News flash - NJ Governor to resign later on today!


August 12, 2004, 03:09 PM
Just heard on Hannity's radio program! The governor will announce his resignation later on today. There is allegedly a sexual component to the decision. We'll see what the scoop is as events unfold.



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August 12, 2004, 03:19 PM
Are you sure it's not just wishful thinking on Hannity's part. (Of course, it would prevent Schundler from running a "See, I told you so!" campaign.)

August 12, 2004, 03:26 PM
Just came over my Bloomberg. It's legit.

August 12, 2004, 03:26 PM
If he resigns, it'll be Richard "women should walk in groups in well lit areas rather than be armed" Codey who will get the governor's office.

Escape while you still can, guys.

August 12, 2004, 03:28 PM
Well, I can't say I'm sad to see McGreasy go but he will be replaced by senate president Richard Codey.

Here is what Codey had to say about us (2nd amendment rights advocates) after the Can the Ban rally in Trenton,%207-16-04.htm

Released on: July 16, 2004


Senate President Says Gun Advocates' Message "Outside the Realm of Reality"

TRENTON - Senate President Richard J. Codey, the driving force behind New Jersey's recent law to require childproof guns when the technology becomes economically viable, issued the following statement regarding today's assemblage in front of the Statehouse of the Second Amendment Sisters, Inc., an organization that advocates for the dissolution of gun control laws under the guise of "a woman's right to protect herself:"

"It may just be that I've been a little preoccupied with the recent enactment of the FY 2005 Budget, but I wasn't aware that, as the Second Amendment Sisters claim, society had gotten so bad that a woman's only hope to avoid violence is to carry around an Uzi and not be afraid to use it.

"That statement isn't exactly true, mind you, but gun advocacy groups, like the Second Amendment Sisters, would rather that the general population believe otherwise, because it's through misinformation and fear that their cause actually gains any footing. Regardless of the actual facts, they're willing to push a bleak world view where a woman's only chance of survival is to have a bigger gun than the next person.

"Call me naive, but I'd like to believe otherwise.

"I'd like to believe that there's enough common sense left in the world that disputes don't have to degenerate into a Showdown at the O.K. Corral. I'd like to believe that most women will choose to use basic common sense, such as traveling in large groups and only in well-lit, heavily populated areas, before resorting to violence on their own.

"The presence of a firearm rarely defuses a potentially violent situation, but rather, escalates violence to the breaking point. Rather than advocating for more guns on the street, we should bring attention to the need for more policemen in high-crime areas. I may be out of line here, but I'd rather see the decision to use lethal force being made by a highly-trained safety expert.

"While I don't disagree with the argument that women's safety issues are very important in today's society, I think it's downright unconscionable to use scare tactics to advocate for diminishing gun control laws, and allowing more weapons on our streets.

"When the Second Amendment Sisters are willing to have a rational discussion of how to improve women's safety in a civilized world, I'm open to that discussion. If they'd rather live in the Old West, where gunfights on street corners were commonplace, I have a time machine I'm willing to sell them that will go nicely with their unrealistic world views."

August 12, 2004, 04:08 PM
sexual harassment allegations made by a male former aide, Golan Cipel

Wasn't Golan Cipel the state's $10k/year Poet Lauriet who blamed Israel for 9/11 and wouldn't step down when people were offended?

Nathaniel Firethorn
August 12, 2004, 04:10 PM
Nope, that was Amiri Baraka. Golan Cipel was the state's security director who had no detectable duties.

On both, good riddance to bad rubbish.

- pdmoderator

August 12, 2004, 04:32 PM
Well, the press conference is just over. He is resigning due to a homosexual affair. He should have resigned due to the fact that he is a traitor, and has violated his oath to the people of NJ. So now we get Codey, an even greater traitor. God, have mercy on our souls.

August 12, 2004, 04:36 PM
Well, if he resigns because he's gay, he's a victim, he's persecuted because of his sexuality. If he resigns because he didn't uphold the office of governor it's all his fault.

Call me a cynic, but in the next few days the media will be feeling sorry for him

August 12, 2004, 04:39 PM
Very, very sad. I was just thinking today how New Jersey has been so raped and pillaged enabled by the corrupt politicians that were bought in the first place (I'm too tired to go into it).
Having just escaped I can say without any agenda that New Jersey deserves so much better. It's gonna be a very long and difficult task for those willing and able to take it on - their numbers are growing.
It's really extremely refreshing to live in a state where the legislators conduct themselves honorably to include trusting the law-abiding, tax paying, honest citizens. It's so great, in fact, that Pennsylvania is safe as long as I'm alive. I will absolutely step forward if PA starts to erode like New Jersey.
In the mean time, McGreevey and your ilk, you are a total disgrace to the sacred Oath of Office. May you burn in hell.

August 12, 2004, 04:40 PM
Whoops. Just saw the homosexual thing. My post had nothing to do with that at all. I'll take an honorable homosexual anytime over McGreevey.

August 12, 2004, 04:46 PM
Hannity has gone on to say that there are indications that there will be a sexual harassment suit filed in the near future against the governor. He has also just talked to Bret Schundler, who stated that he is interested in getting into the election if there will be one.

Hannity also mentioned that the timing of this announcement and resignation is critical due to some stipulations within New Jersey law if there are less than 60 days before an election. I didn't have the chance to listen to all of that, since I had to turn off the radio to take phone calls. Darn clients! You'd almost think that I like positive cash flow!! :D



August 12, 2004, 04:51 PM
This is hilarious.

August 12, 2004, 04:53 PM
For those who remain: Do what you can to make Bret Schundler your next Governor. He knows all of the issues better than anyone and is "in it" for all the right reasons. Don't bust his ***** on the gun issue. He's the real deal. Offices won't be won in New Jersey on the gun issue, but they might be on the principles of personal responsibility, accountability and self reliance which transcend all issues.

August 12, 2004, 04:57 PM
I 2nd what you said about Bret. He's a real class act.

August 12, 2004, 04:57 PM
OK, here's the explanation.....Hannity stated that if the governor resigns more than sixty days before a state-wide general election where he/she is not standing for re-election, then the successor will be chosen via an election. However, he said that McGreevey stated that he will resign effective Nov. 15th, which negates that. It's my understanding that this would then result in his being replaced by another current officeholder, which Stebalo said would be Codey.

I think that I have all of this correct....I hope! Good luck to all of NJ THR members!



August 12, 2004, 05:03 PM
Heard him on the radio. He showed a great amount of courage.

August 12, 2004, 05:28 PM
Courage? I musta missed that part. Please explain.

August 12, 2004, 06:25 PM
Yes! He came out of the closet to say he decided he was gay. He said he had been fighting it since High School. I wonder why he married twice and had one daughter by each wife? Sounds more like lust to me. I think he is trying to gain support from the gay community and the democrats.

Also there will be a civil suite of sexual harrassment filed against him. That is the real reason for stepping down. His wife stood by his side, she is a beautiful blonde. She just stood there with a smile on her face. I don't know how she did it, unless she wants to be rid of him.

Mrs. Toro

Job 34:20to23
In a moment shall they die, and the people shall be troubled at midnight, and pass away: and the might shall be taken away without hand. For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings. There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves. For he will not lay upon man more than right; that he should enter into judgment with God.

Standing Wolf
August 12, 2004, 08:54 PM
I'd like to believe that most women will choose to use basic common sense, such as traveling in large groups and only in well-lit, heavily populated areas, before resorting to violence on their own.

Maybe he thinks burkhas would help, too.

August 12, 2004, 09:00 PM
Maybe he thinks burkhas would help, too.

As in harems guarded by eunuchs?


Highland Ranger
August 12, 2004, 09:12 PM
He showed a great amount of courage.

If courage = nerve then I guess he did.

Bottom line: super corrupt state government in NJ and he was right in the heart of it. Speculation is that he was told he was a liability to the party for the November elections and that it was in his best interests to step down. They made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

Again speculation is that they have more than the harrassment case and that he is trying to avoid spending time behind bars.

His being gay is really not relevant. Frankly, who cares. Depending on how this washes out, he may be using that as a shield, in which case he is a double lowlife.

And him having an affair: He's a lowlife and everyone knew that when he ran. Clinton proved that for the most part the American people don't care about that either.

So no reason to step down on either count, hence the above speculation.

I might add, I heard the whole thing on the Fox XM feed, and he did sound good but my wife watched the video as well and said that they were focusing on his Dad who kept rolling his eyes.

Pity the parents and the family for having a piece of crap like that in their lives. Especially with sing-sing looming for them.

Highland Ranger
August 12, 2004, 09:17 PM

Re Schundler - my Aunt worked with him on Wall Street, she's a typical liberal leaning New Yorker and said he was a good man (his political views aside of course)

And on guns, I believe he is pro right to carry:


- Opposes gun control. (Jun 2001)

- Looser gun laws; allow concealed carry. (Jun 2001)

Here is the link:

So from your keyboard to God's ear!

Nathaniel Firethorn
August 12, 2004, 09:44 PM
My speculation is that the Feds had something worse on Golan Cipel than McGreasy did, and forced Cipel to threaten the sexual harassment charge.

Rule Number One: Never tick off a Federal prosecutor.

- pdmoderator

Nathaniel Firethorn
August 12, 2004, 09:51 PM
Offices won't be won in New Jersey on the gun issue, but they might be on the principles of personal responsibility, accountability and self reliance which transcend all issues. Sick smiley. PRNJ is a Darwinian filtering process. It eliminates men and women and selects for two-legged sausages.

- pdmoderator

Tony Mig
August 12, 2004, 09:59 PM
I totally agree with Highland Ranger, this B.S. about being gay is a smoke screen to cover other wrong doings. I do believe that in time, we'll hear about other scandles involving McGreedy and his cohorts.

New Jersey needs a major leauge shake-up in politics, and some major law reforms....especially in the area of gun laws, not to mention this state's entitelment programs.

This Codey guy is a total boob, he has no real world common sense, and is just another rubber stamp liberal like Toricelle, Florio, and McGreevey.....

August 12, 2004, 10:01 PM
Well folks, word is that Corzine will resign his US Senate seat, to run for Governor. Jersey's loss will be the country's gain.

August 12, 2004, 10:09 PM
Funny. I wrote a very comprehensive Letter to the Editor a few days ago that covers New Jersey in outstanding fashion. I'll post it if anyone requests, but won't bore you if not asked. I say everything that most are afraid to say and it captures the true essence of the goings on. You'll love my hidden reference, too.

Nathaniel Firethorn
August 12, 2004, 10:13 PM
[E36M3]? Is that you?

The long sobs of the violins of autumn wound my heart with monotonous langour.

- pdmoderator

August 12, 2004, 10:37 PM
C'mon. I'm trying to stay anonymous. Thanks for blowing my cover.

Nathaniel Firethorn
August 12, 2004, 10:44 PM
Sorry, E36M3.

The dead clams dance at midnight.

Machiavelli wears a pink tutu.

Meet me under the Trenton Makes bridge with fifty thousand Kaiser rolls in a paper bag. No consecutive poppyseeds.

- pdmoderator

August 12, 2004, 11:18 PM
Oddly enough, I just moved right by that bridge on the Pennsylvania side. I can be there in less than 10 minutes.

ed dixon
August 13, 2004, 01:42 AM
Yes! He came out of the closet to say he decided he was gay. He said he had been fighting it since High School. I wonder why he married twice and had one daughter by each wife?

Just my opinion, but as long as folks insist gays are deciding to be so, and many of the same folks are deciding the consequences include eternal damnation and a lifetime of derision, many people will try to deny who they are. Less common today than a hundred years ago, but until real libertarian values pass from laws to hearts, this sad masquerade will continue. I wouldn't want my straight child to be cheated by such a sham, nor my gay one reduced to perpetrating it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure the muck has just started to find the fan and the details will likely include real malfeasance. Disingenuous gloating over the gay aspect, however, strikes me as ironic.

August 13, 2004, 05:09 AM
Courage? I musta missed that part. Please explain. No BS, he accepted full responsibility for his actions and didn't claim to be a victim. Nor did he say "it's private, it's nobody's business". It's rare for for a politician to lay it on the line like that especially when some don't even know the meaning of the word "sex".

Nathaniel Firethorn
August 13, 2004, 07:49 AM
Let's see whether he's got the "courage" to admit the way he doublecrossed the ANJRPC after making a deal with them for their support. Not that it matters now.

- pdmoderator

August 13, 2004, 08:43 AM
My theory is that the Democrat power bosses who run NJ (they're not elected officials) got to McGreevey's boyfriend and forced him to come forward. This gets McGreevey out of office paving the way for the ultimate corruption soldier, Corzine, to step down from the US Senate to run for Governor next year.
Nothing will please me more than to see Bret Schundler as NJ's next Governor. All is pretty much lost if he isn't which'll confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that I did the right thing in completely uprooting my family to get out.

August 13, 2004, 10:33 AM
"My truth is that I am a gay American"

Shouldn't that be hyphenated?

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