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denfoote
August 16, 2004, 12:15 AM
Yeah, I know all about the rep!!
That's why I'm asking.
I had a chance to handle one of these beasts yesterday and I found the ergonomics to be ...well...very pleasing!! :eek:
What I want to know, has the new improved Smith and Wesson improved the quality of these pistols or are they just the same crappy Sigmas of old!!

Anybody have a new one??
How does it shoot and, most importantly, how's the reliability????

In this case, a non response will speak very loudly!!! :rolleyes:

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sgt127
August 16, 2004, 12:25 AM
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1911Ron
August 16, 2004, 12:47 AM
Nah just get a Millianium pro insted:neener:

Ala Dan
August 16, 2004, 12:59 AM
Greeting's denfoote

My dealer just started a gun sale* that includes NIB Smith
& Wesson models known as the Sigma Military. Its the
polymer frame/stainless slide version available in 9m/m
or .40 S&W for the sale price of $279.99 + sales tax. If
interested please contact me for further details.

* FootNote: Sale positively ends at 1800 hrs on 31 AUG 04.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

denfoote
August 16, 2004, 01:03 AM
Thanks Dan.
I want to know if the quality has improved before I take any plunge!!!

only1asterisk
August 16, 2004, 01:26 AM
I think owning a sigma may be the best cure for wanting one! The cure for owning a sigma is not as easy.


David

denfoote
August 16, 2004, 02:25 AM
Yeah ok.
I expected to get some "IMHO's", but there has to be somebody out there who's got one of these!!

Flashpoint
August 16, 2004, 03:20 AM
A friend of mine had one, after putting a new recoil spring in it he never had a problem. Sold it t a retired officer because it was too big to carry. I didn't like the trigger, but he didn't mind it.

Play with the Steyrs a little. The ergonomics on them are much the same, the trigger is better, and well, there just made better if you ask me.

denfoote
August 16, 2004, 03:54 AM
The problem I have with the Steyrs is the sights!!

Combat-wombat
August 16, 2004, 07:33 AM
Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't the sights be changed out!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!!!!!!!!!























:neener:

outofbattery
August 16, 2004, 10:50 AM
Everyone I know with a VE Sigma is happy with it ; they seem to be much improved over the earlier guns though I have no experience with the first models personally . Our club uses the ported .40 for Basic Practical and it's never had a problem that I recall ; I've run several hundred rounds of Wolf and Blazer cheapie through it without a single stoppage .The thought of buying one has crossed my mind though I've rationalized that I don't _need_ yet another full size auto and I can shoot one any time I want anyway .

cslinger
August 16, 2004, 10:54 AM
Have a neighbor with a Sigma 9mm. Trigger is horrible, I mean almost VP70 horrible and it seems to be very easy to cause a malfunction by limp wristing since he malfs. with it quite a bit and I do not. I suspect this means it is shooter induced.

All that being said it is a pretty accurate little devil if you really pay attention to trigger control and as mentioned the ergo's are great.

For $279 it might be worth trying if you really have the bug but personally.............here it comes.............are you ready..........IMHO :D there are better guns for the money.

Chris

JAREDSHS
August 16, 2004, 11:41 AM
like I tried to tell you on another forum---go to a shop,pick one up,fondle it,unmount the slide from the frame, see how well constructed the gun is. I think you will soon see that alot of the bad rap going around is just that--RAP.
My 40VE is reliable,it is my duty weapon.

Dave Ginn

tc300mag1
August 16, 2004, 01:23 PM
My father's brother's uncle's former roommate had one and they suck so i hear...lol :)

Actually my uncle and cousin have a 9 and 40 and neither have had any problems that were truely the gun and not ammo or the mags the 40 hasnt been shot much but the 9 has a ton..

My opinon from shooting the 9 and 40 is skip the 40 .. the 40 in it is hard to control. The 9 is decent took about 600 rounds to get it wore in was pretty tight. After i think clost to 5k rounds the trigger sucks and i mean sucks.

Its feels like it stacks and has a 100# trigger pull. That is my major complaint with the gun that plus the 100$ std cap mags nice it hold 17 in the mag if you can find a std mag.

Other complaint the 10 rounders in the 40 &9 didnt fuction right they got tossed and we shoot them with the std cap mags only and that cured all the problems the gun had at the start..

Kilroy
August 16, 2004, 02:41 PM
In an academy setting, where they were fired a lot in all kinds of weather, they were truly poor performers.

If they are cheap enough, get two. We had most agencies send two along per each officer, so they could make it through a week of training.

And per the lawsuit settlement, some changes appear to allow the gun to uncock if dropped. Have not seen any fire yet, but they do uncock the mechanism if dropped.

rodjos2
August 16, 2004, 03:36 PM
I recently bought a Sigma VE 9mm and have put 200 rounds of Winchester White Box Ammo through it without a problem. I can't comment too much about it because it is my first handgun and I really don't know the diference between a "good" gun and a "bad" one. The trigger is kind of tough to pull, but I have gotten used to it and find it to not really be a problem. For a new shooter, I think I am pretty accurate with it. I practice at 15 yards and all of the rounds were on the target except for one which was on the paper, but about 2 inches outside of the ring. I paid 279 + tax and it seems to be a good buy so far.

denfoote
August 16, 2004, 05:36 PM
Thanks for the replies!!
What I am trying to do is build a somewhat unscientific statistical base for the reliability.

I can put up with the heavy trigger. I just don't want to get one that has to make a beeline back to the womb!!!!

This also is an investigation that is in it's very early stages. Heck, it took me several years to decide what 1911 to buy!! :rolleyes:

Grump
August 16, 2004, 07:51 PM
I've personally fired one on one occasion last year. It was a 9mm enhanced or whatever.

Almost every other firearm (Bushie AR, K-T carbine, Glock and FN, IIRC) had at least one malf. The Sigma did not. Its trigger pull was almost like a VP-70, way stiff and a bit gritty. But it worked every time. I was ridiculed for reporting it.:neener:

Sample of one, and only about 120 rounds fired that day, so there are some caveats here.

Flashpoint
August 16, 2004, 07:58 PM
The problem I have with the Steyrs is the sights!!

Buy the Steyr

Replace the sites with some nightsites of some sort.

Sell the traps over at the Steyr Club inside Glocktalk. There have been some guys over there that has come up with some pretty good ideas as to how to make some trap nightsites, but they don't have a extra set to play with.

Jason Demond
August 16, 2004, 08:04 PM
My Sigmas have never jammed with any type of factory new ammunition.
The only problem I have ever had, was that the 40VE wouldn't feed 165gr BullX LSWC bullets worth a damn, but it will feed National Bullet CO SWC's all day long.

armoredman
August 16, 2004, 08:05 PM
And whassa matta with a VP70Z trigger? I like those old clunkers - wish I could find one....:cool:

Jason Demond
August 16, 2004, 08:10 PM
I forgot to add, that the new Sigmas are even better than the VE models circa 2000. That's when I bought mine, and I think they are great.

I know the newer guns have a redesigned barrel, because they replaced the barrel on my 40VE. Why they replaced it, I don't know. The original barrel worked just fine.

The 40VE broke a trigger spring at around 9,500 rounds, which I fixed. I just sent it back to be gone over, and have the front sight replaced. The front sight was just the cheap plastic one, and had come loose.
They replaced the Springs, barrel, and put Trijicon night sights on it.

rickster
August 16, 2004, 08:27 PM
I'm in the same class as rodjos2. New to shooting but love my 40VE. Then again I don't have much to compare it to. Never failed to make a loud noise when I pulled the trigger. I do, however, have a good friend who can shoot the b***s off a fly and he was plinking the target at 50 yards with it. My vote is "get it"!

Marcus
August 16, 2004, 10:43 PM
I`m Marcus and I owned a Sigma. :D I had a 40V some years ago and it was a pretty darn good pistol. I put around 4000rds. through it from cheap 3D brand lead reloads to Corbons and it was super reliable. Those cheap reloads were so weak the cases ejected directly under the gun but it still never choked. The trigger wasn`t great but it wasn`t bad either. I noticed that the trigger mechanism parts were all stamped stainless and that the edges were never smoothed out even when they were bearing surfaces! I smoothed them out and polished them a bit without changing their shapes and the trigger improved 100%. People who tried it often remarked that they couldn`t believe it was a Sigma after all the bad stuff they`d heard about them. I carried it and used it as my HD gun for several years. I sold it for 3 reasons. 1) Regular cap mags were really expensive and it bothered me I had to use Clintonized mags. 2) It`s slow fire target accuracy was okay with the right ammo but it wasn`t accurate with all loads. 3) The new (at the time) P-97DC had just come out,I wanted one bad and didn`t have enough money at the time to get one without trading something in. :( The Sigma was a good handling gun,easy to shoot fast and reasonably well. The ergonomics were outstanding. FWIW I have several friends who have them (including the one I used to own) and they`re all happy with them. IMO it`s a darn shame S&W never gave them the same TLC their other handguns get,it`s a good gun that was poorly and inconsistantly executed. Marcus

denfoote
August 17, 2004, 04:41 PM
Ok boys and girls. I think the next step is to rent one.

p8riot
August 17, 2004, 05:43 PM
Sigmas have always had a better grip than Glock

MJRW
August 17, 2004, 06:06 PM
Glocks have always had a better grip than Sigmas.

I had a Sigma. Never again. I wouldn't rely on it to hold paper down.

sigma 40ve
August 18, 2004, 09:21 PM
As you can tell by my name, I own one. I really like it. It is the stainless model. People tend to flame the Sigma. I know you can get a lemon in anything. The only changes I done to mine was to put in a Wolff striker spring and a Hogue Handall grip. Mine has never had a failure of any type. In fact, it is my nightstand pistol, even though I do own several pistols. I have complete faith in it and the 16 Hi Shoks that are in it.

Tecolote
August 19, 2004, 12:12 AM
I like how the Sigma fits my hand but I had terrible experiences with a first generation models. If the newer models are as reliable as the SW third gen autos I might have to give them a new look.

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