What are the most important issues to you this election year?


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joe sixpack
August 14, 2004, 02:11 AM
Recently there have been a number of threads about who to vote for president this coming election.
RKBA is for sure a top priority for all of us.
What other issues are most important to you? And do you feel there is any
candidate who actually addresses these issues satisfactorily, and if so
who?

cheers, ab

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deej
August 14, 2004, 02:15 AM
Liberty.

2nd Amendment
August 14, 2004, 02:34 AM
Well that's all fine and dandy. Both candidates talk a good line about liberty. Which has the better(not good, merely better) record on that generalized topic? Of course, that might depend on who is defining "liberty" here, wouldn't it?

My issues? the 2nd Amendment, abortion and "sovereignty", whether that last is talking about rebuking the UN or preserving property rights here at home. On all of these issues John F'in Kerry sucks hind...whatever...

JackC
August 14, 2004, 03:41 AM
Gun Control.

I use it as a litmus test, you want to limit my freedom to keep and bear arms, and I'll get the feeling you just don't trust me.
You want to limit some of my rights now, how about tomorrow, which rights do you want to limit then?
Jack

Delmar
August 14, 2004, 04:27 AM
I'd like the government off my rear end generally, and out of my wallet so danged much particularly. And leave my guns alone:fire:

LiquidTension
August 14, 2004, 04:58 AM
The most important issue to me is that Kerry should retain only the significant power that he already has. If that guy gets elected it'll show a couple of things: 1 - giving in to terrorists doesn't work (that's his plan... a "more sensitive war on terror," 2 - the American people are much more STUPID than I think they are.


As long as everyone just writes me in for President, everything will be fantastic...



Unless you're a feminist (how cute), a flaming liberal, a homosexual (you get the SAME rights as everyone else, no matter that I think it's nasty - no, you don't get to change the definition of words like "marriage" when I'm King...err, President), or a gun-grabbing hoplophobe. Oh yeah, admitted war criminals (cough *John Kerry* cough) won't like me either, as they will be prosecuted.



But most other people are cool :)



Seriously - guns, taxes, not being a pansy re: terrorists. I can safely say that those are the three most important things to me in the coming election. Too bad none of the major candidates agree with my line of thinking....

gunsmith
August 14, 2004, 05:45 AM
RKBA.
Illegal immigration and drivers license.
WoT.
Enforcing the "partial birth abortion ban".
Arming all pilots(see RKBA).
Getting Judge Moore his dang Ten Commandments back where they belong.
Stopping the flow of $$$ to idiots in other countries (like that stupid AIDS program in Africa).
Developing an "exit" strategy for Europe,they can fight they're own dang battles if they hate us so much.
Getting out of the U.N.
Getting the gov't out of marriage all together (it's a church thing)
gov't should only have "civil unions" for adults and if gays wan't to marry-fine- but we have to recognize the polygamous and others too.
Getting A anti C Christian L lawyers U union
out of public schools and re introduce students to Judeo-Christian values! ......
I could go on but it's late by for now and
Thanks AB!

Treylis
August 14, 2004, 05:49 AM
Well that's all fine and dandy. Both candidates talk a good line about liberty. Which has the better(not good, merely better) record on that generalized topic? Of course, that might depend on who is defining "liberty" here, wouldn't it?

Both? You seem to imply that there are only two candidates.

Ransom
August 14, 2004, 09:04 AM
The constitution as a whole. While I worry that John Kerry might limit my second amendment rights I'm downright scared of Bush limiting or outright taking away other contitutional rights.

motorep
August 14, 2004, 09:49 AM
I have a problem with anyone who would amend our constitution to deny rights or priveleges to a specific group of people. I believe that the Constitution exists to enumerate our freedom, not to put limits on it.

I think that our biggest - and unanswered - threat comes from our open borders. Those who live in border states can attest to the thousands of illegals coming into our country. I don't think that they're all migrant workers...

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
August 14, 2004, 09:58 AM
In Order:

*Restoration of American's RKBA under the 2nd Amendment

*War on Terror

*Elimination of Iran & North Korea as nuclear threats

*Border security and a severe crackdown on illegal immigration.

*Energy independence for the US: Drilling in ANWR, expansion of nuclear power generation.

*Tax Reform: flat tax or US VAT.

*Space Program: Big increases for NASA, manned missions to the Moon & Mars, SSTO vehicles.

*Environment: restoration of the Everglades, Chesapeake Bay, Florida Key reefs, Missouri River, Columbia River.

*Republicans learning how to fight dirty on getting Judicial Nominees confirmed.

*Shrinking the size of the Federal Government: Elimination of the Departments of Education, Energy, and Commerce, elimination of the National Endowment for the Arts & Humanities.

*Redirection of Federal medical research spending away from AIDS and back to diseases like cancer & heart disease which kill many more people.

Lone_Gunman
August 14, 2004, 10:03 AM
It is interesting that no one here has mentioned the Campaign Finance Reform law (McCain-Feingold), which has effectively stopped free political speech within 60 days of an election.

I know this is a gun forum and everyone thinks the 2nd Amendment is important, but McCain-Feingold is a much worse law with respect to the 1st Amendment than anything ever passed regarding the 2nd Amendment, including the NFA, machine gun ban of 1986, or the AWB.

If you plan on supporting Bush in November, remember you can also tell your grand children you helped abolish the 1st Amendment.

Chris Rhines
August 14, 2004, 10:22 AM
In some rough order:

- Tax reduction and repeal.
- Reductions in overall government spending.
- Repeal of the USA PATRIOT act.
- Pulling the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
- Ending the government assault on private property rights.
- Life, liberty, and property in general.

Needless to say, I'm not too impressed with either mainstream candidate.

- Chris

Brett Bellmore
August 14, 2004, 10:44 AM
I have a problem with anyone who would amend our constitution to deny rights or priveleges to a specific group of people. I believe that the Constitution exists to enumerate our freedom, not to put limits on it.

I have a bigger problem with people wh "amend" our constitution with court rulings instead. At least the states can refuse to ratify written amendments such as the marriage amendment Bush supports. We have no real defense against the Democrats' favorite means of attacking the Constitution. You can't refuse to ratify Supreme court rulings.

The Court, after all these years, is teetering on the edge of enforcing the Constitution again. But only teetering. The next term will probably see one or more "Justices" (What an oxymoron that title is!) resign, and if Kerry appoints their replacements, all hope is gone. We won't see an honest Supreme court in our lifetimes. If Bush picks them, there's at least a chance that he'll screw up, and appoint somebody more principled than he intended.

That's what's decided it for me, even though I think Bush stinks on ice.

Shooter 2.5
August 14, 2004, 11:01 AM
Getting rid of the evil, tax and spend, gun grabbing, socialist democratic party.

Then and only after the dem party is a poor third party should the libertarian, the constitutional or whatever they're called can become the second party.

Thumper
August 14, 2004, 11:43 AM
2nd Amendment and U.S. autonomy.

The Teeth of Liberty in conjunction with properly elected officials behaving in a way acceptable to their constituents (not some friggin' loony in Amsterdam or Nice)...

All Things Good naturally follow: Taken as a whole, U.S. History backs me up.

mountainclmbr
August 14, 2004, 12:27 PM
RKBA-The canary monitoring freedom.

Bill St. Clair
August 14, 2004, 12:42 PM
The elimination of every gun law, every tax law, every drug law, and every licensing and registration law in every city, county, state, and the nation. Once those are gone, then we can start the real work of restoring liberty to America.

2nd Amendment
August 14, 2004, 12:54 PM
Both? You seem to imply that there are only two candidates.

No. I flatly state as a matter of record and fact there are only two candidates AND every single person who votes is helping to elect one or the other. Doesn't matter what "nonentity" you actually pull the lever for you are voting for either Kerry or Bush by default. And, frankly, before you come back with a "rebuttal" to that, don't bother. Heard 'em all already and they are not merely all wrong but utterly illogical.

Thumper
August 14, 2004, 01:40 PM
Heard 'em all already and they are not merely all wrong but utterly illogical.

Illogical? You mean "sleeping better at night" is an emotional argument?

By God, you're right!

Barbara
August 14, 2004, 02:40 PM
Just the Constitution, no more, no less.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. \

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

madcowburger
August 14, 2004, 07:58 PM
The Bill of Rights, *especially* the Second Amendment, which is where the rubber really meets the road. There is no way to attack the RKBA without attacking *every* other Constitutional right.

I see the whole Bill of Rights as a single, seamless garment; any attempt to selectively attack this or that part of it soon unravels the whole thing.

I'm not at all happy with Bush, but I'd like to know *which* part of the Bill of Rights anyone thinks Kerry is more friendly toward than Bush?

Kerry is *for* the so-called War On Drugs, and all that it entails, such as ever-escalating violations of the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth amendments.

Kerry was one of the main people who pushed for all these "money laundering" and asset forfeiture laws. He *loves* stuff like that.

Kerry voted *for* the Patriot Act, and everything in it.

Kerry *hates* the RKBA, no matter what poses he may strike. He has not only voted for, but actively promoted and/or sponsored, *every* piece of anti-RKBA legislation that has ever come up since he's been in politics.

He missed almost all his Senate votes this year, but he dropped everything, left the campaign trail, and jetted back to Washington, D.C. *just to vote for an extension of the AWB*. That should give some idea of how big a priority banning guns is for Kerry.

Bush is lukewarm and wishy-washy about the RKBA, but that sure beats Kerry's dedicated, fanatical hostility towards it.

MCB

madcowburger
August 14, 2004, 08:14 PM
The Bill of Rights, *especially* the Second Amendment, which is where the rubber really meets the road. There is no way to attack the RKBA without attacking *every* other Constitutional right.

I see the whole Bill of Rights as a single, seamless garment; any attempt to selectively attack this or that part of it soon unravels the whole thing.

I'm not at all happy with Bush, but I'd like to know *which* part of the Bill of Rights anyone thinks Kerry is more friendly toward than Bush?

Kerry is *for* the so-called War On Drugs, and all that it entails, such as ever-escalating violations of the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth amendments.

Kerry was one of the main people who pushed for all these "money laundering" and asset forfeiture laws. He *loves* stuff like that.

Kerry voted *for*

achadwick
August 16, 2004, 04:05 AM
My top three in no particular order:

1. Gun rights: Let's eliminate all gun control legislation enacted since, and including, NFA.
2. Personal liberty: Government has no business intruding into how I manage my body, my children, or my private property.
3. Limited government: Let's eliminate all non-essential federal bureaucracies, including Commerce, Agriculture, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Homeland Security, and Justice to name just a few.

Candidates in the upcoming election that credibly promise to move in that direction will have my support.

Muzzleflash
August 16, 2004, 04:57 AM
My most important issues:

One: I want to be able to own anything up to and including a tactical nuke.
Citizens should have the freedom to own anything the government has, the 2nd amendment tells me so.

Two: I want an amendment to make it legal to kill anyone for any reason as long as they are on your property. This would solve trespassing, burglary, and many other problems. I am serious about this.

Three: I would like to see polygamy legalized. (up to three people per marriage) With the mass amount of new weddings, the economy would be stimulated. Imagine all the money going to wedding planners, caterers, the clothing people, etc.

Four: Ban gay marriage. Pat Robertson has expressed my opinions exactly on this.

Five: Stop enforcing drug importation laws, but make it legal to hunt and kill drug users. I guess you could have a licensing system and a bag limit to make it fair.

reagansquad
August 16, 2004, 05:20 AM
The patriot act, getting rid of those tax cuts for the rich.

WilderBill
August 16, 2004, 10:15 AM
I think GunSmith pretty much nailed it.
Of course, keeping as many liberals as possible out of office might cover it as well.

AimHigh
August 16, 2004, 12:03 PM
1. The US Supreme Court will be repopulated soon. Make sure we have a president who will appoint a conservative or 2 to that position. This will be vital to our efforts to keep America free and continue with our Constitutional government.

2. Continue expanding gun rights in the US via bills similar to HR118, but for citizens.

3. Stop gay movement into a sacred institution like marriage. NO civilization since the beginning of history has ever legalized gay marriage. It would destroy us as a nation.

4. Continue with tax cuts and make them permanent. Eliminate the IRS and make a tax system dependant on purchase of goods.

Ransom
August 16, 2004, 01:25 PM
Stop gay movement into a sacred institution like marriage. NO civilization since the beginning of history has ever legalized gay marriage. It would destroy us as a nation.

I've seen a couple of posts like this. Just out of curiosity what makes you think this? How exactly would it destroy us as a nation? What effect does allowing gay people to marry have on anyone else?

Thumper
August 16, 2004, 01:26 PM
Ah...motivations become more clear, sensei.

MrAcheson
August 16, 2004, 02:05 PM
First and foremost I want a president that will take the fight to our enemies. This pales in comparison to even the RKBA issues. We are at war and I intend to vote like it. Historically civil liberties take a back seat in war time and I'm willing to sacrifice temporarily. But only temporarily mind you. I want them back.

Kerry's sensitive WoT won't cut it, its a return of the September 10 policies of failure. "Surgical" missile and special forces strikes will not destroy or even disrupt our enemy. We tried that through the '90s. We need a massive campaign that is willing to commit to national regime changes in order to win.

Muzzleflash
August 16, 2004, 03:50 PM
It cheapens traditional marriage, can't you see? Marriage should be between a man, a woman, a man and a woman and a woman or a man and a man and a woman.

motorep
August 16, 2004, 05:21 PM
I see this getting hijacked a bit so- for any of you who are concerned about preserving marriage, why am I not seeing a national movement against divorce?

flatrock
August 16, 2004, 06:19 PM
Here they are, not really in any order.

1. The preservation of the constitution and the bill of rights.


3. Small government and state's rights.

Neither candidate really has a good record of preserving the constitution. Bush's use of declaring people enemy combatants to hold them without legal representation is scarry.

But at least with Bush I think he has good intentions of trying to keep information out of the hands of the enemy in dangerous times.

Kerry doesn't seem to have any real respect for the constitution or the bill of rights. He scares me more than Bush.

One of the most important things that will likely happen in the next 4 years is one or more supreme court appointments. We need a President that will appoint justices that will strictly adhere to the constitution and the original framer's intents. The courts should not be changing the laws, and the constitution should not be reinterpreted to fit the views of the current justices.

If circumstances have change to the point where the constitution needs to be changed, it can be done through the ammendment process, which is purposfully slow and difficult for good reason.

2. Tort reform.

We desparately need tort reform. Greedy lawyers, greedy plaintifs, and soft hearted juries are destroying the medical industry, as well as greatly hindering progress in many parts of industry. This hurts the economy. It hurts all of us. It desparately needs fixed. I don't see Kerry addressing this issue at all. Bush wins on this one.

3. Small government and state's rights.

While Bush has grown the government more than most democrats would dream of, Kerry promises to be much worse.


4. Immigration.

Our immigration system appears to consist of laws that are purposfully ignored by state and local governments, and the federal government appears to be afraid of the political fallout of enforcing them.

We need to make a serious commitment to stopping illegal immigration.

We need a realistic approach do dealing with the millions of illegal immigrants currently in the country, and I don't think that rounding them up and herding them out of the country will work.

While the laws are on the books that make their entry into the country illegal, they aren't really enforced. Our government, especially state and local governments have basically invited these people in to our country. Now that they are hear, they need to be deal with in a humane fasion. For a lot of them, that would mean amnesty.

For those with serious criminal records, herd them out of the country.

We need to fix the mess we currently have created, and start over with strict enforcement of reasonable immigration laws.

5. A fundamental respect for people human rights and individual rights.

Socialism and Fashism are diseases in which the government takes away the rights of the individuals and tells them it good for them.

The brutal dictatorships of countries like Iraq under Sadam can't be left unchecked. Sadam was horrible to his people. He used the wealth of his country to stirr up unrest and only wanted more power regardless of what it cost his own people.

He needed to go. When other countries like France, Germany, Russia, and whoever else turn a blind eye to what he does, and do underhanded business deals with him to do lipservice to sanctions while makinging money from Sadam's actions we can't sit back and let it continue just because we can't build a consensus.

We did the right thing by invading Iraq for MANY valid reasons. The fact that many of our "allies" wouldn't help should shame them, not us.

Bush showed that he has what it takes to do what he believes is right, and to stay the course when things get rough. We're at war, and while Bush is far from perfect, I don't think he's jerk our troups around according to the latest political poll.

Kerry is unfit to command our armed forces.

As for other candidates...

Anyone voting for them because they'll sleep better are lying to themselves thinking that they're actions are somehow honorable. Voting for a candidate who has no chance of being elected is the same as neglecting your duty to vote. We are faced with rought choices. Stand up and make one, instead of trying to find solace in false choices.

pittspilot
August 17, 2004, 01:11 AM
1. WOT
2. WOT
3. WOT
4. WOT
5. WOT
6. WOT
7. WOT
8. WOT
9. WOT
10. 2nd Amendment

There are no other issues this election. Everything else is irrelevant when we must contemplate the Iranians or N Koreans gaining a nuke or worse and letting some islamofanatics play with it.

joe sixpack
August 17, 2004, 01:22 AM
Hello!

Ok, good show so far and thanks for the no-hijack (please do open another thread if you wish to discuss that in more detail - thanks).

Please continue.

cheers, ab

cls12vg30
August 17, 2004, 01:10 PM
1) RKBA
2) WoT / military / defense issues
3) Ending Abortion (NO ONE has the right to "choose" murder)
4) Tax Reform, moving toward flat tax, nat'l sales tax, or better yet, abolishment of all direct federal taxation of private citizens.
5) Keeping health care private
6) Tort Reform (not only will Kerry not go for this, but Edwards has been blamed BY NAME by the American Medical Association for creating a health care crisis in North Carolina by driving hundreds of doctors, especially obstetricians, out of business with his frivolous and sleazy lawsuits during his years as a trial lawyer)
6) Reduction and eventual elimination of all federal socialist programs
7) Abolishment of all federal control over education

Crownvicman
August 17, 2004, 01:18 PM
The most important issue to me is the War on Terror and the preservation of the United States. EVERYTHING else is secondary.

Sawdust
August 17, 2004, 01:58 PM
1. Hammer illegal immigration (particularly the employers of illegals)

2. RKBA

3. Shrink the size of government and entitlement programs.

Sawdust

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