If Bush Wins


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ryoushi
August 9, 2004, 02:27 PM
Given the tone of this year's presidential campaign and the lengths liberals are going to this year, I can't help but forsee violence in some areas should Bush win. Keep your powder dry.

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iamkris
August 9, 2004, 02:31 PM
Violence? Don't know but the emotions certainly won't ebb...

http://www.nationalreview.com/novak/novak200408091054.asp

Shooter 2.5
August 9, 2004, 02:50 PM
That's wishful thinking. There isn't going to be any reprecussions from the other side.
I'll tell you what. The libs will finally start civil unrest when they totally stop their quest for gun control. In the meantime, it's the conservatives who know how to defend themselves.

dshimm
August 9, 2004, 02:52 PM
I can't help but forsee violence in some areas should Bush win.

And I guess that's the difference between them and us. If Horse-face wins, lots of us will be pretty unhappy (who's kidding whom - we hate Lurch as much as they hate the President, except we don't act out like first graders), but I can't see any violence on our part (even though we are the ones with the guns).

My wife is in grad school at the University of Chicago, and though she supports the President, she won't have a Bush-Cheney sticker on her car for fear that it will be vandalized. And again, to show the difference between them and us, can you really imagine a vehicle with a John-John sticker being vandalized even in the depths of Red America?

R.H. Lee
August 9, 2004, 02:57 PM
Violence by liberals???

HAHAHAHA! They're too wimpy to do anything but whine.

ryoushi
August 9, 2004, 03:11 PM
Violence by liberals???

People who feel they need liberals in power to provide for them (Help is on the way!!) are only too willing to resort to violence.

From Novak's article:
To repeat my main theme: Democrats are confident about a victory this year. Maybe they are right. Still, if, as I anticipate, President Bush wins solidly in 2004, many people will be profoundly unhappy. As one wrote, "First we will vote, then if we lose, we will fight." If such passions win out, it could be ugly.

Shooter 2.5
August 9, 2004, 03:28 PM
They're too lazy to fight. If they didn't do it during the 2000 election, they aren't going to do it this time.

2nd Amendment
August 9, 2004, 03:34 PM
Keep in mind that at most rallys regarding gun rights or abortion it is, usually, the leftys that initiate the physical violence. I can't say if I really expect violence or not when Kerry loses but I will say it wouldn't shock me.

DigitalWarrior
August 9, 2004, 03:41 PM
As proof of the harmlessness of the left, look at how the huggabunch commies never messed with the czar, or the ELF never actually did anything, nor have animal liberation people been able to actually do anything.

Then look at the right wing rednecks who burnt down Watts and South Central LA.

Shalako
August 9, 2004, 03:51 PM
I hope this is on topic for the thread, but I had two disturbing interactions with lefties this weekend that speak to this topic.

In a discussion with the step-mom (lefty) she said she found a flyer on the ground when cleaning up at a major college campus where she works (janitorial/maint). The flyer is kind of secretive but says that there is a major groundswell of pissed off college professors and poli sci types that want to bring on some momentous change in our gov't/society. The flyer says that presently things are way out of balance and something needs to be done. More waterwells in Africa and food for the poor, etc.

Later, I had a discussion with a house guest, wife's longtime friend, who is an academic that studies english lit with a fascination in sociallism. :rolleyes: I tell her about this disturbing flyer and she says she is way down with that. Things are just too out of balance and we need to spend more money on the poor and get everyone some free healthcare.

I think these socialist college academics are coming to some sort of boiling point. All the common sense in the world has no effect on their pie in the sky idealism. I mentioned to my mom and this gal that if they really want more emphasis put on their pet concerns they can whip out their own checkbook and pay up. They don't need to raid my wallet for their pet causes. But since libs always know better how to implement their social -(re)order, they will never see the light of reason. They want everyone else to pay for what they think is best.

If Bush wins, expect more Weather Underground type idiots, big time.

Erich
August 9, 2004, 04:23 PM
Not in a million years.

They haven't the huevos, knowledge or organizational ability.

Gordon Fink
August 9, 2004, 04:25 PM
Only if G. W. Bush “wins” through suspended elections or some other such chicanery—and probably not even then.

~G. Fink

HankB
August 9, 2004, 04:28 PM
It's the hard Left that's planning to disrupt the GOP Convention.

Note, I said disrupt, not protest at.

They plan to do things like sprinkle gunpowder around the area and on themselves, to make bomb-sniffers (both canine and mechanical) overload.

They plan to throw marbles on the pavement under the hooves of police horses. They're considering smearing themselves with excrement to make police reluctant to grab them.

The funding of some of these . . . people . . . has been tied to foundations supported by Teresa Heinz Kerry.

And the dominant media doesn't care . . . JUST IMAGINE if people with a conservative bent did any of this at the democRATic convention?

"Intolerance" is becoming synonymous with "liberal" in this country . . . and I fear it will soon become "violent intolerance." That's why I don't have NRA stickers on my car - I worry about some lefty slashing my tires.

DigitalWarrior
August 9, 2004, 04:29 PM
Eriche,
Are you aware that they have done so in the past, and that they continue to do so in other countries?

Are you seriously suggesting that a group that says "Workers of the world, Unite!" has no organizational ability?

Are you aware that these guys are typically reading as much as we shoot?

Eggs come from the belief that what you are doing is right. They will have more eggs that the easter bunny.

R.H. Lee
August 9, 2004, 04:37 PM
Then look at the right wing rednecks who burnt down Watts and South Central LA

And here all the time I thought it was just an out of control mob with criminal intent. I never realized they had leftist political motivations.

Thank you for clearing that up. :rolleyes:

Shalako
August 9, 2004, 04:49 PM
I doubt there were many looters and burners that voted for republican candidates......

Dannyboy
August 9, 2004, 05:25 PM
Then look at the right wing rednecks who burnt down Watts and South Central LA

And here all the time I thought it was just an out of control mob with criminal intent. I never realized they had leftist political motivations.

Now, I realize sarcasm doesn't work very well on these boards but come on, man. If you can't see the sarcasm in that first statement then you have serious issues.

DigitalWarrior
August 9, 2004, 05:26 PM
And here all the time I thought it was just an out of control mob with criminal intent. I never realized they had leftist political motivations.
I should have spoke more clearly. The capacity for viloence is not restricted to those that fall within the reactionary wing of the political spectrum. The looters lived in areas that would vote by a heavy margin as democrats. I also do not

I was making the statement that people on the left are capable of great violence.

Zundfolge
August 9, 2004, 05:42 PM
Violence from liberals?

HA HA HA

Bring it on hippies!

/me gets a case of Shiner Bock to enjoy the show ... should be a hoot :neener:

Black Snowman
August 9, 2004, 05:52 PM
Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst, is my standard modus operandi :)

Lets try to make the best happen. I'll work to insure these folks freedom and the freedom of their descendants dispite their best efforts to enslave themselves and the rest of us with them.

deej
August 9, 2004, 06:35 PM
Along the same lines...

I've always thought it was ironic that the same people who view Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, et al. as a bunch of fascist tyrants, are often the same people who want the gummint to have a monopoly on weaponry.

You'd think the Demos would be the first ones to OPPOSE gun control.

nero45acp
August 9, 2004, 06:38 PM
I think the biggest violence will come from democratic lawyers fighting over courthouse parking spots, when they go to court to contest Bush's victory.:evil:





nero

Monkeyleg
August 9, 2004, 06:51 PM
Anyone who went to one of the Million Moron Marches in 2000 saw the potential for violence from the liberals. In Chicago the police had to keep the "peaceniks" from attacking us. One guy was so red in the face that I figured he was either going to have a stroke, or just shake off the two cops restraining him and injure one of us.

Don't underestimate their potential for violence, most especially when they're in groups.

Unisaw
August 9, 2004, 07:17 PM
They're considering smearing themselves with excrement to make police reluctant to grab them.


Uh....Yeah! That's what they should do! :D

Gordon Fink
August 9, 2004, 07:22 PM
I doubt there were many looters and burners that voted for republican candidates.…

Actually, I doubt many of them voted at all.

~G. Fink

Shanghai McCoy
August 9, 2004, 07:53 PM
Funny,all that anger and vitriolic speechifying at the democratic convention and no counter crowd protesting outside.Now we hear about all the "Anti" fill in the blank usual suspects planning to disrupt the republican convention.So,who exactly is the party that is so "tolerant"?....

R.H. Lee
August 9, 2004, 08:38 PM
They're considering smearing themselves with excrement to make police reluctant to grab them.

Fire hoses work great for mob control.

Standing Wolf
August 9, 2004, 08:42 PM
I think these socialist college academics are coming to some sort of boiling point.

Steam. I don't mind if they steam. If they steam long enough, they'll melt.

capt_happypants
August 9, 2004, 09:33 PM
I fully expect violence from the moonbat left.

If one believes that BushCheneyHalliburtonJoooos! is about to load up the trains and send off dissenters to a modern-day Auschwitz, a Bush reelection will push a few of them off into insanity.

With the amount of money being poured into organizations like the ISM, MoveOn, and International ANSWER, and the sheer lunacy of some of their members, expect the next major terrorist strike to be committed by radical leftists.

It'll be like the 1970s, without the drugs.

Lobotomy Boy
August 9, 2004, 10:17 PM
I wouldn't worry too much. While there might be a few scattered whackos pulling SLA-type BS, it won't be organized on a scale that represents a threat. Someone mentioned the organizing abilities of the Communist party. How has that been working out for them? They've been at it for a century, and near as I can tell, they haven't won a whole lot of U.S. converts over that period.

Of course all this won't matter to those few unfortunate victims of such scattered violence, but it won't be a threat to our national security.

capt_happypants
August 9, 2004, 10:27 PM
Watch how many howling moonbats show up at the GOP convention in New York.

Figure that 1-2% of them may turn violent after a (possible) Bush victory.

It only takes a few, but with the right training, equipment, and financing, they can cause havoc. I would point to that smoking crater in Manhattan as exhibit A.

VaniB.
August 9, 2004, 10:51 PM
Don't underestimate their potential for violence, most especially when they're in groups.

Violence? Really? I thought they only get violent with metal trash cans and storefront windows. (metal trash thrown cans set on fire and thrown through storefront windows)

I though when it would come down to standing up and fighting for what they truly believe in, the majority of them would rather talk their way out of a hostile situation, unless of course from a distance they could throw a rock at you, or toss the tear gas canister back across the police line. I really believe if it came down to the point where true Americans declared that enough is enough, and civil unrest became the order of the day in reclaiming this country away from the liberals, they wouldn't have the stomach to stand one-on-one against you.

Their battle cry "I'm a lover not a fighter" would never win any war.
They are threatening in groups you say? What do they do...... Chan't "We are the World" in harmony while they break three storefront windows instead of one?

2nd Amendment
August 9, 2004, 11:21 PM
OTOH if one wants to posit a worst case scenerio: Terrorist event or events sparks serious panic in the US, Bush wins and (whether it's true or not) all the left claims it's purely because of the terrorist event(or that the terrorist event was planned by Bush...the left would say that.) and/or based on vote fraud. Then we add THEIR violence to the looming threat of another terrorist event...

That's worst case and probably not overly likely but it could play out that way. If so then things would become...interesting... Game it out a little and it becomes easy to create an entirely plausible snowball effect.

Selfdfenz
August 10, 2004, 01:12 AM
Until now it hadn't occured to me that "Rock the Vote" might involve real rocks.
I thought they were just being hip.


S-

GSB
August 10, 2004, 11:54 AM
I've always thought it was ironic that the same people who view Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, et al. as a bunch of fascist tyrants, are often the same people who want the gummint to have a monopoly on weaponry.

You might be surprised how many of the really FAR leftists are on our side in that respect. Head on over to DemocraticUnderground. You'll find plenty of Che types who are convinced the revolution is at hand and oppose gun control as vehemently as anyone here.

Lobotomy Boy
August 10, 2004, 12:16 PM
I suspect the membership in groups like the Democratic Underground is a small percentage of the membership of groups like the NRA. Still, I think you have something here. I believe the only thing that would lead to a large scale armed revolt in this country would be the government confiscation of privately owned weapons. If the government attempted that, I believe we would be fighting right alongside those Democratic Underground folks.

mrapathy2000
August 10, 2004, 08:23 PM
wouldnt put it past a radical lib. look at them they are foaming at the mouth with hatred at parties.

would love to see the boys in blue with theyre bats n hats and mr firehose when those varmints attack.

nice keg of beer on highrise apartment or rooftop. not to high to miss the action.

on them not doing anything cause of Al gore losing. wait for this year. bet they will blow theyre tops if it continues to be close and bush wins.

Rebar
August 10, 2004, 08:35 PM
Someone mentioned the organizing abilities of the Communist party. How has that been working out for them?
They have managed to murder well over 100 million people.

Of course, the left much prefers killing defenseless people, rather than a stand up fight. Funny how they support "gun control", eh?

MPFreeman
August 10, 2004, 10:00 PM
I remember how angry the gun forums were during the 2000 election. After eight years of getting screwed by the RENOs and krew, many on our side were talking about 'voting from the rooftops'. I remember so many threads on gun forums about Revolution and civil war if Gore won. I understand. Many of our guys didn't like being considered a criminal or suspisious person for merely enjoying firearms. Which is Constitutionally protected! Many of us were disgusted with AmeriKa when gun owners were daily discarded into the trash, and considered something that is WRONG with AmeriKa.

Now there is a new boss, same as the old boss, in The White House. The game hasn't changed but those feeling the heat has. Gun owners are not feeling the heat as much today as we were four or five years ago. Today we are counting down till the AW ban sunsets! Yet the fed.gov is putting the heat on the left.

In 2000 the left didn't go violent after Bush won, because they had grown complacent a little because they had been in power for eight years. Just as the right has grown complacent being in power in both congress and the white house for four years. In 2000 the right was galvenized because the right wanted anybody other than a democrat. In 2004 the left wants anybody but bush.

Depending on the scenerio of how the election plays out. Bush wins, charges of e-voting hacking and maybe a terrorist attack which the left will play as a Bush Conspiracy. If it goes down like that, the hard left could go violent quickly. COULD go violent. I stress COULD. But many are very upset on the left that the fed.gov isn't stressing their ideals. They see a right leaning government with Patriot Act like powers and conspiracy and paranoid thinking comes quickly after. If Kerry wins and appoints another Reno type with Patriot Act power we'll see 'voting from the rooftop' threads here within a short time. Our paranoid thinking will go into overdrive. As we are already a paranoid bunch. Look at the groups supporting the Democrats, La Raza, Answer, Moveon, etc. The Left is sympothetic to if not fully in bed with these groups thinking. And our nation's policy will reflect this thinking. :uhoh: What would our temperature be in 2008 if Kerry wins?

SUE ROVR
August 10, 2004, 10:26 PM
Team Bush are ruthless, they WILL win. Any means necessary.

Don't worry :)



As far as terrorist threats, the far right is better motivated and better equiped than the far left. Only if the political spectrum swings back will there be an internal threat (a la Oklahoma City, anti-fed, anti-ATF, etc.)

Lobotomy Boy
August 10, 2004, 10:54 PM
Rebar, I was talking about the Communist party in America. I thought that was obvious.

joe sixpack
August 10, 2004, 10:57 PM
capt_happypants posted:It'll be like the 1970s, without the drugs.

No, the mood altering drugs are still there, only they are Xanax, Prozac, and Zoloft instead of marijuana, LSD and speed, and they are sold over the counter.

cheers, ab

Rebar
August 11, 2004, 12:05 AM
Rebar, I was talking about the Communist party in America.
They are just waiting their turn to up the bodycount.

Monkeyleg
August 11, 2004, 12:10 AM
There's been some mention of the 1970's here regarding what the left might do.

We should remember the Panthers, the SDS, the Symbionese Liberation Army (where the hell was Symbia, anyway?) and other groups.

I had some high school friends who joined the Communist Party. They left after deciding the Communists were too mainstream, and formed their own groups.

These folks were armed to the hilt, and held the position that many on gun forums hold now: come and get 'em.

The problem is that these former Communists have formed "community associations" and other taxpayer-funded, do-nothing foundations where the sole intent is to provide said former Communists with a nice paycheck.

These leeches aren't about to go violent and upset the gravy dish. But there are others much younger who think just like they did 30 years ago.

Lobotomy Boy
August 11, 2004, 08:16 AM
Since the 1980s the U.S. Communist party has been almost completely destroyed. I went to school with a few old-time Communist party members, and they were the most ridiculous people I've ever met. A bunch of aging hippies sitting around with their guitars singing "Solidarity Forever." I didn't talk with them much, but I don't think they took Perostroyka (sp?) and the fall of the Berlin Wall all that well. They sure as hell weren't drawing any new recruits. I'd guess that the youngest members in that particular college town are pushing 60 by now.

I just had a 6-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon-type link to a famous Communist. In the alumni newsletter for my school I was listed as one of three notable authors from my college English department. The other two were Maxwell Anderson and the Communist poet Tom McGrath.

Stebalo
August 11, 2004, 08:53 AM
If Bush wins again, Kerry will use a cadre of lawyers to sue and question the election. Even if it is a landslide, they will sue. Why? Even if they question the results in only 1 or 2 urban counties, they can try to delegitimize the Bush presidency-again with claims of racism, fixing the election, etc. Even if it is a blatent lie, they will try to cast a cloud over another 4 years of Bush. Despite the fact that the UN has been invited to come monitor our elections already like some third world banana republic.

Nick_90
August 11, 2004, 10:49 AM
Being a Swiss citizen I am not directly concerned by the November election. However, I believe that if President Bush is reelected (which I hope) the left will never ever accept the result. If they don't succed in stealing the election like they tried to do last time they'll say Bush cheated and cause unrest or at least organise stupid marches (like the Million Stupid Mum's) to "defend democracy". Those people never can take no for an answer!
The larger Bush's majority the more difficult it will be for them to say he cheated... So mobilize your family and friends, get them out to vote to make sure theres no "horrible surprise" on November 2nd!

Selfdfenz
August 11, 2004, 04:11 PM
Nick_90

We could use more people like you over here. I hope you will consider that the compliment I intended it to be.

Best wishes,
S-

ryoushi
August 11, 2004, 04:58 PM
Nick_90

Being a Swiss citizen I am not directly concerned by the November election. However, I believe that if President Bush is reelected (which I hope) the left will never ever accept the result. If they don't succed in stealing the election like they tried to do last time they'll say Bush cheated and cause unrest or at least organise stupid marches (like the Million Stupid Mum's) to "defend democracy". Those people never can take no for an answer!

Excellent, that's why every conservative needs to vote for Bush instead of trying to send a message by voting for a third party candidate. I'm in California and no way will my state go for Bush, but my vote will count in the popular vote. Win or lose the more popular votes Bush gets the better. If he loses and it's real close no mandate for Kerry. If Bush wins by a 5 or more points, the Libs look very bad trying to raise a stink about a stolen election.

Treylis
August 11, 2004, 09:42 PM
Excellent, that's why every conservative needs to vote for Bush instead of trying to send a message by voting for a third party candidate. I'm in California and no way will my state go for Bush, but my vote will count in the popular vote. Win or lose the more popular votes Bush gets the better. If he loses and it's real close no mandate for Kerry. If Bush wins by a 5 or more points, the Libs look very bad trying to raise a stink about a stolen election.

Oh, good heavens. It's not like those popular-vote arguments are anything but preaching to the converted diehards anyways. It's not "better" if Bush gets more popular votes, it's useless and just encouragement for the Republicans to go from left to lefter.

Vote your conscience and think longer-range than just the next election.

Kaylee
August 11, 2004, 10:22 PM
Excellent analysis from MPFreeman I think.

I also tend to agree that the hard-core left is going to scream fraud should Bush win in 2004, regardless of what happens. I'm honestly suspecting a Reagan-Mondale like result, with an electoral landslide for Bush and a (much) more modest win with the popular vote. The sheer scale of the landslide electorally will be impossible for the hardcore left to accept as anything BUT fraud, even if it's a natural consequence of the way the electoral college is structured. 2000 showed us most folks dont know (and don't care to know) how the system works, especially if they don't like the result.

Time will tell, of course.

So far as Libs and violence.. I think this goes deeper than just 2000, though that's a big part of the virulance of it today. Most of the ideals of modern liberal thought had their heyday in the 1970's, collapsed flat in the 80's, had a pale watered-down shadow of a resurgence in the Clinton era, and have ever since faded farther from the limelight. The bills from that kind of policy are adding up, and adding up, and coming due to the point that fewer and fewer people can escape disillusionment after their first 1040 comes back.

I honestly believe that the modern left is raging against the dying of their light, as it were. Will it be violent? At times, in places... but no more that the occasional WTO protest or the like I'd say.

-K

Bruce H
August 11, 2004, 10:52 PM
Some have had four years for this hate to feter and consume them. How many will George Soros finance. This won't be over after the november elections. Hope for the best but expect and prepair for the worst is good advice. Like Y2K, if nothing happens everybody gets to go to the range without reloading for a few trips.

MJRW
August 11, 2004, 11:05 PM
So what? We're better armed and better practiced.

2nd Amendment
August 11, 2004, 11:26 PM
Oh, good heavens. It's not like those popular-vote arguments are anything but preaching to the converted diehards anyways. It's not "better" if Bush gets more popular votes, it's useless and just encouragement for the Republicans to go from left to lefter.

I would say the opposite is much more likely. The Dems are running their most leftist candidate ever. He's bringing along a fellow almost as leftist as himself. if they lose it's a dent in the leftist control of the Dem party. if they lose BIG it's an undeniable comment on the current party leadership and how out of touch it is with the mainstream. It's also a note to the Repubs that conservative policies do work and resonate, despite the bellowing of a small number of rich leftys like Soros. OTOH a Dem victory, especially a solid one, strengthens the far-left's hold on the Dems and sends a message to Rerpubs that if they want to be viable they too have to move farther left.

Vote your conscience and think longer-range than just the next election.

Some of us are thinking ahead. That doesn't alter the practical aspects of THIS election. Voting ones conscience may well put Kerry in office and that narrows future options while seriously damaging freedom.

Monkeyleg
August 11, 2004, 11:35 PM
Bruce H: "How many will George Soros finance."

If I had the kind of money that Soros can afford to throw into this race, I would do exactly this: have open bars in every major city in the country from 7am to 8pm; hire people to cruise the colleges and inner cities in vans offering rides to the parties; buy closed-loop tapes for the VCR's at the bars that say Kerry has won, and that there's a really bad snowstorm outside, so stay in the bar and be happy.

Soros has already spent $16 million. That's a lot of free beers. In fact, it's almost double what Anheuser-Busch did in gross sales in the first six months of this year.

Strings
August 12, 2004, 01:10 AM
Dick... there are times I think it's good you're on OUR side...

Selfdfenz
August 12, 2004, 07:34 AM
If Bush wins......?

Is it all that unlikely we will get some new gun control legislation in Term 2?
Say an new version of the AWB late in Term 2?

Is it all that likely he finally,ever, WILL get ANY of his supreme court appointments?

We can be sure of one thing. We will get millions of illegals from Mexico into some kind of numerially uncapped program wherein they have most of the benefits of citizenship and none of the responsibilities. And .gov will have an excuse once and for all to never look for these outlaws again.....see, they now have a program.

Hmmmmm?


He may be better than Lurch but only to a small extent.

Upside
W will do something to trouble the Islamic terrorists, not enough mayby, but much more than Lurch who will do virtually nothing meaningful.


S-

ClonaKilty
August 12, 2004, 07:58 AM
I believe that if President Bush is reelected (which I hope) the left will never ever accept the result.

I have to say you're the only European I've met who wants Bush to win...and I work with many from the EU. Just out of curiosity, why do you hope Bush wins?

Nick_90
August 12, 2004, 09:22 AM
Because I believe his foreign policy, althoug sometimes clumsy, is basically correct. I do not think appeasement is the right thing to do in 2004, just as it wasn't the right thing in 1938. If nobody tackles the so-called rogue countries they will one day menace world peace. Senator Kerry hasn't the strengh necessary or the courage to conduct a proactive foreign policy...
And as to the home front, I don't believe a Kerry administration would take the right economic or social decisions for the good of the USA...

DevilDog
August 12, 2004, 11:01 AM
I do not think appeasement is the right thing to do in 2004, just as it wasn't the right thing in 1938. If nobody tackles the so-called rogue countries they will one day menace world peace.

Now here is a man who understands the big picture.

ClonaKilty
August 12, 2004, 01:16 PM
Nick_90, how many of your countrymen/women share the same opinion?

(you're not by any chance an expat American, are you?)

I'm curious about this since you basically share my view yet I'd not met a European who did until now.

mrapathy2000
August 12, 2004, 02:55 PM
quote:
I do not think appeasement is the right thing to do in 2004, just as it wasn't the right thing in 1938. If nobody tackles the so-called rogue countries they will one day menace world peace.


Now here is a man who understands the big picture.

bigger picture should take account of China and North Korea. china is worlds largest Importer of weaponry. not just small arms, everything they can get. missiles,warships,diesel and nuclear submarines capable of launching missiles off coast of california providing they get anywhere near it,electronic suites for ships and aircraft. download everything they can off net. doubt they are planning peacefull mueseums for the gear either. copying every piece of technology,reverse engineering it and gearing for theyre own production. wonder how much gear and troops a oil or cargo tanker could hold. be a nice trojan horse. perhaps turn a monster of a cargo vessel into a dedicated missile ship. hundreds of missiles with a variety of warheads.

looks like they have already considered it.
http://www.china-defense.com/commentary/armed_cargo_ships/armed_cargo_ships01.html

Nick_90
August 16, 2004, 11:57 AM
I am not an expat but simply a Swiss cititen... No, most of my countrymen do not share my opinion. They are manipulated by our media which, with rare exceptions, tends to portray Bush as a stupid, dishonest war-monger. Exactly the same they used to say about President Reagan...

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