Need a really good gun type lawyer in Ill/WI


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Peter M. Eick
August 15, 2004, 12:09 PM
A young family friend has gotten himself into deep trouble up in Wisconsin and Illinois. As best I can tell from down south is that he has broken interstate trafficing laws, transporting of handguns and selling them as an underaged kids. He already has warrants in two states and I am surprised the Feds have not come after him yet. I guess maybe its because of the weekend.

I am not going to go into any other details because frankly I don't know them and as the only shooter in the family, they asked me for advice. I honestly don't know if he is innocent or guilty, or just in the wrong place or at the wrong time. I don't really care. He is a family friend and I said I would help.



Guys this kid is in deep trouble and he needs a good lawyer with a background in gun laws and criminal law if he has any hope of getting this mess straightened out.

If you have any suggestions for a good lawyer with a gun type background in the Chicago to Milwaukee corridor, please PM or email me. I will pass it along to the family and hope for the best.

Thanks, I really appreciate it.

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Dave Markowitz
August 15, 2004, 01:44 PM
Try:

Melissa Anne Maye
602 Center Parkway, Suite C
Yorkville, IL 60560
Phone #: (630) 553-3637
Fax #: (630) 553-3635
Internet email address: mmaye442 [at] aol.com
Areas of practice - firearms manufacturers defense, (municipal suits and products liability), real estate, business transactions, general practice

If she cannot help directly she may be able to refer you to a colleague.

She is a listed on my site, The Shooters' Bar(SM) (http://www.building-tux.com/dsmjd/law/lawr_list.html) .

ninenot
August 15, 2004, 03:07 PM
Jon Wilcox
12970 W Bluemound Road
Elm Grove, WI., 53122
262-796-7921

The office is located about 1 mile west of the I-894/Hy 45 Bypass around Milwaukee, on Bluemound Road (500 north)

Jon's spent a LOT of time on gun issues and is an instructor for same at many local seminars for both adults and children. Good guy, but businesslike.

Peter M. Eick
August 15, 2004, 10:35 PM
Thanks guys. I will make sure the information gets to the right people today.

I really appreciate the help.

Stand_Watie
August 15, 2004, 10:59 PM
Also, I believe El Tejon is a criminal defense attorney in Indiana. You might try PM'ing him and seeing if he has a friend or associate in either of those states. I've heard a lot of horror stories of people being represented by attorneys that they believe weren't worth their pay, and a recommendation from someone you can trust would go a long way in my book.

Monkeyleg
August 15, 2004, 11:04 PM
Jon Wilcox is a first-rate attorney when it comes to firearms cases. His partner, Paul Pederson, is also highly recommended by the NRA.

If you need phone numbers or such, just email me at info@wisconsinconcealedcarry.com, or PM me.

Muzzleflash
August 15, 2004, 11:06 PM
Unnecessary viciousness deleted.
Don Gwinn

Peter M. Eick
August 15, 2004, 11:45 PM
Muzzleflash,

I appreciate your insight into a family friend. Since you obviously know him very well and completely understand the situation better then I, I thank you for your comments.




Thanks guys, I have forwarded the information up north and will PM El Tejon immediately for suggestions.



No real new information other then it "appears" that he was out pal-ing around with the wrong poeple at the wrong time and things got out of hand very quickly.

Thanks again.

Don Gwinn
August 16, 2004, 12:32 AM
I would suggest that he contact www.concealcarry.org

They won't help him if they believe he committed a crime, but they're more likely than most. Quite honestly, they're the ones who kept Roderick Pritchett and Vana Haggerty out of jail, and they were a big help to John Horstman as well. They have access to at least one attorney, although to be perfectly honest I wasn't all that impressed with his courtroom skills in the Pritchett case (to be fair, I'm no expert.)

Muzzleflash
August 16, 2004, 03:15 AM
I apologize for any unnecessary viciousness, I was under the impression that criminals were the bad guys and that they shouldn't be treated as victims, but I guess there's always exceptions.

Please also forgive me for insinuating that 90% of criminal defense lawyers are scum. The actual number of scum who get criminals out of deserved punishment is probably much much lower. I apologize for the exaggeration.

Hoping you will accept my sincere and heartfelt apology,

Muzzleflash

Peter M. Eick
August 16, 2004, 03:47 AM
Muzzleflash,

I understand your feelings. I appreciate the apology.

Is the kid guilty? Maybe, maybe not, I was not there, I am working on 3rd to 4th hand information. If he is guilty then he will do the time for the crime, I am sure of it.

My concern is I don't want him to "plead out" to a lesser offense or something like that under the advice of an "generalist" lawyer vs. a firearms "specialist". I want him to have the best advice we can find just as I would want for myself.


I think one of the founding principles of the US is the basic presumption of innocence. Right now I am presuming he is innocent and trying to help the poor kid out. If he is guilty, then I have little, very little pity for the little bas****.



Anyway, thanks again to everyone who helped. I have fowarded a lot of addresses and phone numbers up north to the family and have PM El Tejon to ask for advice.

Muzzleflash
August 16, 2004, 03:53 AM
If there is a legal defense fund set up I will contribute what I have to spare.

FedDC
August 16, 2004, 11:09 AM
I allways find it funny that when it is a guy breaking in to someone's house, selling contraband and nobody knows the suspect, they are a scumbag criminal... But when it is their kid or family friend, the suspect just "Fell in with the wrong crowd" or "Didn't know what he was doing"... maybe we can start saying he was drunk and therefore even less responsible for his own actions.

Funny how that works.

Peter M. Eick
August 16, 2004, 01:05 PM
FedDC,

I don't know the facts, but if the kid is guilty he will serve the time, if he is not then he will get off.

Since I don't know, I must presume he is innocent and in our judicial system, he deserves the very best legal help I can find for him.

Thanks for your insight.

Pete

FedDC
August 16, 2004, 01:38 PM
As much as I wish it were as simple as Innocent Vs. Guilty, in the uS who goes to jail and who goes home has a LOT more to do with money and politics than it does with actual innocence. If the kid has the bucks and knows the right people, he will go free.

Back when I was at the local level, I saw a guy get probation for manslaughter where he killed his own brother with a 9mm Glock and he did it on purpose after the two had a fight... Long story short, high priced atty paid for with drug money and a dumb jury. It happens. Good luck to the kid. Until Americans wake up to the gaping holes in our legal system, criminals will continue to go free based not upon guilt or innocence, but upon their ability to get a scumbag atty that is willing to pervert the justice system for money.

Muzzleflash
August 16, 2004, 02:48 PM
Be careful FedDC, the moderator will call that unneeded viciousness and delete your posts.

Monkeyleg
August 16, 2004, 06:28 PM
Some folks seem to be getting their undies in a twist. Peter, in his first post, said he didn't know whether the kid was innocent or guilty, just needed the names of good attorneys.

The kid has a right to an attorney. I know more than a few people who really got screwed because their attorneys weren't up to the task.

whm1974
August 16, 2004, 07:26 PM
I allways find it funny that when it is a guy breaking in to someone's house, selling contraband and nobody knows the suspect, they are a scumbag criminal... But when it is their kid or family friend, the suspect just "Fell in with the wrong crowd" or "Didn't know what he was doing"... maybe we can start saying he was drunk and therefore even less responsible for his own actions.

Keep in mind that "falling in the wrong crowd" does get people in trouble. There are people sitting in the slam because they were not picky enough about who their friends were or the people they hanged out with. Or for that matter who they let inside thier house.

-Bill

FedDC
August 17, 2004, 09:16 AM
Is that sort of like the Joke from The Last Boy Scout Movie?

"So, you were walking across the floor, floor was wet, and you just slipped, fell and had sex with my wife?"

Pardon my edit, I had to censor it a bit but the point is the same. People do not "Fall" in with any crowd. People CHOOSE to be with certain people and they CHOOSE to take certain actions. If those actions end up costing them their freedom, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Stickjockey
August 17, 2004, 02:21 PM
The fact remains that the kid is still a suspect. He hasn't been convicted of anything yet, and as such has a right to quality legal help. Your position so far carries definite overtones of "#$%^& it; let him hang, the little b******."

raz-0
August 17, 2004, 04:41 PM
jeez folks, if you don't like the smell of what the kid did, maybe look at it this way. A forum member has family in trouble (not just the kid), he doesn't want to leave them hanging. By givign him a list of lawyers with a shred of moral integrity, if the kid did it, he both keeps from leaving the law abiding members in the cold and at the same time doesn't ahve to feel too bad about possibly getting someone off of charges he feels would be better if they did time for.

So if you can't recommend a lawyer like that, you might want to keep from attacking a forum member who himself didn't do anything other than feel bad about not extending a helping hand to family with a PITA kid.

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