Armed Troops Guard Power Trucks


August 18, 2004, 02:02 AM
I just received an email from a friend who lives in the Central Florida area.

He was finally able to get fuel for his vehicle, so he went to a mall in the Orlando area for dinner with his family.

Part of the mall's parking lot was taped-off to provide a staging and storage area for power trucks working to restore electric in the wake of Hurricane Charley.

He observed what appeared to be multiple National Guard troops, armed with M16s, securing this power truck parking area.

:eek: :uhoh: :eek:

Interesting -- not quite what you would expect to see at your local mega-mall.

To all THR members in the areas affected by Hurricane Charley -- STAY SAFE.

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August 18, 2004, 02:41 AM
Was watching CNN and they showed the FL guard patroling Punta Gorda in combat gear with firearms. They just got back from Iraq too, and it was interesting the group they interviewed was charlie company.

August 18, 2004, 06:11 AM
The sheeple tend to fear even the national guard in times of crisis.

The folks that HAVE a rifle in their hurricane survival kit walk by and go "see that son? You can have one of those if you get $15,000 and approval from the ATF with your $200 tax stamp!".

The folks that dont get pushed around and looted and tend to shield their children from the big black evil assault rifle.

August 18, 2004, 06:40 AM
Interesting-I went to Xenia, Ohio after the 1974 tornadoes while on active duty, and I was warmly welcomed by just about everyone, except for a few looters....just like cockroaches, and wished they would have let us shoot them.

August 18, 2004, 08:57 AM
Power generating facilities, either mobile or fixed, would be considered a prime guarded location in any CD or natural disaster scenario, along with other municipal facilities. Why do you think we've been guarding nuke plants with NG Soldiers for the last 3 years?

August 18, 2004, 09:08 AM
Betcha they don't have any ammo...


August 18, 2004, 09:13 AM
Betcha they don't have any ammo... Betcha the smart ones brought their own. ;)

August 18, 2004, 10:46 AM
Perhaps I should let my son - in the MN Nat'l Guard - 'borrow' a few of my loaded 30-round mags. Just in case, you know...


August 18, 2004, 11:11 AM
Those guys rarely get ammo and if they do it is like 5 rounds that can not be loaded in the weapon. Many of the gate guards at active bases are not allowed to load their weapons and if they are may only have 10 to 15 rounds. I have a buddy that just got out of the army as an MP and he told me that when he would patrol, he was given two mags for his Beretta with 10 rounds each and could not load the pistol until he needed to fire it...

August 18, 2004, 11:25 AM
Betcha they don't have any ammo...

Any bad guys who believe this rumor in Massachusetts will live about as long as it takes to rack a slide/charging handle.

August 18, 2004, 05:22 PM
Dunno - I was stationed in Diego Garcia when i was in the Navy - a Marine friend of mine was shipped off to okinawa for a psych eval - it seems the CO of the Marine Detachment felt threatened by my buddy and didn't like the fact that (according to my friend) he was the only one w/ a cocked locked and ready to rock sidearm when on duty.

Sounds like SOP was to have them unloaded? Doesn't make any sense to me - but who am I?


August 18, 2004, 05:27 PM
Depends on your commanding officer. Some local NG units give out ammo like candy. :)

August 18, 2004, 09:13 PM
Giving out ammo like candy?? Where do I sign up to be a NCO in NG unit! :neener:

I mean come-on if they need their gun, and it isnt loaded might as well put a sign on their chest that says "SHOOT ME I DO NOT HAVE A LOADED GUN"

August 18, 2004, 09:42 PM
The Marine guards in Beirut were not given ammo. Hence, they could use nothing but harsh language to stop the truck bomb that ended up killing a lot of Marines, plus a handful of AF and Army personnel.

If you're caught with ammo when you're not supposed to have it, big problems. Just don't get caught. :evil:

August 18, 2004, 09:48 PM
I've read that the sailors guarding the rail on the Cole had no ammo.

August 18, 2004, 09:54 PM
The tools inside the vehicles would probably be worth a pretty penny at pawnshops, and any generators would be worth their weight in gold to home-owners without power.


August 18, 2004, 10:53 PM
Actually, the Marines in Beirut did have ammo; they weren't allowed to load their weapons. From a practical standpoint, no difference.

August 18, 2004, 11:57 PM
When they grounded the airliners after the 9/11 attacks three large jets landed at the airport here in my small hometown.
The National Guard was called out to provide security, they didn't have enough ammo for everyone to carry a full mag.
The local FBI agent showed up with ammo but the Guard fellows were not allowed to load it in their magazines. All he had were hollow points. :scrutiny:

Jim K
August 19, 2004, 12:07 AM
I was at a fairly sensitive place in Germany at the time the Baader-Meinhof gang was blowing things up. The gate guard not only had to stay inside a lighted guard shack (talk about targets!) but was given three rounds of ammo and told not to fire without calling and getting permission from the duty officer! I couldn't believe it. Sure made this OFC (old fat civilian) feel a lot more secure. Luckily, the B-M folks bypassed the important places and blew up the officer's club.

The German cops, on the other hand, were not fooling. Their roadblocks consisted of a cop to go up to the car, another on the other side for backup, and a third cop with an MG1 off the road a bit. And, yes, it had a full belt of AP in it.


August 19, 2004, 03:03 PM
Sort of reminds me during the highth of the Vietnam war, I used to occasionaly guard at night the Fort Knox airport and tank parks. Many millions of dollars of aircraft, helicopters, tanks, etc.

I was issued an M14 and seven rounds of ammo, which could not be loaded in the rifle. That was it. My driver had no weapon at all.

When I guarded the motor pool or Commo school, I was issued a scrawny nightstick.

Does any of the above make sense?

August 19, 2004, 04:13 PM
Ridiculous to have troops unarmed like this....

August 20, 2004, 06:39 PM
Anytime large amounts of money is involved the ammo gets issued. When I was pay officer in Germany I got a full magazine for my.45 and the guard got one for his M16.

I usually picked up $25,000. This was in the early 80s. Now, direct deposit takes the place of pay officer duty.

M2 Carbine
August 20, 2004, 07:11 PM
I was a Warrant Officer helicopter pilot in the Maryland Guard during the mid 60's riots.

I was told I was needed as a Platoon Leader.
I said great, can I carry my own 45 and ammo or do I have to check out a 45 and ammo.
They said check out a 45 but no ammo, no one will have ammo.

I said that's horse ****. I'm not sending any of these guys into a riot with unloaded Carbines and M1's. I've got a LOT of 30.06 and Carbine at the house.

It was decided I wasn't needed as a Platoon Leader.

They wouldn't even let me fly over the rioters. Afraid something heavy might fall from the chopper.;)

Two of my brothers were caught in the riots with unloaded Carbines.
VERY lucky they didn't get hurt.
I told them the next time they go out with empty rifles I would kick their butts.

My police friends told me they had to carry their 38's empty.:what:

August 20, 2004, 09:39 PM
I just confirmed with a friend of mine that was over in Punta Gorda with the Florida NG that they were issued ammo but not loaded up.

Sad really....


August 21, 2004, 05:59 AM
All those empty weapons... This is where Hollywood picked up the strange habit of raking the slide to make a point in the middle of an investigation. The movies are actually accurate. Those weapons are empty and need loading and raking.

who'd thought it?:neener:

August 21, 2004, 01:59 PM
I think they were guarding the gasoline in the trucks.

August 21, 2004, 02:04 PM
ROFLMAO - accurate movies - yer right... i'd have never thought of having a weapon in hand, in a situation that might call for use, that WASN"T loaded.

Always did wonder why they raked the slides every time they felt the need to shoot =)


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