughtfulness! :)

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WalHam
February 17, 2003, 08:59 PM
"He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beings, whereas rifles and shotguns are typically relegated to hunting animals."

Dahh! This just goes to show how un-educated these Anti-Gun politicians really are. :rolleyes:

trapshooter
February 17, 2003, 09:59 PM
Yep. Your Mariner's are safe. They're only for hunting, after all. 00 Buck is great for quail! Slugs are better for honkers. More range.

Let's see. How many ways are there for anti's to express thier stupidity?

Ans. An apparently infinite number, as they keep coming up with more every day.

twoblink
February 18, 2003, 12:12 AM
Errr...

Nobody NEEDS SUV's. Nobody NEEDS expensive radios, hell, nobody NEEDS food!!

I learned that in Econ class too! There aren't needs, only wants. You don't need food, the only reason you need it is because you WANT to survive....

These people need to stop being such commies and let the market decide what people want...

Tamara
February 18, 2003, 12:50 AM
My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it

Well, from a strictly technical standpoint, yes it is, in much the same way that a Barrett M82 or a punt gun is a "shoulder weapon"...

ahadams
February 18, 2003, 01:16 AM
I think the point is that the antis have been desperate to grab any topic for publicity's sake. Beyond that, their ignorance has led them to attack S&W now that it's no longer 'safely' controled by antigunners.

oh well *yawn* I guess we'll see how long this one lasts before they realize they're being ignored again.

Carbon_15
February 18, 2003, 01:21 AM
Currie compared the 500 Magnum to "military-style assault weapons," although she had no information to base her claims on except for a "tip" received from a reporter.
HAHAHA..what an idiot. How did this lady ever make public office. She "had no information" but managed to form an opinion and give a lengthy statment..WHAT!!!

"My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it -- in a crowded, urban area downtown street corners in the midst of people who are angry about something and developing the kind of range that means vandalism and mob action - whether this kind of weapon has any place Translation..anybody?



BTW, can someone please explain that firepower refers to having a high capacity. A tube-feed Marlin model 60 .22 has 3 times the firepower of the new S&W revolver.

Bob Locke
February 18, 2003, 04:33 AM
"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."
Another person who gets her history from Hollywierd. :rolleyes:

The "Wild West" was a place where murder was MUCH less frequent than in modern America (take Chicago, for instance). And that was because if you drew down on someone they were likely to draw back, along with several other law-abiding folks in the general vicinity.

This lady needs to get educated, and soon.

"My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it -- in a crowded, urban area downtown street corners in the midst of people who are angry about something and developing the kind of range that means vandalism and mob action - whether this kind of weapon has any place," Currie said.
Well, if you own a shop or property in the affected area and the cops just pack it in and leave (which they have been known to do when mobs get TOO large), then I'd say WHATEVER weapon you have handy most certainly has a "place". And that "place" would be in your hands.

The amount of dis- and misinformation is overwhelming.

Marshall
February 18, 2003, 04:42 AM
I'm no weapons expert, said Curry

Then become one before you open your idiot mouth! Grrrrrrrrrr

Or, better yet, go away and do something that makes sense, like become republican or resign! :banghead:

yesterdaysyouth
February 18, 2003, 10:32 AM
You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said

uuuhhh??? i take 2....

prisoner6
February 18, 2003, 10:45 AM
"He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs."


Concealability? I could conceal it....in a closet. I'm more worried about the muscles the "urban gangs" will make stronger just lugging this monster around.

cslinger
February 18, 2003, 11:37 AM
1st I know how to shoot and I wouldn't necessarily go out of my way to shoot this beast.

2nd, I would love to see some gangbanger pop off a round holding this beast sideways, one handed. Pure comedy I tell you. The only safe place would be in front of him.

3rd, I am sure that your average low life thief, banger or whatever is going to take the time to find .500 MAG ammo. Yeah it will be just as easy to get as 9mm. That is assuming that they will even know what type of ammo to use which leads me to 4.

4th, on the off chance some of these fall into the wrong hands from theft or what not chances are the idiot who stole it will just try jamming a .357 or .45 or whatever in the revolver and then be angry or injured when it doesn't work. In the trash it will go.

5th, how come these people get paid to talk out of their proverbial a......well you get the point. I mean I was always taught in school that you had to research and show proof of it in your arguments. Lord I hope S&W doesn't release a black one.

6th, Somebody really needs to assault one of these fine upstanding politicians with portable circular saw or hammer or glass bottle of Coca Cola. I don't mean to actually commit an act of violence but just to give them a scare to show them that, HELLO I can kill you just as dead with this here number two pencil and it didn't cost $1500.

I hope this causes a buying frenzy of these weapons. I hope Clint Eastwood makes a movie with one of these bad boys. I hope they give them away as door prizes at the local Kindergarten, ok maybe that is going a bit far but you get the point.

72 onces geez that thing would probably make a more dangerous club than a firearm to somebody not trained.

"This is a Smith and Wesson .500 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the Galaxy. It will blow your torso clean off your body before your legs even hit the ground. So are ya feeling like helping me lift this beast, well are ya punk?"

meathammer
February 18, 2003, 02:52 PM
I couldn't help but laugh. I just got a mental image of a gang banger hanging out of the window of a moving car, trying to shoot the .50 Smith "carriage style". What a joke. Crooks want something they can conceal, besides the thing costs $1000!

chickenfried
February 18, 2003, 03:04 PM
The funny thing is I was trying to decide wether or not to join the NRA. After reading the article it made me decision easy and yesterday I became a lifetime member. Then I sent Danny Davis a letter thanking him for making up my mind to join the NRA so my money can go to getting rid of politicians like him that are either liars or ignorant.

ball3006
February 18, 2003, 03:05 PM
my Thompson Contender pistol in 45/70 caliber that I have owned for 15 years. With modern loadings it is satisfactory for elephant and buffalo. If the cops in Chicago would get their duff out of the donut shops and enforce the laws on the books Chicago would not have such a problem. But then again, Chicago has been governed by democraps since time began and now they are sleeping in the bed they have made....chris3

TarpleyG
February 18, 2003, 03:14 PM
Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol than an effective hunting tool, at least in his congressional district. He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.
Caus' they could afford them, right. Just like you see them all running around now with IMI Desert Eagle .50s which was the last hip hand cannon to come around.

GT

P12
February 18, 2003, 03:22 PM
I couldn't help but laugh. I just got a mental image of a gang banger hanging out of the window of a moving car, trying to shoot the .50 Smith "carriage style". What a joke. My mental image is really funny.

I see a gang-banger digging the hammer spur out of his forhead.:D Or better yet out of his cheek bone from firing side-ways.:D :D

I would pay good money to see that!:evil:

Felonious Monk
February 18, 2003, 03:34 PM
He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beingsI am comforted to know that this statement, in general, is specifically designed to make the rest of us aware of terminal stupidity on the part of the originator. :uhoh: :rolleyes:

Edward429451
February 18, 2003, 04:18 PM
Thats soooo stupid that it made me wonder if it wasnt really designed to stir the market for S&W, making people think "I better go buy one quick while I still can". Free advertising. Induced sales (aimed at the gangbanger market, no less!).

S&W's getting their back scratched right now. Its bound to become a collectable.

I'll stick with my poormans used Ruger.

Nightcrawler
February 18, 2003, 06:55 PM
I don't understand the flap about this. The .500S&W edges out things like .454 Casull, .475 and .500 Linebaugh, apparently, but I'm willing to bet that it's not by an extreme amount (at least, not extremely more powerful than .500 Linebaugh). And it's still not as powerful as a Magnum Reserach BFR .45-70 loaded with super-hot hunting loads (being that they have all that case volume and are rifle rounds).

Nobody squaked when Freedom Arms introduced a revolver in .500 Linebaugh, or other big 5-shooters. Nobody cried "the sky is falling" when .454 Casull made it big.

So why this now? Is it because the new Smith is getting all of this press?

4thHorseman
February 18, 2003, 07:39 PM
What's he worried about. It's almost impossible to own a gun in Chicago anyways. Oh...thats right, only the law abiding citizens that applies to. A BG paying $1000 for a gun, probably $2 a bullet, $10 for the range to be able to shoot half way decent, ........ darn why not use a 44 mag.......oh they don't because it's to darn big....... uhm, lets see here...... how much sense does a BG having a 50 cal make?
Come on, give me a break Davis.

Edward429451
February 19, 2003, 12:08 PM
So why this now? Is it because the new Smith is getting all of this press?

Can you say 'Market manipulation?"

Govt,: "Honor your agreement."

S&W,: "What do we get out of it?"

Govt,: "How bout if we could boost sales of your new big one, make it an expensive collectable instead of a semi expensive production gun?"

S&W,: "Franklin Mint?"

Govt.,: "At least."

So instead of coming down to 700 or so in the next few years, it'll go up to 5 or 10 grand for 'The worlds most powerful production revolver that almost never was"

Wonder if Mike's going to buy one?

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