I am John Kerry


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Shooter 2.5
August 10, 2004, 08:26 AM
I am John Kerry.

I was against the first Iraq war, I am against the second Iraq war, but I voted for it. Now I'm against it but I was for it. I support the UN. I'm against terrorism and against the Iraq war. But I voted for the Iraq war. So, I voted against the first war and supported the second war, wait...

I'm against gay marriage but for gay unions. I support gays but think the SF mayor is wrong. I support gay marriages. No, wait, gay unions.

I'm Catholic. Wait, I'm Jewish. My dad was Jewish. But I was raised Catholic. What am I? I don't want to confuse people.

I am for abortions, but wait, I'm Catholic, and Catholics are pro-life. But I might consider putting pro-life judges in office, but I'm not sure. I do know I voted for a pro-life judge, but I stated that it was a mistake.

I went to Vietnam. But I was against Vietnam. I testified against fellow US troops in Vietnam, threw my medals away and led others to do the same. But I am a war hero. Against the war.

I stated I threw my medals away then I threw my ribbons away. I then revealed that I threw my ribbons away but not my medals, then lately I stated that I threw someone else's medals away and never threw anything of mine away.

I believe Ribbons and medals aren't the same thing. Medals come with ribbons, so now I believe that ribbons and medals are the same thing besides the fact that ribbons are cloth and medals are medal.

I wrote a book that pictured the US flag upside-down on its cover. But now I fly and campaign in a plane with a large flag right-side up on it. But sometimes, we fly upside-down for fun.

Yasser Arafat is a hero and a statesman. Th e Israelis shouldn't kill Palestinian terrorists, but they should stop terrorism. Yasser Arafat is a terrorist supporter. I support Mideast peace.

I am for the common man, unlike Bush. I am against the rich. But my family is worth 500 million dollars has a jet and many SUVs. I am the common man.

I am against sending jobs overseas. My wife is a Heinz heir, which Heinz has most factories offshore. I am against rewarding companies for exporting jobs as long as it is not Heinz.

I own $1 million in Wal-Mart stock. I believe Wal-Mart is evil by driving small business owners out of town. I am a capitalist and I own part of Wal-Mart but I am a good guy for small corporate America.

I own SUVs when I talk to my followers in Detroit, MI. Teresa owns SUVs, I don't, when I talk to tree hugging followers. I have a campaign jet that gets 1/3 mpg, which is great fuel efficiency.

I am against making military service an issue in presidential elections. I defended a draft dodger Clinton and stated that all serve in their own capacity whether they draft dodge or not. Did I mention, I served in Vietnam and am a hero? Are you questioning my patriotism? I served in Vietnam. My opponent didn't. I have three purple hearts! I am a hero. I am qualified to run this country since I served.

I spent christmas of 1968 in Cambodia, being shot at by the drunken South Vietnamese and the Khmer Rouge, while president Nixon was lying to the country and saying that there were no troops in Cambodia. What's that you say, nixon wasn't president in 1968, well it must have been some other president then. Who was that president with the a phony silver star, it was probably him.

Are you sure the Khmer Rouge were not active until 1970, well I guess I must not have been there then. That's right I was actually in my basecamp in Vietnam at least 55 miles from the Cambodian border and I spent the evening writing in my journal about being in Cambodia. I got confused after i said it so many times between 1968 and 1986.

I am a real hero though, just spend three minutes with the people who served with me and they will tell you. No, not those 200 plus veterans who served with me and say i lied, and not all those veterans that signed affadavits that say i am a phony, I mean just these 8 people that travel around with me (my band of brothers).

I am John Kerry.

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jsalcedo
August 10, 2004, 08:37 AM
I never thought there could be a bigger liar than Al Gore.

Boy I was wrong.

Brrlgrrl
August 10, 2004, 10:41 AM
That made my head spin! lol

Ransom
August 10, 2004, 10:56 AM
The ammount of misinformation being shelled out about John Kerry is staggering.

jsalcedo
August 10, 2004, 11:02 AM
The only misinformation I saw was the overseas jobs Heinz connection.

Teresa Heinz has no control over that company.

Everything else is well documented.

Ransom
August 10, 2004, 11:08 AM
Like the 1st and 4th most liberal thing? hahaha

trapperjohn
August 10, 2004, 11:42 AM
Like the 1st and 4th most liberal thing? hahaha

and his voting record makes you think he is conservative how??

Ransom
August 10, 2004, 11:56 AM
His voting record shows he's just to the left of the average democrate, well to the right of Ted Kennedy. And Edwards is to the right of the average democrate, far far far more conservative than the 4th most liberal.

Its the exact same kind of out of context misleading misinformation that Moore puts out. The entire list the original poster posted is laughable to anyone who takes to time to actually read more than just the sound bytes.

Shooter 2.5
August 10, 2004, 12:12 PM
F rating by the NRA and the GOA.
A rating by Handgun Control Inc.

Claims he was on a mission in Cambodia during the Viet Nam War. He's a liar.

Claims by supported the war before he didn't support the war and now he claims he supports the war. ??? I can't even figure out this one without a flow chart.

Claims one of his wounds was by hostile fire. Nope. He did it to himself. No Purple Heart was possible.

He "earned" a medal for pulling someone out of the drink. Did the other boats get medals for pulling the other three out. Nope. Or was it the time he shot a fleeing unarmed teenager? Anyone else get medals for shooting runaway unarmed teenagers????

Claims he can't stop the train at Lawrence Kansas. Who did he blame? The conductor. ????

Falls on a ski slope. Who does he blame? A Secret Service Man. Called him a son of a bitch.

He's left wing, lying, gun grabbing, tax and spend socialist.

Shooter 2.5
August 10, 2004, 12:16 PM
The amount of misinformation being shelled out about John Kerry is staggering.


And all the misinformation comes from john kerry. The guy can't even get his story straight. I'm waiting for him to claim he's Navy SEAL but I guess he figures a chest full of illgotten medals is the same thing.

R.H. Lee
August 10, 2004, 12:17 PM
John Kerry is a sorry excuse for an American, nevermind one who aspires to become CINC. He personifies the low to which the Democrat party has sunk. He's about to do something decisive, though. He's going to decisively lose a national election.

tulsamal
August 10, 2004, 12:17 PM
Speaking of Moore, I'm still wading through the excellent piece Kopel wrote. No name calling, no sensationalism. Just academic style writing showing no fewer than 59 deceits in that last movie. He even lets the Moore camp have equal time when they want it. And he gives links to some things that are bad about Bush. Highly recommend it.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm


"Quite obviously, there are many patriotic Americans who oppose George Bush and who think the Iraq War was a mistake. But Moore's deceitful movie offers nothing constructive to help people form their opinions. To use lies and frauds to manipulate people is contrary to the very essence of democracy, which requires people to make rational decisions based on truthful information. It's wrong when a President lies. It's wrong when a talk radio host lies. And it's wrong when a film-maker lies."

Ransom
August 10, 2004, 12:50 PM
And all the misinformation comes from john kerry. The guy can't even get his story straight. I'm waiting for him to claim he's Navy SEAL but I guess he figures a chest full of illgotten medals is the same thing.

Pretty much proves my point. People would rather hear the sound bytes than actually hear context.

Durus
August 10, 2004, 12:53 PM
"His voting record shows he's just to the left of the average democrate, (sic) well to the right of Ted Kennedy." Ransom

I disagree. The National Journal named him the most liberal sentator of 2003. (on a scale that ranges from 0 to 100, Kerry compiled a composite liberal score for 2003 of 96.5, the highest in the Senate.)


The ADA (Americans for Democratic Action) lists Kerry's career "liberal quotient" as 92 percent. That ranks him higher than Kennedy (90 percent), establishing Kerry as the "liberal senator from Massachusetts."

K-Romulus
August 10, 2004, 01:08 PM
The amount of misinformation being shelled out about John Kerry is staggering.

Thank you, Ransom, for bringing some sense to the playground.

Ransom
August 10, 2004, 01:10 PM
Yes, in 2003. I wonder what could have influenced his voting record in 2003? Hmmm I wonder.

Its kind of dumb to bash him for poor attendance then use the votes he did cast to say he's the most liberal. Its laughable and completely out of context and misleading. Just like....ding ding ding....Michael Moore!

Career wise John Kerry is far more conservative than Teddy and falls somewhere in the middle of the road and Edwards is more conservative than most dems all together. To say they are the 1st and 4th is simply a sad and pathetic way to try and bash him.

atk
August 10, 2004, 01:29 PM
Its kind of dumb to bash him for poor attendance then use the votes he did cast to say he's the most liberal. Its laughable and completely out of context and misleading.


Ransom,

I don't understand why that's the case. If he only attended a select few votes, then is he doing his job? Is it wrong to look at what votes he did attend, and look at how he voted?

Now, I agree that we'd get a better analysis of his voting record by looking further back than just 2003 - after all, he's been voting for a while, now. We should review his whole record, and how he voted over his entire time in office.

agricola
August 10, 2004, 01:30 PM
ransom,

my hat off to you sir, but I am afraid you might have difficulty pointing out the sense of your argument to many here.

Moore lies about Bush / Guns / Iraq = bad
someone else lies about Kerry / the UK = good

whatever you think about Kerry - and the Guardian cartoonist Steve Bell (http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/archive/stevebell/0,7371,337764,00.html) thinks Kerry is clearly Lurch - the fact remains that, when you spout rubbish about him, you start to lose the moral high ground you wish to occupy.

for anyones interest:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/kerry.asp

agricola
August 10, 2004, 01:35 PM
as an aside, the fact that Kerry voted "no" in 1991 speaks somewhat better for him than anything he could say.

who could forget
this? (http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Nayira-Witness-Incubator-Kuwait6jan92.htm)

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
August 10, 2004, 01:56 PM
Its kind of dumb to bash him for poor attendance then use the votes he did cast to say he's the most liberal. Its laughable and completely out of context and misleading. Just like....ding ding ding....Michael Moore!


You're trying to link criticism of Kerry's attendence record with criticism of his Liberal voting record. These are two entirely seperate issues and your attempt to link them makes little sense. You're arguing just like...ding ding ding...Michael Moore!

Kerry has a very poor attendence record this session. That's a fact. One of the few times he made an extra-special effort to show up was to vote in favor of amendments to the lawsuit pre-emption bill. Amendments that would have banned all centerfire rifle ammo, extended the assault weapon ban, etc.

Career wise John Kerry is far more conservative than Teddy and falls somewhere in the middle of the road and Edwards is more conservative than most dems all together. To say they are the 1st and 4th is simply a sad and pathetic way to try and bash him

No, Kerry is a hard-left extremist by any objective measure.

Kerry favors/ has recently favored:

Socialized Medicine (Hitlery's plan)
Extremist forms of Gun Control
Unrestricted abortions on demand, including partial birth murders
Cutbacks on US intelligence funding
Cutbacks on US military spending
Gay marriage
US troops under UN control
Higher taxes
Affirmative action
Legislation raising the CAFE standard to 40mpg
Federal control of public schools
Massive WPA style jobs programs
Carbon taxes/credits to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
The religious mythology of "global warming"
Gays serving openly in the military
Amnesty for illegal aliens
etc.

Kerry opposes:

A viable US missile defense
US investment in clean nuclear power generation
Oil drilling in a tiny section of ANWR
Competency testing for public school teachers
Pre-emptive strikes against terror States
The Civilian Marksmanship Program
Tax Cuts
Tort Reform
Tuition vouchers for private schools
Tax reform including a Flat-Tax or US VAT
Medical Savings Accounts
Right-to-Work laws

etc.

Kerry is also a fraud who, with the active help of the Boston Globe, managed for 35 years to hide his family's German/Austrian roots and pretend to be an Irish-American so as to better his chances of winning office in Massachusetts.

R.H. Lee
August 10, 2004, 02:04 PM
Kerry is also a fraud who, with the active help of the Boston Globe, managed for 35 years to hide his family's German/Austrian roots and pretend to be an Irish-American so as to better his chances of winning office in Massachusetts

HA! So even John Kerry is ashamed of who he is. That speaks VOLUMES.

Pitiful.

ken grant
August 10, 2004, 02:07 PM
I AM JOHN KERRY!!!
I want America to become more like Europe and become a Socialist type of Government.
One that the Government doesn't own everything but does control everything.
SEEMS AS IF AT LEAST 50% of Americans agree with me

Ransom
August 10, 2004, 02:09 PM
You're trying to link criticism of Kerry's attendence record with criticism of his Liberal voting record. These are two entirely seperate issues and your attempt to link them makes little sense. You're arguing just like...ding ding ding...Michael Moore!

Two seperate issues? In 2003 he had "the most liberal voting record". Also in 2003 he missed around half the votes. You're telling me those two issues might not have something to do with each other?

No, Kerry is a hard-left extremist by any objective measure.

And what objective measure is that? Going by his career voting record he's pretty average when it comes to the left. He's hardly "hard-left" or an "extremist".


Lets say you have 2 senators. A and B. A votes 100 times and 10 of them are considered "liberal". B only voted 10 times but 9 of those votes are considered "liberal". Which one is more liberal?

mrapathy2000
August 10, 2004, 02:11 PM
wait for new kerry flip flop.

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/381249|top|08-09-2004::17:46|reuters.html

kerry would of voted regardless of no WMD's.

expect flip flop later today or tommarow.
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Kerry: Still Would Have Approved Force for Iraq

Aug 9, 5:34 PM (ET)

By Patricia Wilson

GRAND CANYON, Ariz. (Reuters) - Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry said on Monday he would have voted for the congressional resolution authorizing force against Iraq even if he had known then no weapons of mass destruction would be found.

Taking up a challenge from President Bush, whom he will face in the Nov. 2 election, the Massachusetts senator said: "I'll answer it directly. Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it is the right authority for a president to have but I would have used that authority effectively."

Speaking to reporters from the Powell's Landing on the rim of the Grand Canyon above a mile-deep drop, Kerry also said reducing U.S. troops in Iraq significantly by next August was "an appropriate goal."

"My goal, my diplomacy, my statesmanship is to get our troops reduced in number and I believe if you do the statesmanship properly, I believe if you do the kind of alliance building that is available to us, that it's appropriate to have a goal of reducing the troops over that period of time," he said.

On that timetable, Kerry's aim would be to pull out a large number of the 138,000 U.S. troops in Iraq in the first six months of his administration.

"Obviously, we'd have to see how events unfold," he added. "I intend to get more people involved in that effort and I'm convinced I can be more successful than President Bush in succeeding in doing that. It is an appropriate goal to have and I'm going to try to achieve it."

Kerry refused to say if he had any private assurances from Arab or European nations that they would help with security and reconstruction in Iraq but said "right now the administration ... is scrambling and struggling to try to find a way to do that."

"All of this should have happened in the beginning, all of these things should have been achieved beforehand," he said. "American presidents should not send American forces into war without a plan to win the peace."

BUSH CHALLENGE

Bush last week challenged Kerry, who Republicans accuse of flip-flopping on Iraq by voting for the war resolution and against the $87 billion request to fund operations, to say straight out if he would have voted the same way if only to eliminate the danger that Saddam Hussein could have developed weapons of mass destruction.

"Now, there are some questions that a commander-in-chief needs to answer with a clear yes or no," Bush said. "My opponent hasn't answered the question of whether knowing what we know now, he would have supported going into Iraq."

"I have given my answer," Bush said. "We did the right thing, and the world is better off for it."

Kerry challenged Bush to answer some questions of his own -- why he rushed to war without a plan for the peace, why he used faulty intelligence, why he misled Americans about how he would go to war and why he had not brought other countries to the table.

"There are four not hypothetical questions like the president's, real questions that matter to Americans and I hope you'll get the answers to those questions, because the American people deserve them," he told reporters.

Kerry, who is on day 11 of a two-week coast-to-coast campaign trip, used the majestic backdrop of the Grand Canyon to criticize Bush for neglecting America's national parks system and pledged to restore $600 million he said the president had cut from the budget.
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kerry is his own worse enemy. all Bush needs is for kerry to open his mouth. then again same could be said for Bush but Bush pales in comparison to Kerry when it comes to being a famous Dolphin or jellyfish.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
August 10, 2004, 02:16 PM
In 1986 on the floor of the Senate, John Kerry said, "For those of us who are fortunate to share an Irish ancestry, we take great pride in the contributions that Irish-Americans ..."

The man is a pathological liar.

birdv
August 10, 2004, 02:20 PM
Kerry :cuss:

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
August 10, 2004, 02:33 PM
Two seperate issues? In 2003 he had "the most liberal voting record". Also in 2003 he missed around half the votes. You're telling me those two issues might not have something to do with each other?

Again, you're trying to slam people who criticise Kerry's attendence record, and people who slam Kerry's Liberal voting record, by linking the two issues together when in fact there is no linkage. The two issues are completely seperate and have nothing to do with one another. Many Liberals have impeccable attendence records


I wrote: "No, Kerry is a hard-left extremist by any objective measure."

And you responded:

and what objective measure is that?

The list of issues I presented and many other issues as well. Kerry's positions on these issues is an objective measure of his political identification as a extremist leftist.

Going by his career voting record he's pretty average when it comes to the left. He's hardly "hard-left" or an "extremist".

You're going to have to go beyond simple gainsaying to make that point. List issues dear to conservative and liberal voters and give Kerry's stance on them.

Issues like:

School Vouchers
Gays in the military
Gay marriage
Gay adoption
Religious displays on public property
Private property rights vs eminant domain
Private property rights vs environmental legislation
A US missile defense
Amnesty for illegals
Medical savings accounts
Tax Cuts
Tort Reform
Restoration of Americans' 2nd Amendment rights
The Assault Weapon Ban
Motor vehicle fuel economy standards
Drilling in ANWR
US troops under UN command
The Kyoto Treaty
Higher Defense and Intel spending
Pre-emptive strikes against terror States
Affirmative Action
Right-to-Work laws
etc.

On all of these issues and many others, Kerry opposes the position taken by conservatives and favors that taken by Liberals. Kerry is a hard-left extremist by this objective measure: his stated positions on these issues.

And he's a poseur and a fraud, falsely claiming to be an Irish-American. We hate that. If someone's roots are Italian, Polish, African, Austrian, or whatever, they should be proud of that and not lie to gain favor like Kerry did.

"Everyone is Irish on St. Patrick's Day . . . except John Kerry," said Massachusetts state Sen. Jack Hart (D).

Thumper
August 10, 2004, 02:40 PM
Good list of important Conservative issues, Luke.

It will be interesting to see the response.

tulsamal
August 10, 2004, 02:43 PM
Trying to argue about what Kerry did in Vietnam or "how liberal he really is" misses the point for the majority of the people that post here. I don't need to know _everything_ about the man. I just need to know how he has voted on gun issues in his years in the Senate. Everything else is just a distraction and a sideshow.

So then we have NRA and GOA ratings of an F for Kerry and an F for Edwards. Based on their voting records before they ever became candidates.

Hmmm, why would I want to vote for them again?

Why do we even have to argue about all the other stuff?

Gregg

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
August 10, 2004, 02:47 PM
Thumper:

Good list of important Conservative issues, Luke.

Thanks.

Sad to see that Bush is deficient on a few.

Durus
August 10, 2004, 02:48 PM
Ransom if you reread my last comment you will see that the ADA gave him a career (all 20 years of it) 92 percent.

Thumper
August 10, 2004, 02:48 PM
You're right, Gregg...I mean, it is a gun board...

Why do we even have to argue about all the other stuff?


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/162659p-142554c.html

Thumper
August 10, 2004, 02:51 PM
Sad to see that Bush is deficient on a few.

More than a few...

The following situation remains, however: one of two particular guys will win in November.

Those are the two I'm interested in comparing.

Ransom
August 10, 2004, 03:20 PM
Again, you're trying to slam people who criticise Kerry's attendence record, and people who slam Kerry's Liberal voting record, by linking the two issues together when in fact there is no linkage. The two issues are completely seperate and have nothing to do with one another. Many Liberals have impeccable attendence records

Yeah. No link. Ha. The reason he was the most liberal is because his voting attendance was low.

In 1999, Kerry ranked as the 16th most liberal senator
In 2000, Kerry was 20th
In 2001, Kerry was 11th
In 2002, Kerry was 9th
In 2003, Kerry was 1st

Funny how his sharp rise in the ranks coincides with his decline in attendance.

mrapathy2000
August 10, 2004, 03:25 PM
maybe he should of stayed in D.C. and earn his pay. would of been little bit nice if he declined his pay for the votes he didnt show up for.

goalie
August 10, 2004, 03:27 PM
Yeah. No link. Ha. The reason he was the most liberal is because his voting attendance was low.

In 1999, Kerry ranked as the 16th most liberal senator
In 2000, Kerry was 20th
In 2001, Kerry was 11th
In 2002, Kerry was 9th
In 2003, Kerry was 1st

Funny how his sharp rise in the ranks coincides with his decline in attendance.

OR

Maybe Kerry was the most liberal because he only chose to take the time out to vote for liberal leaning bills. I mean, gee, he did take the time out to come to DC and vote for a ban on 30-30 ammo, didn't he????

:rolleyes:

Shooter 2.5
August 10, 2004, 04:14 PM
Maybe Kerry was the most liberal because he only chose to take the time out to vote for liberal leaning bills. I mean, gee, he did take the time out to come to DC and vote for a ban on 30-30 ammo, didn't he????

Just in case someone missed your logic, I'm going to repeat it.
kerry took the time from his "busy" schedule to vote only for the things most important to him.

Look, I don't give a damn if there is another left wing, gun grabbing socialist who beat out kerry for being the number one commie in the Senate. This is a race between someone who gave me a CCW law, is ignoring the AWB, has a conservative for the vice presidency and has a chance to confirm real conservatives on the Supreme Court OR a gun grabbing, tax and spend, lying about his war record socialist.

As a gun owner, this is a very simple choice. Vote Bush with a straight Republican ballot and get more gun rights conservatives in the Congress and Senate. Then we can go on the offense and roll back gun control.

Shooter 2.5
August 10, 2004, 04:21 PM
Add the twit's wife to the liar list:


Inside Edition blows lid off Theresa's cookie farce! She tells them her staff submitted the recipe to Family Circle magazine & she hates Pumpkin Spice cookies!


It's the staff's fault. Cookies.
It's the conductor's fault. Lawrence, Kansas
It's the Secret Service Agent's fault. Skiing.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
August 10, 2004, 04:54 PM
A rundown on Kerry's ratings for 2001, 2002, and 2003 from various Conservative and Liberal groups can be found at Project VoteSmart:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0421103

He is consistently ranked very high by the Liberal Groups and rated low by the Conservative groups.



Gun Issues:

2003 On the votes that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considered to be the most important as of 2003, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time. These scores are cumulative for each representative's time in their current office. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considered votes from 1988-2003 in the House and 1991-2003 in the Senate when determining these scores.

2003 Based on the results of a questionnaire the Gun Owners of America assigned Senator Kerry a 10

2002 On the votes that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considered to be the most important as of 2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time. These scores are cumulative for each representative's time in their current office. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considered votes from 1988-2002 in the House and 1991-2002 in the Senate when determining these scores.

2002 Based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionnaire sent to all Congressional candidates in 2002, the National Rifle Association assigned Senator Kerry a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F).

2001-2002 Based on the results of a questionnaire the Gun Owners of America assigned Senator Kerry a grade of F (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F-).

1999-2000 On the votes that the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence considered to be the most important in 1999-2000 , Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 Based on the results of a questionnaire the Gun Owners of America assigned Senator Kerry a grade of F- (with grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F-).

tulsamal
August 10, 2004, 04:59 PM
See above post.

That's all we need to know!

Gregg

MP5
August 10, 2004, 05:05 PM
If you want to know Kerry's actual voting record, see

http://www.senate.gov/

http://capwiz.com/c-span/dbq/issuesdbq/votesearch.dbq

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/

etc.

tulsamal
August 10, 2004, 05:31 PM
When I had Democratic friends ask me if I thought Kerry was a good choice for a Presidential candidate, my answer was no. I told them he was a long time Senator and they have a hard time getting elected. They were skeptical and thought that was just an anomaly. But the Vote Smart board shows the precise problem: you are on the record on many issues and over many years. No matter how he twists and turns, Kerry isn't going to be able to distance himself from his own votes. And attempting to do so just makes him look bad anyway.

With a voting record like that, the election is Bush's to win. He could always blow it but he couldn't ask for much more in an opponent. If the Democrats had put forth somebody with a "middle of the road" voting record, they would have had a real chance. I just don't think Kerry is going to stand up to scrutiny of his voting record between now and the election.

(Did you look at his ratings under Budget or Business or Legal? Oh my!)

Gregg

Shooter 2.5
August 10, 2004, 05:32 PM
I get it now. Voting for kerry isn't quite as bad as jumping off the 80th floor of a skyscraper. It's more like jumping off the 75th floor. Thanks for clearing that up.

Art Eatman
August 10, 2004, 06:06 PM
The October issue of Soldier of Fortune came today. Ed/Pub Brown cites a John Jackson, ExDir of Conservation Force and former Pres. of Safari Club Intnl: "...Kerry is not a member of the Congresswional Sportsmen's Caucus." and "Kerry frequently appears in (the literature of the Humane Society of the United States) and on their web site." He goes on to say that Kerry is a "hero" to HSUS.

Shooting and hunting have been major parts of my life for over 60 years. As far as I'm concerned, all the other stuff about Kerry's life and voting record on other issues is trivia. I flat-out just don't care about his war or his women or his view on foreign affairs or the economy.

Leave my guns'n'huntin' alone.

Art

Thumper
August 10, 2004, 06:10 PM
To continue along Art's line of thought, I took a quick trip over to PETA's site.

Guess what I found?

Milwaukee — Fresh from the campaign trail in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and other early primary states, Chris P. Carrot, PETA’s 7-foot-tall mascot and candidate for president of the United States, will begin making campaign appearances throughout America’s Dairyland—including at rallies held by Sen. John Kerry and Sen. John Edwards

Niiiiiiiice...

If that mascot showed up down here, it would bring a whole new meaning to the idea of the "stick and the carrot."

rock jock
August 10, 2004, 07:20 PM
Ransom, if anything, Kerry's lack of attendance coupled with his voting record confirms how liberal he is. Afterall, he didn't make a great effort to vote on every issue, but only on those most important to him, i.e., those which reflect his liberal socialist philosophy.

S_O_Laban
August 11, 2004, 02:46 AM
Just wondering.... Ransom do you actually own a gun and use it occasionally??

And if guns aren't the key voting issue for you... what is?

Boats
August 11, 2004, 09:02 AM
Ransom eh?

GIVE ME BACK MY SON!!!:evil:

In 1999, Kerry ranked as the 16th most liberal senator
In 2000, Kerry was 20th
In 2001, Kerry was 11th
In 2002, Kerry was 9th
In 2003, Kerry was 1st

That argument that Kerry is middle of the road might work if there were only about 20 senators. Problem for the both of you is that there are 100.

Middle of the road would be right at 50th. Being a middle of the road leftist would still put one around 25th. Kerry isn't even close to middle of the road flaming liberal save for just once in 2000.

GSB
August 12, 2004, 01:46 PM
As for the Cambodia thing, one of his spokespeople has "clarified" this issue:

"I believe he's corrected the record to say it was someplace near Cambodia, but he is not certain whether it was actually in Cambodia but he is certain that there was some point subsequent to that that he was in Cambodia." -- Kerry spokeman Jeh Johnson

R.H. Lee
August 12, 2004, 03:39 PM
"I believe he's corrected the record to say it was someplace near Cambodia, but he is not certain whether it was actually in Cambodia but he is certain that there was some point subsequent to that that he was in Cambodia." -- Kerry spokeman Jeh Johnson
Imagine listening to that crap for 4 years.

http://www.sportsmenforkerryedwards.com/images/kerry.jpg

MP5
August 13, 2004, 07:29 AM
"Kerry frequently appears in (the literature of the Humane Society of the United States) and on their web site." He goes on to say that Kerry is a "hero" to HSUS.

That's actually one of the few reasons to vote for Kerry, then. The Humane Society does lots of great work on behalf of animals.

halvey
August 13, 2004, 08:46 AM
F rating by the NRA and the GOA. This says it all. P!ss about Bush if you want, but I can't think of ANY other President who actively helped RKBA. We have a better shot of changing that with Bush than Kerry.

auschip
August 13, 2004, 08:54 AM
...The Humane Society does lots of great work on behalf of animals.

Of course it does it at the expense of humans.

They oppose animal testing, and all hunting. Then again, Kerry is a hunter, right? :rolleyes:

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