Whats a hot FMJ load for the .380 auto?


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megatronrules
August 12, 2004, 04:50 PM
I was just wondering what a good hot fmj load to use in my ppk? I think S&B,fiocchi and magtech are some pretty hot loads but is there anything else besides these you would recommend?

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XLMiguel
August 12, 2004, 05:12 PM
Cor-Bon, maybe Magsafe (frangible).

gbelleh
August 12, 2004, 05:12 PM
horge's website has a nice velocity table...

http://www.geocities.com/bersa_thunder/cartridges.html

horge
August 12, 2004, 07:33 PM
Thanks for the referral, Gino :)

Hi megatronrules :)
Fiocchi and MagTech velocities, while impressive at first glance,
owe more to the rather long test barrels they were fired from,
and in MagTech's case, a considerably lighter bullet as well,
than to being 'hotly' charged. I actually feel Fiocchi 95gr FMJ is
weaker than Armscor 95gr FMJ, a fairly-common .380 FMJ,
although the Italian leaves markedly less fouling in the firearm.

The 'hottest' non-HP I've tried -- so hot the recoil could hurt,
was Empresa Nacional Santa Barbara's 90 gr JSP. Stephen Camp
has posted a number of times on this cartridge from Toledo, Spain.

The 'hottest' JHP I've tried --extremely jarring, was the hokey
Silver Bullet 90gr, featuring a silver-jacketed, wide-hollow bullet.
Bystanders thought I was shooting +P 9mm by the report and flash
of this cartridge from Twin Pines.

I wouldn't run either in vast quantities through an aluminium frame
pistol like my Bersa Thunder 380. But, in a sturdier all-steel Walther,
hey... it's your hand.

;)

hth

kokapelli
August 12, 2004, 07:36 PM
Santa Barbra 380 ammo that was manufactured for the Spanish police and is the hottest 380 ammo I have fired.

I have not chronographed it, but it has the heaviest felt recoil of any 380 ammo I have shot!

It is available at sportsmansguide (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=119938) and is very inexpensive too!

I think it goes for about $110 for a thousand rounds.

DFBonnett
August 12, 2004, 07:42 PM
In a HP defense load, the snappiest I've tried is the CorBon.
FWIW
YMMV
DFB

Stephen A. Camp
August 12, 2004, 08:28 PM
Hello.

Here are some velocity figures for the Santa Barbara 95-gr. JSP from 3 guns:

Bersa w/3.5" bbl: 1029 ft/sec

SIG-Sauer P230 w/3.62" bbl: 1079 ft/sec

Walther PP w/3.86" bbl: 1161 ft/sec

While the Santa Barbara was not as fast as the Corbon +P 90-gr. JHP @ 1050 ft/sec from the Bersa, the felt recoil seemed sharper. I'm a bit leary of this ammunition.

Best.

kokapelli
August 12, 2004, 08:46 PM
Stephen, thanks for those chrono. figures.

I have fired around 100 rounds of the Santa Barbra from my Keltec P-3AT and probably 150 or so through my Bersa.

I think the Santa Barbra ammo probably is a little to hot for heavy use in the aluminium frames of the above pistols and probably should not be used for practice or plinking, but it seems fine to me for carry.

I have not noticed any frame damage from the Santa Barbra ammo yet, but 100 or so rounds is not that much either!

I also have been checking the cases for bulging and have not seen any.

kokapelli
August 28, 2004, 03:19 PM
Stephen A. Camp:
"Here are some velocity figures for the Santa Barbara 95-gr. JSP from 3 guns:
Bersa w/3.5" bbl: 1029 ft/sec
SIG-Sauer P230 w/3.62" bbl: 1079 ft/sec
Walther PP w/3.86" bbl: 1161 ft/sec
While the Santa Barbara was not as fast as the Corbon +P 90-gr. JHP @ 1050 ft/sec from the Bersa, the felt recoil seemed sharper. I'm a bit leary of this ammunition."

I was just looking at these figures and my thought is, both of these cartridges are pretty close.

The Santa Barbra bullet is about 5% heavier than the Cobon, while the Corbon is 2% faster than the Santa Barbra bullet.

Since in the "stopingpower.net" gelatin tests the Corbon fired from the P-3AT did not expand, it seems like a wash to me.

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