Im Very PO'd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


August 18, 2004, 02:59 AM
My 75 year old Dad showed up this evening. The Hi Standard Supermatic Citation that he sent from himslef to himself via Fed Ex, overnight, showed up too...with the packeage opened and resealed and the barrel and magazine missing... (dad had taken it apart and wrapped it up)...

I smell a thief....

Anybody remmeber if the serial numbers are on the barrel too??

Im really:fire: :cuss:

Yeah sure its insured, but this is BS...

I ship hundreds of packages a month with no this....


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Kenneth Lew
August 18, 2004, 03:11 AM
Was that noted with the FedEx driver?

August 18, 2004, 03:18 AM
Nope but I dont worry about that...the driver is a freeind of mine (except on Mondays when he picks up 40 packages then he hates me)..

The discovery wasnt made till dad got in this evening..he had taken the barrel off so it fit in the box..when he opened the box the slide was off the gun (it was on when he wrapped it) and the barrel was gone...the box had been retaped with a different colour tape....

Ill get the $$ out of them, but it aint the I got to find another (it was only insured for $500...) its got some sentimental value


August 18, 2004, 04:07 AM
Anyone who's worked fedex or ups will tell you that they can and will do this and get away with it, but they prefer to hit things like boxes of 150 gameboys.


August 18, 2004, 10:11 AM
I remember a couple years back when UPS stated they would stop shipping handguns. Their reason wasn't that they were Anti-Gun...oh no.

It was because their employees had a stealing problem! Thier words...I have the article saved somewhere.

Ever since then, I avoid using UPS when I can. I mean, if their employees steal, then I won't use them. I've been paying extra for either FedEx or USPS ever since.

I've been afraid to ship a gun anywhere, afraid that it would be stolen or 'lost'. Fortunately, I haven't needed to ship a gun, but I have skipped getting some gunsmithing done...


August 18, 2004, 10:20 AM
I wonder why someone wouldn't just take the whole gun?Is it possible that they're shipping the barrel separate??I have no expierence w/ shipping guns so it's just a guess....I did ship a folding stock once through Mail boxex problems.
If some a-hole did steal it,I doubt you can ever find DOES suck:cuss:

August 18, 2004, 10:23 AM
What the heck would someone want with just the barrel? Why not take the whole gun? That just plain sucks. :fire: :cuss: :fire:

August 18, 2004, 10:41 AM
A couple of years ago I bought some aluminum hard cases for rifles from Sportsmans Guide. One of them disappeared at the Sacramento UPS center. I suspect someone there thought he was going to get a nice rifle out of it.

I was tracking the shipments and identified the method the UPS crooks use to steal. In this case the UPS tracking information said the original tracking number was unscannable and a new number was assigned. After that the shipment disappeared.


R.H. Lee
August 18, 2004, 10:58 AM
Let us know how it plays out.

August 18, 2004, 11:29 AM
I'm familiar with the industry.

Here is what happened:

The box containing your firearm was damaged in handling or on one of the pieces of machinery that handle the large volume of packages.

The barrel and magazine fell out of the box at some point.

Employees are directed to identify damaged boxes and try to recover, replace contents and reseal.

If you contact the Fedex facilty they may find your gun parts in the overgoods locker .

hope this helps

August 18, 2004, 12:07 PM
That makes sense. I hope they find his parts.

J Miller
August 18, 2004, 01:41 PM
I've worked in the air freight industry too.

Here is how it really works. At one of the sorting stations some muscle bound ape grabbed the box and flung it towards the route truck it should have gone on.
On impact the box was damaged and probably broke open and the contents were exposed.

The muscle bound ape and his buds got together and finished opening it up
to see what was inside. One of them said: Hey, I need a barrel and mag for my gun. So he took it. They taped the box up and sent it on it's way.

That weekend the guy took all his buds out shooting his gun with the new barrel and magazine.

That's how it works.


August 18, 2004, 01:46 PM
It's quite the odds that the random muscle bound ape has Hi Standard Supermatic Citation isn't it ?

August 18, 2004, 01:51 PM
Have you reported it to ATF (or whatever it calls itself these days). From what I've been reading, under the current administration, they have been more interested in nailing gun toting criminals that in busting honest dealers. And this sure sounds like a gun crime to me.

August 18, 2004, 02:15 PM

I have reported it to Fed Ex and the gal in Memphis has been real helpful z(in fac they are checking the warehouse)..

I called thew shipper in NJ, Kinkos in Paramus...I spoke to themanager, Bob. I told hm what the problem was. He was rude and basically told me that you cant ship guns with Fed Ex, so tough luck. When I told this to the Fed Ex gal in Memphis, she was very apologetic and passed it on to customer service. Im also emailing my rep, we guive fed ex 50 grand a year lets see...

My goal for this month will be to make sure he loses his job.


Standing Wolf
August 18, 2004, 03:26 PM
To the best of my knowledge, High Standard barrels were never serial-numbered, although both frames and slides were.

My sympathies to your father!

August 18, 2004, 03:33 PM
OMG Wild - i'd LOVE to see the thread detailing your stated goal. If there is something i dislike more than rude customer service people - its rude and UNINFORMED customer service people.



R.H. Lee
August 18, 2004, 03:37 PM
My goal for this month will be to make sure he loses his job.

Let us know how it plays out. If you're successful, please post a step by step "How-to. WildAlaska'sguidetodon'tgetmadgeteven."

August 18, 2004, 03:41 PM
Kinkos in Paramus He was rude and basically told me that you cant ship guns with Fed Ex, so tough luck. He's probably right in his own little universe in paramus, Wild: around here, you have to use the main shipping centers for either UPS or FedEx if you're shipping a firearm. The little Mom-N-Pop outfits won't accept them.

Regrets to your dad.

TFL Survivor

August 18, 2004, 11:00 PM
I just checked mine and no serial number is on the barrel.

August 18, 2004, 11:27 PM
Ken .. I can all but share your angst ...... this sorta thing sux .. bigtime. I hope, seeing as you have to be one of their top custonmers - you do get satisfaction in the end ..... meantime ........................



Afterthought .... set SWMBO on em'!!! :D :D

Jim K
August 18, 2004, 11:52 PM
I have a hard time imagining Fed Ex folks who just happen to need that particular barrel and magazine.

I think the explanation is probably simpler and less sinister. Some "muscle bound ape" probably did throw the box. When it landed, the barrel, being heavy, obeyed Mr. Newton, punched out the end of the box and was lost. At some other time, maybe with the help of another "MBA", the magazine found the same hole and dropped out. When the hole was discovered, some helpful Fed Ex employee taped it shut to keep anything else from coming out.

I hate to say this, but it sounds to me like a poor packaging job, or maybe a good packaging job by someone who does not know about those muscular folks.


August 19, 2004, 03:43 AM
As a former FedEx package handler, I'd say that jsalcedo and Jim Keenan are most probably correct.

Now, on to my rant.
<rant mode on>
Just as all gun-owners are not the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging redneck hicks that Sarah Brady and her ilk portray us to be, not all (in fact few) FedEx/UPS package handlers are illiterate, muscle bound apes. Quite a number of them are actually college students who work there because it pays well and the hours don't conflict with most college classes. So, since I doubt you like to be called a mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging redneck, hick gun-owner, please refrain from generalizing and calling people who work menial jobs as muscle bound apes.

For the record, I'm 5'8", 185 lbs., and could never be refered to as muscle-bound or as an ape.

<rant mode off>

WA, I hope it all works out for your dad.


August 19, 2004, 04:30 AM
Jim, I know a young man who works for a shipping company (he's neither muscle bound nor an ape though) who has told me with a straight face that some people in the shipping business try to break things, apparently in some instances even using the 'fragile' markings as a guide of which packages to throw.

Consequently anything I ship is packaged with exactly that scenario in mind.

August 19, 2004, 10:54 AM
My cousin worked for UPS in Las Vegas, and told me about how packages marked "fragile" were treated more roughly than regular packages, how smaller packages were treated as footballs, and thrown across the warehouse, including the occasional spike in the endzone, and how boxed were whipped across the floor like an olympic curling event. He didn't stay long, because it disgusted him to see the blatant disregard and total lack of respect that these workers had for the packages they were entrusted with. It was all a big joke to them.

August 19, 2004, 02:13 PM
You guys are probably close, but here's a more likely situation from a former loss prevention guy at ups:

small boxes come in....nightcrew monkeys shake boxes looking for jewelry....see on label metal something or orther.....bust package gold? chuck box back in zipper small sort bag opened....bag gets dumped later fall on belt and are dumped or get piledup in overgoods where junk gets sold by the pallet if not claimed...

if you really want to have something stolen there drop it off Friday before closing & declare it as a high value or pharmacuticals. When guns are stolen the ATF gets involved and they do investigate cause many of the workers are below21 or are felons. they use metal detectors before you can leave the site so most metal objects stolen have a driver involved in the theft.

August 19, 2004, 06:34 PM
Hello Wildalaska.
Sorry to hear about the theft. I hate that the shippers,U.P.S. and the rest of em does not want to police their employees about stealing. Instead thay make us pay for over night freight.

How ever now looking in hindsight, Would it not been better to bring the gun to a dealer in N.J. and have him put it in his books and ship to a dealer near you in AK. and go to that dealer to pick it up???????????

Yeah, I know it cost a few bucks to pay the dealer to do the transfer. But you could have the gun insured for full value and probably not have messed up dads vacation.

Sure sounds cheaper then replacing a barrel though !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some High Standards {depending on the model} are worth quite a few bucks.

Got to be careful if you go cheap.
Just my opinion! Good luck. I hope it works out for you.

August 19, 2004, 07:29 PM
This thread suggests the question as to whether it would be cost effective for the shipping companies to raise their wages, training and supervision to the point that the loss of a job for malfeasance would actually pose both a real risk, and a real loss to the employee.

You'd have to figure it would dramatically cut the insurance claims, and it probably wouldn't hurt their image with their customers either.

August 19, 2004, 07:33 PM
there still is the problem of the fedex employees going through packages and stealing. the only difference is that the gun dealer in NJ would probably charge the sender a fee.

its gonna happen anywhere. my brother is a driver for fedex ground, and there is no real recourse if a driver were to intercept packages and steal. theres like a $500 fine, but thats only if the sender/recipient report the package as missing.

August 19, 2004, 10:09 PM
I called thew shipper in NJ, Kinkos in Paramus

I grew up right next to Paramus. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you that you encountered a rude jackass in Paramus, NJ. Well, no, come to think of it, I'm not.

August 23, 2004, 02:18 AM
uPDATE...HAD the secutiry guys come buy on Friday...they took the box and a cc of paperwork, took photos of the gun and are trying to trace the tape that the box was repackaged with..

Other than that I will say nothing more until I talk to them again on Monday..

I made dad happy though...took him to the range gave him my M1 carbine and 100 roundsa and let him go to town. He can still hit the bullseye..

As he said...the last ime I shot an M1 carbine was when I shot a guy with one in 1967 when I was on patrol in Newark during the riots...


August 23, 2004, 02:47 AM
What the heck would someone want with just the barrel? Why not take the whole gun? An anti trying to "make the world safer" by disabling one gun and "taking it off the street" without actually taking (illegal) possession of the firearm?

2nd Amendment
August 23, 2004, 03:46 AM
My brother worked at the Terre Haute airport(Hulman Field?) a few years back. He also said that a fair part of every night's festivities was seeing just what they could break. The rest was spent betting on what part would fall off what decrepit cargo plane...

August 23, 2004, 04:20 AM
This sounds like a good cause for the Brady bunch. Let them know that guns are flooding the streets from employee theft from freight services.

Let them fight for us instead against us. :evil:

cracked butt
August 23, 2004, 05:05 AM
This sounds like a good cause for the Brady bunch. Let them know that guns are flooding the streets from employee theft from freight services.

You would have to assume that the organization was filled with rational human beings. More likely they would fight to ban shipping of firearms altogether.:barf:

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